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Jagsbch 10-29-2004 09:15 PM

Jimmy or Andre
 
Jimmy Smith or Andre Johnson? Who is going to have the best season?

Andre 2003 16 66/976 14.8 46 4
Jimmy 2003 12 54/805 14.9 4
Andre 2004 6 33/591 17.9 54 4
Jimmy 2004 7 33/586 17.8 65 2


I'll think the Ol man will have a better season, and a better game tomorrow. :popcorn:

texan279 10-29-2004 09:23 PM

Don't forget Jimmy Smith has played in one more game this year and Johnson still has better stats. And the game is not tomorrow, it's on SUNDAY.

Jagsbch 10-29-2004 09:55 PM

Byron throws to more receivers than Carr thats why Jimmy has the same amount of receptions as Andre, even though he has had more games. Jags still don't have a legit #2 guy at this point so if anything that just makes Jimmy's stats that much more impressive. :cool:

TexansTrueFan 10-29-2004 10:00 PM

You must not of watched any of our games, cause if so youd see that carr dows spread the ball around quite a bit. And johnnson has those great numbers because he is just that good He will finish with better stats than jimmy even though both should have great years !

texan279 10-29-2004 10:18 PM

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Byron throws to more receivers than Carr thats why Jimmy has the same amount of receptions as Andre, even though he has had more games. Jags still don't have a legit #2 guy at this point so if anything that just makes Jimmy's stats that much more impressive.
That makes no sense, Byron throws to more receivers yet the Jags do not have a legit #2 guy? If the Jags do not have a legit #2 it seems to me that Byron would throw to him more instead of throwing to the #3 or lower WR. Carr has 4 legit threats at WR and all of our WR's have 200+ yards total so far this season.

TexanExile 10-29-2004 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by texan279
Carr has 4 legit threats at WR and all of our WR's have 200+ yards total so far this season.

And I think we're the only team in the NFL that can say that, right? It's pretty remarkable, only 6 games in.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS 10-30-2004 12:00 AM

AJ will have about 300 more yards receiving than Jimmy Smith by the end of the season. Rack it!

texan279 10-30-2004 12:02 AM

Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, I wonder who voted for Jimmy Smith? :BananaWav

texasguy346 10-30-2004 12:06 AM

AJ will definately have better stats than Smith at seasons end. Maybe if you combined Smith and Wilfords #'s at seasons end then you'd have a legitimate question.

rittenhouserobz 10-30-2004 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Jagsbch
Byron throws to more receivers than Carr thats why Jimmy has the same amount of receptions as Andre, even though he has had more games. Jags still don't have a legit #2 guy at this point so if anything that just makes Jimmy's stats that much more impressive. :cool:

I have watched every Texans game. The top 4 WR in the Texans offense could start on many teams. AJ is a #1 WR, Gaffney and Armstrong are #2 WR's. The only borderline #2 might be Bradford. IMHO. AJ will get more yards and TDs.

Jagsbch 10-30-2004 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by texan279
That makes no sense, Byron throws to more receivers yet the Jags do not have a legit #2 guy? If the Jags do not have a legit #2 it seems to me that Byron would throw to him more instead of throwing to the #3 or lower WR.

Here's how it works, most DC's double Jimmy virtually the whole game, thats pretty much been the story ever since Keenan left. They leave the rest of the pack of nobodies that Byron has to throw to one on one or in zone coverage. Byron is hitting 9-10 receivers a week.

Now that the players are getting dialed into the system Byron is able to utilize more of Bill Musgraves ingenious offense, as players are actually where they are supposed to be. This means Jimmy might see more single coverage in the future, as Byron is proving that all he needs is a body to throw too, not a #.

Ephram Sallaam, was picked up this season, he's a vet who's been around the block, he was even surprised at just how complicated our offensive game plan was. One of the reasons it's taken our offense so long to be a collective unit is because a lot of the players were not on the same page as Byron. It will be another year before we see, what this offense is actualy capable of IMO, this offense is still in second gear. :headbang:

The reason why I posted this thread is to show just how underrated one of the best WR's to ever play the game was, even to fans in his own division. You all ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

Jimmy Smith 2 7.14%
Andre Johnson 26 92.86%
Voters: 28.

lol:

Grid 10-30-2004 07:29 AM

he isnt underrated :) He is worthy of the position he has.. #1 receiver for the Jags.. but he is not some diamond in the rough, he isnt a Moss.. he isnt an Owens.. he isnt a Ward.. and he surely isnt a Johnson.

As for your team spreading it around "so much more" ive already made posts on it.. and the numbers are not THAT MUCH greater than ours. You have hit more receivers.. but for the most part those extra receivers you hit have been for crappy yardage.

The most important stat is this. We have 9 receivers who average more than 10 yards per completion (most in the 15 area). you have 5 (most in the 10 and 11 area)

So.. yah.. you are throwing to ALL KINDS of receivers.. and getting negligable yardage.. we are only throwing to 10 receivers and getting first downs :P.

TexanExile 10-30-2004 07:30 AM

C'mon, bch, you've made some good posts around here and I've enjoyed seeing the game from your POV. But you can't seriously be surprised that a poll at HOUSTONTEXANS.COM turns out that way, right? And it doesn't mean we don't respect Jimmy.

Remember the question you asked. I know how good Jimmy is. I still think Andre's going to blow him out this season. Nothing to do with respect.

Vinny 10-30-2004 10:41 AM

Jagsbch is a world-class homer guys. Frankly, he is the Mother of all homers so get used to it. He will see everything thru teal colored glasses.

As for my opinion...

I think Jimmy Smith is a borderline hall of famer, but I think AJ is very special and Smith is very old. Do the math.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS 10-30-2004 11:15 AM

bottom line is Jimmy Smith is 35 and wont get any better

Andre Johnson is 23 and hasnt even reached his full potential yet

but that is all a moot point since AJ is already better than Jimmy Smith ever was

Vinny 10-30-2004 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by STEEL BLUE TEXANS
but that is all a moot point since AJ is already better than Jimmy Smith ever was

I don't think I'd go that far just yet. In 1999 Smith had 116 catches for 1636 yards (14.1 ypc) and 86 first downs. He has around 11 thousand yards in his career. He may end up in the HOF before his career ends.

JDizzle 10-30-2004 11:26 AM

Andre Johnson is also doubled nearly every route he runs. Most - if not all - of his highlight reel circus catches have been in double coverage. I have much respect for Jimmy Smith but Andre Johnson is clearly the better receiver this season (so far).

Hey, if it means anything to you, Fred Taylor is better than Jonathan Wells :yap

RunninRaven 10-30-2004 11:34 AM

Whatever disadvantage Jimmy Smith battles from not having a legit #2 WR is at least equaled by the Texans having no recognizable ground threat. Davis has been sub par this season, Hollings has been hurt and Wells has overachieved, but is still average. Teams KNOW our offense has to do the majority of our damage in the air.

And while Fred Taylor hasn't been wracking up the yards so far this season, I guarantee you opposing defenses still gameplan against him. No one worries much about Jonathon Wells.

Jagsbch 10-30-2004 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TexanExile
I know how good Jimmy is. I still think Andre's going to blow him out this season. Nothing to do with respect.

lol: :rofl:

STEEL BLUE TEXANS 10-30-2004 01:35 PM

You won't find a single Non-Texans/Non-Jags fan that would take Jimmy Smith over Andre Johnson. Simple as that. :woot:


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