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Micheal 09-21-2004 08:15 AM

Time For A Change
 
It looks a though, this will another 4 or 5 win season. If that's the case, I really don't believe David Carr is all that everyone thought he would be. Next season, the Texans really need to look for another quarterback. He is starting to remind of Tony Banks when he used to play for the Rams....good stats, losing record.

OzzO 09-21-2004 08:22 AM

Disgree. I do think we make sure we have quality good backups though. Would you want to start over with another rook or David starting his 4th season?

I don't think it's all on one player that changing him would result in a better record.

Now start looking for no turnovers, stepped up defense, and less penalties the rest of this season... then I could get on board with that.

keyfro 09-21-2004 08:24 AM

nah carr has the arm...two of his picks this year came from tipped passes which he can't control so right now i only see him have one pick this season...he has what it takes to be good but we have to get him to get out of these little passes to DD...still want to see the long ball to johnson

Doug 09-21-2004 08:32 AM

Man you need to calm down. I've been waiting on this to happen. After last year everyone was spouting off at the mouth, Carr this and Carr that. You know what, the guy is doing awesome! Blame him all you want but the guy is 4th in total passing yards, had a passer rating of 109 after the loss to Detroit and not to mention was sacked 5 times and running for his life on several occasions. Geez, what else do you want from this guy? He's still got things to work on but god he looks so much better than the last two years. When is the rest of the team gonna step up? Carrs on the level where he needs to be. Where's everyone else????? Don't pull that, he keeps throwing it to DD every play crud because if he didn't have a hand in his face every other play the ball would be going elsewhere and you saw it quite a few times against Detroit when the man had time to throw.

shansmacker 09-21-2004 08:53 AM

I think you are waaaay out of bounds in your assessment of DC up to this point.When he starts getting consistant pass protection and he still has problems moving his team down the field maybe ill think differently but as for what I see now he is doing an excellant job considering he still doesnt have the consistant pass protection he needs.

Lucky 09-21-2004 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Micheal
It looks a though, this will another 4 or 5 win season. If that's the case, I really don't believe David Carr is all that everyone thought he would be. Next season, the Texans really need to look for another quarterback...

If you really think the Texans need another QB...then they better start looking for a new coach & GM as well. David Carr is Casserly & Caper's baby. They brought him in with the 1st pick, they built this franchise around him. If Carr's a bust, then C&C don't deserve to stay.

So is that what you're calling for? A complete dismantling of the organization?

JDizzle 09-21-2004 09:28 AM

I have an idea: Let's bench Carr for the remainder of the season, and start Banks, better yet, let's start Ragone. That way we can go 0 - 16 and draft Leinart. Yeah, then we'll be a powerhouse of the NFL for sure. While you're at it, you might want to find a couple of offensive linemen who can keep interior defensive linemen out of the backfield.

Come on people, this is starting to get ridiculous. If you're going to make statements like that then you really should back it up with something concrete.

Hi, I'm earth, have we met?

Micheal 09-21-2004 09:52 AM

Now that you bought it up. If the Texans does not have at least an 8-8 season, Caper should be fired.
I do remember when Kurt Warner was playing for the Rams and went to the Superbowl his first year. He constantly had defensive linemen in his face just like David Carr. It's the quarterback people.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucky
If you really think the Texans need another QB...then they better start looking for a new coach & GM as well. David Carr is Casserly & Caper's baby. They brought him in with the 1st pick, they built this franchise around him. If Carr's a bust, then C&C don't deserve to stay.

So is that what you're calling for? A complete dismantling of the organization?


Lucky 09-21-2004 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Micheal
I do remember when Kurt Warner was playing for the Rams and went to the Superbowl his first year. He constantly had defensive linemen in his face just like David Carr. It's the quarterback people.

Maybe the Giants would trade Warner to the Texans for Carr? Would that make you happy?

Now that you brought it up, it's always the QB. Carr is secretly greasing the ball before giving it to DD. He's sneaking in on defense and giving up 3rd & long conversions. He should have made that tackle on the kick return TD. He should disregard the plays coming in and only call bombs to AJ. D-linemen should bounce off his body like a rubber ball. Carr is killing this football team, single-handedly.

beerlover 09-21-2004 10:31 AM

I'm going to say it again, the Texans lack of defensive pressure on the opposing QB, along with lack of protection to ours combined with mental mistakes on both sides resulting in penalties & turnovers is the root cause of the poor beginning to this season. When Carr has time, he can throw down the field with accuracy, Armstrong looks like a weapon, Babin & Robinson are doing fine, Mosses needs to sit on kick-offs for Starling & return punts only. :soapbox:

nunusguy 09-21-2004 10:32 AM

Carr in particular and the offense in general are doing fine and we are gonna ge OK in that department - as long as we can get DD to hold on to the ball and we don't get hit with a batch of injuries. OK we need to get more TDs and
fewer FGs in the Red Zone, but they are moving the ball with sustained drives.
And they looked pretty good preseason.
But the D is something else. I have a nagging feeling that we got some real "structural" problems there,i.e., we just don't have the level of talent in
our personnel on that side of the ball that we need to effectively compete.

beerlover 09-21-2004 10:41 AM

I agree nun with your assement of the offense & this coming draft look at a premium DT to upgrade pressure on the QB. However I think we have the talent to compete now its just that they are still adjusting to each other, the system and Walker & Payne are not 100% back from last seasons injurys. I thought all along it would take them until mid sesaon to jell, unfortunatly the offense has not capitalized but instead capitalized upon :pickle:

JDizzle 09-21-2004 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bottle-O-Bud
If you hand the ball 33 times to your running back, your setting up the QB to fail . I think Carr would like to get out of Palmers system too.

