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beerlover 12-03-2004 08:54 PM

Heisman Award Winner
 
Who will win the Heisman?
&
Who should win the Heisman?

Matt Leinart QB Southern Cal will win the Heisman, thanks to being on the #1 team with Reggie Bush as a weapon. Very similar to Carson Palmer & I guess thats what attracts young recruits to these big high profile programs.

Alex Smith should win the Heisman, he's managed to get his boss promoted (Urban Meyer) finished his bachelors degree as a 20-year-old sophomore, now working on completing his Masters Alex has led his team to a perfect season plus a probable BCS bowl bid. Not bad, but will it be enough to sway voters over made for the NFL Leinart?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/colle...ll/heisman.htm

Reddevil63 12-03-2004 09:09 PM

Who will? Leinart

Who should? Cedric Benson or Alex Smith

MarleyFan 12-03-2004 10:45 PM

I thought Adrian Peterson was an easy pick, but all I hear is Leinart.

beerlover 12-03-2004 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarleyFan
I thought Adrian Peterson was an easy pick, but all I hear is Leinart.

that would be a should in your case :rofl:

Adrian Peterson is an awesome prospect but his disadvantage of being a true freshman, on the same team with last years Heisman Trophy winner Jason White along with the fact Oklahoma is not the clear cut #1 team in the country (USC) conspires against him.

Reddevil63 12-03-2004 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarleyFan
I thought Adrian Peterson was an easy pick, but all I hear is Leinart.

YPG is still below Cedric Benson and OU without Peterson would still be undefeated. Can you imagine UT without Benson???

Huge 12-04-2004 09:16 AM

Lienart will win it.

Benson should win it.

For those that feel Peterson deserves it over Benson...

Peterson - 286 carries, 1,671 yards (5.8 abg), 12 TDs, 3 catches, 6 yards
Benson - 303 carries, 1,764 yards (5.8 avg), 19 TDs, 22 catches, 179 yards, 1 TD

Now factor in which player had the better passing game to help take some pressure off then tell me which player deserves it more.

WWJD 12-04-2004 09:32 AM

Speaking as a Longhorn homer I'd love to see Cedric win it.. I don't think it will happen though.

I'm sort of wondering why Jason White isn't mentioned more. He's lead the Sooners to all wins this year, he's been steady as far as I know and I think he's just as good as the USC guy. And I despise OU but in fairness the guy has been rock solid this year.

texasguy346 12-04-2004 09:45 AM

I think White and Peterson are at a disadvantage because they're teamates, and they'll likely lose some votes because they didn't lead their teams to 11-0 by themselves. They relied upon one another, and although that may be true of every canidate it's not blatantly obvious on every Heisman ballot. I think Alex Smith SHOULD win the Heisman, but I think that Leinhart WILL win the Heisman.

TEXANS84 12-04-2004 10:37 AM

Peterson or Benson should not win it....Alex Smith is true deserving of the award. But it is somewhat of a lock that Leinart will win it...with the LA press and all.

LiveForTheGame 12-04-2004 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huge
Lienart will win it.

Benson should win it.

For those that feel Peterson deserves it over Benson...

Peterson - 286 carries, 1,671 yards (5.8 abg), 12 TDs, 3 catches, 6 yards
Benson - 303 carries, 1,764 yards (5.8 avg), 19 TDs, 22 catches, 179 yards, 1 TD

Now factor in which player had the better passing game to help take some pressure off then tell me which player deserves it more.

Don't get me wrong because I'm a Cedric Benson and UT fan, but what Cedric has done is all while being a senior. Peterson is a true freshman running the ball just as well. Also, OU doesn't use their runningbacks as receivers as much as Texas does, and Peterson split time early on in the season. All I'm saying is there is an arguement either way.

This year is difficult because there are a lot of players that have had strong season and multiple players that have had very impressive seasons.

I don't know who will win it and I don't know who should win it, but I'm anxious to see who does.

Huge 12-04-2004 07:24 PM

So Cedric should be punished because he's an upperclassman? And you can't use the argument that Peterson split carries because there were a couple of games in which Cedric didn't see the 4th qtr. Heck, against North Texas he saw one drive in the 2nd half and was done for the night.

And OU does use their RBs in the passing game. See Kejuan Jones' 17 catches, JD Runnels' 13 catches. DJ Wolfe (their other true freshman RB) caught as many passes as Peterson. And you can imagine how many fewer snaps he saw.

I've maintained all along that Peterson is the better talent. But he has not been a better RB than Benson this year. OU w/o Peterson might have 1 loss. Texas w/o Benson has 3 losses...easily.

I also find it funny that so many media type are quick to point out Benson's performance (125 total yards, 0 TDs) against OU and use that as justification for not giving him their vote. It doesn't matter that Jason White had 3 turnovers that game, less than 120 yards passing as well as 0 TDs, he's still a candidate. So why is Benson being held to a higher standard?

How many TDs did Leinart produce today against UCLA? Think this game hurt his chances like they say the OU game hurt Benson's?

