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Ibar_Harry 10-16-2004 02:05 AM

Capers just doesn't get it!!!!!!!!!!!!
Read this and you just want to pull your hair out by the roots. The man has a formula for everything, but no feel for the game at hand. To me his analysis is flawed beyond belief. His team was down 21 points, because he couldn't run the ball. Well folks guess what, he wants to run the ball this week. Fortunately his team is playing away from Reliant Stadium. I suspect he might be booed out of the great state of Texas. What can one say?

geka 10-16-2004 02:32 AM

This is why we fire them all

Corrosion 10-16-2004 03:55 AM

As much as i dont think the Texans personel doesnt mix well with Capers "formula for winning games" the rate at which teams rush for 100+ yards and or 30+carries a game win V.S. teams that rush for less than 100 yards and or 30 carries is a staggering 4:1 .
My problem with the playcalling is not the actual plays themselves but the fact Capers / Palmer fail to use all the weapons at their disposal . Sure A.J. should get 10-12 touches a game and the backs should get a combined 30
Touches (not Carries) or so but from there the rest of the team should get a look if for nothing else but to keep the opposing defense honest .
The lack of production from the TE spot is a Huge concern to me . Texans TE's have a combined seven (7) catches this season . Recieving from the TE position is one of this teams strengths , in past seasons B. miller has had 51 (2002)and 40 (2003) catches . Bruener on the other hand had 13 in 2002 and only two (2) last season with the Steelers . Thats a dramatic decrease for Miller although it can be attributed in some part to the numbers A.J. is putting up . (as well as DD's 21 catches)
The lack of play action .... cant think of the last time i saw the Texans use P/A . The lack of short to intermediate "timing route's" is another thing i dont think they use enough , quick slants by either the slot reciever or TE . These type of plays keep a defense honest, they cant afford to put 8 men in the box . The safety creeping up for run support gets beat a couple times by the TE running a quick slant or deep post will think twice before commiting to the run as early . same can be said for play action . D-back commits to the run on the fake and it turns into a big play .
Screen passes are another (essentially a running play) , DD is one of the best pass catching RB's in the league , instead of dumping the ball off to him w/ no blockers design a play which takes advantage of his skills as a RB as well as reciever . I also dont see a lot of guard / tackles's pulling to get the RB outside on running plays . Maybe they arent athletic enough for this type of play .
There is only one way to control the clock and keep the opposing offense off the field , thats Move The Chains . There are many ways to do that but only moving the chains will eat up clock.
Three yards and a cloud of dust isnt gonna cut it . Palmer and Capers need to be more creative in their play selection.

Grid 10-16-2004 05:12 AM

Capers is right.

I hate it too.. I want to see more of our passing game.. more than that.. I dont want to risk some kind of "injury" to the moral or skills of our team by using them "incorrectly"

But you gotta do what you gotta do.. and you GOTTA run the football in the NFL.

The way I look at it.. this is a good thing. If we are gonna ever know if Davis is our RB.. we gotta give him chances. We gotta hand him the ball and we gotta see if he has the stuff to pick himself up after a crappy beggining to the season, and get back to where he was.

Just imagine how good we could be if Davis was running like last year.. AND we had our current passing game.

I know we all want to see the Texans in the playoffs.. we all want to see the talking heads eating crow and jumping on the Texans bandwagon.. but if it isnt this year, oh well.

it is more important for us that we grow as a team at this point. We have alot of tools.. alot of YOUNG tools that are gonna be here for a good long while. And we can afford to play to improve, rather than play to win. I know that probably makes some of you grit your teeth to even think about it.. but it is the smart thing to do. Sure.. if we want to win we could just say "ya know.. our running game isnt getting it done, we will be a passing team this year." or "the 3-4 isnt working, lets start working on a 4-3".. but you dont just give up on something.. especially when you know that if you get it working right, you are GONNA win games.

We all know how good we are.. just imagine where we are going to be in another year or two.. with 2 more FA periods under our belt.. and 2 more drafts. We will be a REAL NFL team.. not a patchwork team with an exorbinant amount of talent at certain positions.