Care to provide us with something to back that up?

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I would like to see Carr on a west coast offense. :popcorn: Palmer's offense looks like its suffering from severe form of constapation. It's so hard to get anything done.
Especially when you turn the ball over 7 times. I guess it is the coaches fault for not ordering super tackified footballs.

JDizzle 09-21-2004 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bottle-O-Bud
What if I tell you that the coaches predictability is is causing all these turnovers?

I would then ask you to back that up also, along with your previous statement. Backing up the statement "33 carries sets up a QB to fail" with the crafty, whiz of a comeback "the coaches predictability is causing all the turnovers" is like trying to cover up the smell of dog **** with another scoop of dog ****. I'm not trying to be rude, I just want to know how you're coming up with this stuff.

texan279 09-21-2004 12:56 PM

I can tell you what is causing the turnovers. Davis not putting two hands on the ball, and Carr making a couple of bad throws. Can't blame the coaches for Davis coughing it up or for Carr unloading off of his back foot.

Carr Bombed 09-21-2004 12:59 PM

The Person who needs to go is Palmer and Capers philosiphy. Think about it if all they were going to do was run the ball, why did they draft a quarterback #1 and then a wr in the 2nd in the first years draft. Then Draft another wr #3 ovrl. I like DD alot, but hes not a workhorse type back, hes to small and hasn't proven he can stay healthy for a whole season yet. He has solidified the rb position though. So we can run and pass that makes us a 2 dimensional and balanced offense, but our coaching staff leaves us one dimensional by taking out the passing game, a job that should be left up to the opposing defense. That leaves the opposing defense stacking up against the run resulting in fewer YPC and a higher chance of turnovers. Successful coaches don't force a team to fit their philosiphy. They change their philosiphy to fit the talent and strength of the team. Carr is the guy and hes playing real well. Hes only 2 games into his 3rd year so its to soon to dismiss him already. Plus he has shown significant improvement, just wait til the end of the year. I have a feeling hes going to breakout.

texan279 09-21-2004 01:06 PM

I think the reason the are using the running game so much is to try and open up the passing game. But it has gotten to the point of 2 runs, 1 pass, punt, 2 runs, one pass, punt. They need to mix it up. Try pass, run, pass, or pass, pass, run. I liked what the Eagles and Vikes did last night on offense. I remember one 2nd and 2 the Eagles had I think, and they lined up in shotgun, 2 RB's, and 3 WR's. That is what we need to start doing, mixing it up a bit, stop being so conservative and predictable. Also, until Davis proves he can stop dropping the rock for awhile, I think they should look at splitting RB duties 50/50 with Davis and Hollings. Not just having Hollings spell Davis for a play or 2 for a breather. I would say bench Davis, but I know Capers won't.

Carr Bombed 09-21-2004 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by texan279
I think the reason the are using the running game so much is to try and open up the passing game. But it has gotten to the point of 2 runs, 1 pass, punt, 2 runs, one pass, punt. They need to mix it up. Try pass, run, pass, or pass, pass, run. I liked what the Eagles and Vikes did last night on offense. I remember one 2nd and 2 the Eagles had I think, and they lined up in shotgun, 2 RB's, and 3 WR's. That is what we need to start doing, mixing it up a bit, stop being so conservative and predictable. Also, until Davis proves he can stop dropping the rock for awhile, I think they should look at splitting RB duties 50/50 with Davis and Hollings. Not just having Hollings spell Davis for a play or 2 for a breather. I would say bench Davis, but I know Capers won't.

I said that in a post during the game. All they do is run,run,pass..... run,run,pass..... run,run,pass..... run,run,pass..... run,run,pass..... run,run,pass..... run,run,pass..... run,run,pass..... run,run,pass..... run,run,pass..... run,run,pass..... run,run,pass..... run,run,pass..... run,run,pass..... Its like a skipping record, they need to be more deceptive with the play calling. Now we're 0-2 with not much to lose being heavy underdogs against KC, let the ball fly more and not just on third down.

Vinny 09-21-2004 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Carr Bomb
I said that in a post during the game. All they do is run,run,pass..... run,run,pass..... run,run,pass..... run,run,pass..... run,run,pass..... run,run,pass..... run,run,pass..... run,run,pass..... run,run,pass..... run,run,pass..... run,run,pass..... run,run,pass..... run,run,pass..... run,run,pass..... Its like a skipping record, they need to be more deceptive with the play calling. Now we're 0-2 with not much to lose being heavy underdogs against KC, let the ball fly more and not just on third down.

That is not our problem. Our problem is we don't score TD's and we turn the ball over. We move the ball plenty well and are one of the better teams in the league between the 20's. The next time we score 30 points in a game or our QB throws 3 TD's in a game will be the first time.

Carr Bombed 09-21-2004 01:28 PM

I know turnovers are our biggest problem, thats a given. I'm just saying I'll like us to mix it up a little. I've been hearing how Palmer hasn't fully opened the playbook and this year he was. I like to see us open it up and see how explosive this offense can be, because right now with our defense strugleing our offense is probally going to have to carry more of the load.


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