Nawzer 12-04-2004 07:28 PM

Who will win: Matt Leinart.

Who should win: Jason White.

dan7 12-04-2004 08:53 PM

Who will win: Matt Leinart

Who should win: Cedric Benson

Lucky 12-04-2004 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huge
So why is Benson being held to a higher standard?

Because his team was shutout and he's lost 4 straight to the Sooners. To the victor go the spoils.

Jonathan_Vilma 12-04-2004 09:47 PM

I originally thought that it would be Peterson to win the Heisman mainly because the way the kid plays the game and lights up teams. But I also don't really follow college football other than players the jets should draft.

beerlover 12-04-2004 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonathan_Vilma
I originally thought that it would be Peterson to win the Heisman mainly because the way the kid plays the game and lights up teams. But I also don't really follow college football other than players the jets should draft.

this is off subject but for years those of us who follow the draft get a kick out of Jet Fan at these funtions, I mean you guys are hilarious. I love all the enthusiasm & passion, the moaning & groaning really classic stuff. So have the Jets ever drafted a Heisman winner? Oh well I guess either too good or too smart. Look forward to the game in a few hours, you can assess your draft picks then against ours :whoohoo:

regarding Heisman today, I think we saw some great performances, just not from the front runners, so its unlikely things will change. There seems to be more really great running backs this year than I can remember in some time which may affectivly cancel each other out. I mean look at today alone how do you chose, you've got J.J. Arrington rushing for 254 yds on 31 carries, Reggie Bush rushed for 204 yds on 15 carries & Adrien Peterson 171 yards on 28 attempts. It seems more confusing after this weekend than ever to determine who should win the Heisman.

LiveForTheGame 12-05-2004 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huge
So Cedric should be punished because he's an upperclassman? And you can't use the argument that Peterson split carries because there were a couple of games in which Cedric didn't see the 4th qtr. Heck, against North Texas he saw one drive in the 2nd half and was done for the night.

And OU does use their RBs in the passing game. See Kejuan Jones' 17 catches, JD Runnels' 13 catches. DJ Wolfe (their other true freshman RB) caught as many passes as Peterson. And you can imagine how many fewer snaps he saw.

I've maintained all along that Peterson is the better talent. But he has not been a better RB than Benson this year. OU w/o Peterson might have 1 loss. Texas w/o Benson has 3 losses...easily.

I also find it funny that so many media type are quick to point out Benson's performance (125 total yards, 0 TDs) against OU and use that as justification for not giving him their vote. It doesn't matter that Jason White had 3 turnovers that game, less than 120 yards passing as well as 0 TDs, he's still a candidate. So why is Benson being held to a higher standard?

How many TDs did Leinart produce today against UCLA? Think this game hurt his chances like they say the OU game hurt Benson's?

I agree. Cedric Benson is definitely more valuable to his team than Peterson. UT wouldn't be battling for a bowl spot without him. However, that just maintains my point about the man taking the snaps not being any good at QB because without Peterson OU is still top 10 with Jason White. If the voting was for the player most valuable to his team Benson should win no doubt, but it's for the best player in the game. I think that's why it's so difficult to decide because they're on different teams in different situations.

BuffSoldier 12-05-2004 05:46 PM

Leinart will
Benson should

What I dont understand is how the experts could simply over-look Benson, just because they lost one game doesnt take anything away from his stellar year. If Benson played with a J.White or a M. Leinart he would probably be a 2000 yard rusher this year.

Huge 12-05-2004 10:27 PM

Adrian Peterson - 1,843 ... 15 TDs
Cedric Benson - 1,764 ... 19 TDs
Michael Hart - 1,372 ... 9 TDs

Yeah, I can really see how Hart's getting the shaft. Thanks for adding so much to the conversation. :rolleyes:

MikeMc 12-08-2004 07:24 PM

Since we are on RBs:

Benson..no, not even the best player on his team...that would be DJ!

Peterson has solid numbersdespite the fact that OU spreads the ball....Benson is the main focus of UT....don't even mention VYoung!

JJ Arrington is my candidate (RB that is). 1845 yrds, 7.0 avg, 14 TDs..played big in big games, most consistent (11 straight 100 yrd games, 7 - 150+ yrd games, scored in 9 of 11 games (3 multiple TD games). On a top team, in a top division. Carried team when star QB struggled.

It all depends on the criteria you set. Is it the QB of the top team? Best player overall (no matter position, class, or team/conference)?

I would love to see both pairs from USC & OU split the votes, and Alex Smith win it. That guy IS the reason Utah is where they are, not so much the coach as it is the player executing the plays.

Look at Alex Smith's numbers:

Passing:
2624 yrds,
66% comp
28 TD
4 Int
174.9 rating

Rushing:
120- 563 yrds (4.7 avg)
10 TDs

Team is 11-0 ranked in top 10 (BCS & Polls).

To me, he is the best player, hands down.

As for the West Coast media...come on, everyone knows that the voting lies with the East Coast!


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