Patience is a virtue and we all need to practice it more. give it time.. give D.D. a chance.. give our coaches, who are famous for being defensive gurus, do their thing. Lets see if Palmers is worth his salt when we have a REAL WORKING offense.

Then lets start making judgements. Im not saying we should refrain from picking apart our strengths and weaknesses.. or we should stop second guessing coaching decisions. But lets not let it go overboard.. lets not act like if we dont make changes immediatly, our team will be ground into oblivion and never be heard from again. Sit back, relax, enjoy the games.. look for future playmakers.. and look forward to another chance to fill our gaps and get new talent.. and keep HOPING for those playoffs, keep hoping that things will just click and we will start dominating.. but lets not let it be the basis for every judgement we make about this team.

Like I said.. yah, we have alot of talent at certain positions.. but having very talented wide receivers and a very talented QB.. that doesnt get you to the playoffs.. ask the Vikings, ask the Chargers, as the Cardinals.. one dimensional teams cannot win.. you have to be good in every aspect of the game. We are not to that point yet.. if we make it to the playoffs.. i dont want to say it will be a fluke.. but it will be very impressive and very unheard of.

so.. yah.. thats the end of my rant. I look forward to seeing D.D. back in the saddle this week. I hope that we will in fact become a BALANCED offense though.. not a running offense.

Grid 10-16-2004 05:17 AM

isnt it kind of odd for a coach to come out and say

"we are 4-1 when we run the ball 35 times, and we didnt do that last week.. so we are going to do that this week"

I mean.. isnt that kinda like broadcasting your plans to the opposing team?

just a thought.

for all you conspiracy theorists.. i wonder if we are going to come out passing now?

rhc564 10-16-2004 08:11 AM

...some boots, please

HJam72 10-16-2004 08:18 AM

I can't say that that article bothers me too much, actually. We can't really go out and pass constantly like we did in the second half of that game, but I still think that the whole run--run--incomplete pass--punt thing has got to go. What's worse is run--run to same spot--run to same spot--punt. That's not helping the offense or the defense in any way. Running on every first down is too predictable and saying well before the game starts that that's what you're going to do is worse. I hope he's lying to confuse them, lol--but he's not. Capers is a run--run--audible-to-run kind of coach. It's always DEFENSIVE coaches that run their offenses that way.

aj. 10-16-2004 08:51 AM

This statement: "We want to have balance," come from the core of Coach Capers' beliefs and I happen to agree with him. I don't think you will find many other coaches in the NFL that will stray too far from that philosophy either. I think he "gets it" just fine.

Grid 10-16-2004 09:10 AM

boots? i dont get it :)

nunusguy 10-16-2004 09:37 AM

AJ is an awesome athelete, in the current vernacular a freak. You have to get
the ball to him a minimum of 10 or so times a game - its a mortal sin not to.
We've seen he can make plays even when he is double or triple teamed. Get
it to him in the flat, over the middle, and most of all deep. Bob McNair should
take Capers aside before every game and talk to me like a little kid and remind him that McNair's biggest investments and most talented players on O are AJ & Carr.
And I'm puzzled why they have DD on the brain - he's a piddling 4th round pick. Their run game took a step backwards last week when they pulled Wells and played DD.

wags 10-16-2004 09:55 AM

Capers says in that article that if they threw it 40 times a game Carr would get hit a ton. If a balanced attack leads to keeping Carr healthy, then I am all for it. I have no problem running it this week because the Titans have a weak run defense, and their secondary is a strength IMO.
AJ will not touch the ball 10 times a game. If he can average 6-7 a game that's awesome. Right now Marvin Harrison and Randy Moss are only averaging 6 catches a game, and they're the two best receivers in the NFL.

wags 10-16-2004 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by nunusguy
And I'm puzzled why they have DD on the brain - he's a piddling 4th round pick. Their run game took a step backwards last week when they pulled Wells and played DD.

Priest Holmes was undrafted and Terrell Davis was a sixth round pick. Draft position doesn't mean a whole lot, except how much money you will make. Wells had a great game because our O-line played well. When our O-line plays bad we average 2 yards a carry.

aj. 10-16-2004 10:03 AM

AJ is one of the most targeted receivers in the NFL.

