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jr0ck 11-22-2004 03:53 PM

anyone else surprised...?
 
i know it's pointless to point out one play that won or lost a game. and although the biggest dissapointment of the game (IMO) wasn't the reason we lost, it just felt like a sucker punch to the gut. ok here's the situation:

its our last offensive series, and on first down carr makes a great off balance/getting hit/side arm throw to DD to pick up 7 yards. very "favre" like if you will. 2nd and 3, carr and bradford have a misscommunication. bradford runs a stop route (which would get the first) and carr goes for the homerun. not ideal by anymeans, but gotta like the playcalling either way. so here we go, big 3rd down conversion coming up and although it's a long 3 yards, its definately not "unattainable". ball snapped, carr gets flushed out of the pocket, where alot of us think he's at his best, and he's getting run down by grady jackson. he looks for a second like he's going to turn the corner and then guns it out of bounds pretty far away from DD who fell down. WHY DIDN'T CARR RUN FOR THE FIRST!?!?! we all know he can scoot and 3 yds isn't asking too much i don't think.....and then brett favre does his best brett favre imitation and beats us in the last seconds. carr had to have known that was his proverbial "shot" at winning the game, i was just really dissapointed in his execution and it seemed out of character from what we have come to expect from david. judging by the look on carr's face at the end of the game, something along the lines of how i feel were running through his mind, and hopefully he'll get older and wiser. i just wanted so badly for carr to shine on the national stage and the texans to win. and the last offensive series just left me feeling empty. thoughts anyone?

dwilt72 11-22-2004 03:58 PM

Didn't look to me like he could have turned the corner, but maybe I'm wrong.

wags 11-22-2004 04:00 PM

My thoughts are that it never should have come down to the last series. Pivotal series was when we had the ball on the GB 34 with a 13-3 lead, and we proceeded to go 20 yards backwards. Incompletion, -9 yards on the reverse, then a sack. :bag:

shinerbock_girl 11-22-2004 04:02 PM

The reason iam taking this loss so hard is because it is a game that SHOULD have been won....Now i really dread the Titans since we're planning on running the ball again....GEEZZZZZ

jr0ck 11-22-2004 04:18 PM

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Didn't look to me like he could have turned the corner, but maybe I'm wrong
maybe not turned upfield in stride but maybe stretching for it with a dive out of bounds. and even if it was 4th and short, thats at least another shot at keeping the drive alive. not that your wrong, it just seemed like carr's choice of action didn't coincide with putting "it" on the line to win.

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My thoughts are that it never should have come down to the last series. Pivotal series was when we had the ball on the GB 34 with a 13-3 lead, and we proceeded to go 20 yards backwards. Incompletion, -9 yards on the reverse, then a sack.
agreed shouldn't have come down to the last series either, but it did and we controlled our own destiny....and lost. thats why i mentioned above the last drive wasn't the sole reason for the loss, but it was by then that my wind had been knocked out of me.

[rant] just a side note, and this isn't directed at anyone on this thread, just choosing to vent here about the predominat view held by this board. regardless of the playcalling, players need to execute!! palmer/capers didn't tell the o-line "let the linebackers get over the top to minimize DD's gains" or "get whupped by KGB and give up a sack". that's the funny thing about football, you can call any kind of game you want and win if the players execute. yes you can get into the semantics of "putting the players in the best postion to succeed" etc, etc. BUT the players have to execute regardless and when they're not doing that it's hard to judge the way a game is called. yes this arguement has plenty of holes, and the game itself has WAY to many variables to make this even close to being entirely true. BUT i hate when people try find scapegoats for situations that have way more than two or three things factoring into them as it doesn't contribute into improving the situation. [/rant]

Porky 11-22-2004 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jr0ck

[rant] just a side note, and this isn't directed at anyone on this thread, just choosing to vent here about the predominat view held by this board. regardless of the playcalling, players need to execute!! palmer/capers didn't tell the o-line "let the linebackers get over the top to minimize DD's gains" or "get whupped by KGB and give up a sack". that's the funny thing about football, you can call any kind of game you want and win if the players execute. yes you can get into the semantics of "putting the players in the best postion to succeed" etc, etc. BUT the players have to execute regardless and when they're not doing that it's hard to judge the way a game is called. yes this arguement has plenty of holes, and the game itself has WAY to many variables to make this even close to being entirely true. BUT i hate when people try find scapegoats for situations that have way more than two or three things factoring into them as it doesn't contribute into improving the situation. [/rant]

Well said. There is plenty of blame to go around. The coaches were outcoached, but the offense scored zero points in the second half, and didn't sustain any drives. The defense had no pass rush, and couldn't stop Favre when the chips were down.

Texan Gal 312 11-22-2004 04:55 PM

From my birds eye view in 634 (play was coming directly towards us) I didn't think Carr had any chance of running for the first down.

edo783 11-22-2004 04:55 PM

True that the "O" didn't light the place up in the second half. However, the players have to be given plays that have some semblence of a chance to work. We all need to remember that the guys on the otherside are pros also and well payed. If we run plays that are pedistrian and predictable, other pros will make us look ineffective. It is interesting that we have the 25th ranked RB and chose to use him a lot and that we have the #3 reciever and the #6 QB and don't make as effective use of them. We seem to be backasswards in our play selection. We try to make the run work to make the pass work instead of the other way around. In the first half we had GB a bit back on their heels and in the second half we turned turtle and became VERY predictable.

jr0ck 11-22-2004 07:35 PM

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However, the players have to be given plays that have some semblence of a chance to work.
so an off-tackle (or whatever the denver zone scheme calls it's version) doesn't give all the offensive players a responsibility? so that's why there was no "semblence" of running the ball effectively.....if the o-line got some push and even said hello to the linebackers at the second level, i don't see how the texans run game, with all it's versatility, wouldn't be more effective. bottom line = player's have to execute

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From my birds eye view in 634 (play was coming directly towards us) I didn't think Carr had any chance of running for the first down.
makes me feel a little better.....but it still looked like running had more potential to keep the drive alive than throwing out of bounds....just didn't look like carr's actions fit the situation.


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