According to Stats Inc., he has been the intended receiver 51 times in the Texans 5 games. Of the top ten WRs in the league, AJ is second only to Isaac Bruce who has been targeted 56 times.


profan 10-16-2004 10:24 AM

I agree that we need more balance. What I don't agree with is forcing the run to set up the pass. We should get the ball to our receivers as much as possible to get a good lead in the first half, then, run the ball to run out the clock. If we do not get first downs with the run, then go back to the pass. Balance would be nice, but I'm afraid Capers is going to go about it the wrong way by trying to get the ball to DD to much in the first half. That's what got us down 21 points against the Vikings. Capers should be more concerned with the number of points and yards the defense is giving up and leave the offense alone. I truly believe all the bashing you guys give Palmer should be redirected to Capers.

luv-ya-blue 10-16-2004 10:25 AM

Im sure glad all u Capers haters arent running rhis team or we'd be 0 for and going nowhere.Its is so obvious,even to a casual fan, that its our defense who is loosing games. Sure, our offense is still growing and has alot to improve on but with and above avg. defense we'd be around 4-1.

cuppacoffee 10-16-2004 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by Grid
boots? i dont get it :)

For wading around in deep doo-doo.

bckey 10-16-2004 11:18 AM

The article doesn't bother me. It makes sense. It still doesn't make me a Capers fan though. Never have been. I hated it when it was annouced he would be the coach to build this team. Of course I'm still a Texan fan. Don't even think about saying I have to love our coach to be a fan. He should have stuck with being a defensive coordinator IMHO.

Corrosion 10-16-2004 11:19 AM

I think the point of my previous post in this thread was a Balanced Offense . I'm all for running the ball Effeciently and as many times a game as is realistic. The problem isnt how many times the backs get the ball , its the few touches other players besides DD (when healthy) and A.J get , and the lack of creativity from the offense overall that bothers me .
As far as passing 50 times a game , with the way the O-line has performed to date DC would be in a body bag by now if that were common place.
As to the Defense being the cause for the number in the loss column , you can place just as much blame on the offense . Dont know how many times the D has forced a punt or turnover and the O goes 3 and out , then the D gives up a score .
Most teams "Script" their forst 6-10 plays on offense , meaning that the plays are pre-determined (barring audibles) to establish something early , usually the running game . Instead of running up the gut for 3 yards , why not pull a tackle and take the play outside or run a screen pass putting the RB in the open field where he can make someone miss ? Maybe come out with 4 wide and run a draw play .
Its the Predictability factor ...... every team knows what to expect from the Texans early . The Texans could stand to use more miss-direction , more or less disguise their plan like defenses disguise their coverages than to just come to the line and attepmt to run straight forward ..... 3 yards and a cloud of dust.
The Texans have the weapons , its up to the coaching staff to be creative enough to make the best use of All of them , not just DD and AJ.


cuppacoffee 10-16-2004 11:26 AM


Originally Posted by nunusguy
AJ is an awesome athelete, in the current vernacular a freak. You have to get
the ball to him a minimum of 10 or so times a game - its a mortal sin not to.
We've seen he can make plays even when he is double or triple teamed. Get
it to him in the flat, over the middle, and most of all deep. Bob McNair should
take Capers aside before every game and talk to me like a little kid and remind him that McNair's biggest investments and most talented players on O are AJ & Carr.
And I'm puzzled why they have DD on the brain - he's a piddling 4th round pick. Their run game took a step backwards last week when they pulled Wells and played DD.

First offensive play of the game for Texans.....fake to DD into the line, throw deep sideline pass to AJ....touchdown! :thumbup

geka 10-16-2004 11:39 AM

The few of yall on Capers balls that think he is right are full of it. Capers went into the last game intending to run the ball every play of the game or 35 times or whatever.

Using the lets run it alot so we can win they got the ball to DD the first 6 plays and trust me a sort pass is basically an extention of the run game. The first 6 plays to DD? You know what that is? Its a crime its a joke its enough reason to fire them all.

They are not going to change their mind. They will go into every game like this, untill the coaches are fired we will never reach our potential. You know the pass can set up the run the run dont have to set up the pass. Aslong as our best 3 players are a QB and 2 WR nobody is going to overcommit to the run because 7 people can stop it easy.

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