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Grid 09-19-2004 03:28 PM

SO.. what is wrong with us?
 
Now.. it is true that turnovers are losing the game for us on offense.. but what is wrong with our defense?

is this new coverage rule making that big a difference? why are we incapable of stopping anyone? our defense wasnt this bad in year 1 and we have a better lineup than we did that year.

Carr is tossing up good numbers but honestly he isnt going to be able to do that against a defensive minded team.

for christ sake we were in a defensive battle during the first half.. WITH DETROIT!! Detroit is not HALF as good defensively as other teams... and we were going toe to toe with them like they were the baltimore ravens or something.

Im honestly disgusted.. as far as we have come.. as much heart as we have shown the last 2 seasons.. how hard we have worked to make an impact and when it looks like everything is finally coming together.. we are playing worse than we ever have.. NO heart.. NO drive.

We are now 0 and 2 and about to start a stretch of difficult games.. if the chargers and the lions offense puts up this many points against us.. what is KC going to do to us? And as bad as KCs defense is.. I wouldnt put them that much worse than SDs and Detroits.. if they are even worse at all.

Who is coming out in next years draft? if we play this way the rest of the season.. we are gonna have that #1 pick.

oh, and I find the whole "fire palmer", "Fire capers", "fire casserly" posts as lame as the next guy.. but I really think we should consider doing something different in the defensive and offensive departments.

Fangio isnt cutting it so far.. we run a 3-4.. and the whole point of a 3-4 is to be quick and aggressive and we are NOT doing it. We are a defensive and run minded team.. and we have a defense than cant stop a TE or a rookie RB behind a shoddy line.. and a running back that fumbles twice a game and still gets 30+ carries.

Also we have 4 good recievers.. 4 guys that can make a difference and we are lucky if we get to each guy once. That is NOT right. Your running back is getting stuffed.. hes fumbling the ball.. hes tired.. GIVE IT TO YOUR SLEW OF VERY TALENTED RECEIVERS!. We didnt score a touchdown till we started throwing downfield.. WAKE UP CALL!!!!!

I would NOT be disappointed if we got us a different defensive coordinator.. and I definatly wouldnt be disappointed if we got an offensive coordinator who wasnt quite as interested in controlling the clock. I know thats how Capers likes to run his offense.. but ya know what.. we have playmakers that we are not getting 100% out of.. Capers either needs to change his view on things, or someone needs to change his view for him (*cough*mcnair*cough*)

Let capers focus on that defense.. get us some damn turnovers, get us some damn sacks, get us some damn 3rd and outs.. get us SOMETHING besides an endless stream of 3rd down completions by the freaking DETROIT LIONS AND SAN DIEGO CHARGERS.

Let someone else focus on our offense.. someone who will let our QB.. who has one of the strongest arms in the league and is pinpoint accurate.. throw the ball. Someone who will let us spread that ball around to Johnson, Bradford, Gaffney, Armstrong, and if none of them are open THEN toss it to DD. Yah its really great when you can toss it to DD and get a first down.. but its even better when you can toss it to Johnson and get 40 yards or a touchdown!

Ive never beleived all this "we are too conservative" bunk.. I always figured that when we had the tools to really open up the playbook.. we would do it. Well I was dead wrong.. we need people with cajones on our coaching staff. We are the damn houston texans.. we arent a freakin yankee team.. I dont WANT a team that isnt gonna play smashmouth football and lay it all on the line to get that W.

0 and freakin 2. just cut your damn hair Carr.

How many draft picks yall think miami would give us for Davis?

can ya tell im not happy :P.

RTP2110 09-19-2004 03:34 PM

One major thing we lack is the go for the kill attittude. This comes from the coaches, theyre attitude is, "Lets avoid getting killed." They play not to lose instaed of playing to win. I said in another thread, we have a secon rate coaching staff here. We hired them because nobody else would.

Wolf 09-19-2004 03:34 PM

3rd down conversions against us is killing us. The got a 3rd and 10 ,3rd and 11, and a 3rd and 7 against our defense.. amazing.

I can't complain about the playcalling. I guess the announcers said it best. Capers likes to keep the 3rd downs 5 yards or less, so I guess why we see runs on 2nd and 7 alot, but that may be the plays that I only notice. we may pass on 2nd down more than I realize.. I haven't looked at the stats

nunusguy 09-19-2004 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolf
3rd down conversions against us is killing us. The got a 3rd and 10 ,3rd and 11, and a 3rd and 7 against our defense.. amazing.

That's the key, we can't stop them on 3rd down, even 3rd and long. We are
not getting significant pressure on the QB, from the inside rush or off the edge, we aren't getting the pressure. Carr played played pretty good today, especially in the second half. Even if we eliminate the turnovers, we've got
to hold them on long 3rd down. The D did good early, but later in the game
when it really mattered, didn't get it done.

rittenhouserobz 09-19-2004 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RTP2110
One major thing we lack is the go for the kill attittude. This comes from the coaches, theyre attitude is, "Lets avoid getting killed." They play not to lose instaed of playing to win. I said in another thread, we have a secon rate coaching staff here. We hired them because nobody else would.

I am willing to suggest that there are some coaches availible who look at the tools the Texans have and are saying "I can make this work" kinda like the Marvin Lewis situation. Capers and company have the tools. Its just a matter of how they use them.

LionsAllTheWay 09-19-2004 04:05 PM

Two weeks in a row we limit leading rushers to 3.1 per carry, two weeks in a row we allow only 2 touchdowns (16 points, again), two weeks in a row we force three turnovers (now at +5 for the season), and we still have a bad defense? I disagree. Bly will be back, Boss will be back, and the D will continue to play well.

Offensively, I was very pleased in with the second half.

Reddevil63 09-19-2004 04:09 PM

Ill admit you have a very good D-line. However if we had a O-coordinator with anything between his legs, your secondary would have been exposed more than it was.

LionsAllTheWay 09-19-2004 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Reddevil63
Ill admit you have a very good D-line. However if we had a O-coordinator with anything between his legs, your secondary would have been exposed more than it was.

True, it was a little shaky but Dre Bly will be back as early as next week, so I'm much less worried about it. It was Chris Cash and Bracy Walker that got burned, not Bryant or Bly. But I will agree that we definitely need to draft SS high next year. Our safety corps average age 32, with the exception of Holt who is second year.

SheTexan 09-19-2004 04:16 PM

Did anyone see that half time piece they had with Coach Fox with the Panther's? They were talking about how they use computers to track stats, etc, even how the coache's are going to coach. I thought it was very interesting and would like to know more about it. They have Caper's pegged big time. I believe Mariuchi (sp) knew what Capers was going to call before Capers did. We have one of the most predictable coaches in the NFL.

Jwwillis 09-19-2004 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RTP2110
One major thing we lack is the go for the kill attittude. This comes from the coaches, theyre attitude is, "Lets avoid getting killed." They play not to lose instaed of playing to win. I said in another thread, we have a secon rate coaching staff here. We hired them because nobody else would.

And I say that is still a bunch of bunk for endless reasons. Just for starters over aggressiveness on Walkers part caused an interception to be nullified. When we blitz we get burned. Blitzing is an aggressive move. Taking chances will burn you as much as being passive. What is needed is maturation. Texans are a young team and boy did they look it today. I am always amazed at someone blaming a coach when its the multimillion dollar stars on the field that have to make the plays.

Wolf 09-19-2004 04:27 PM

I personally expect more from the defense. We supposively "upgraded" in the FA and draft and for some reason, I am not seeing it. Maybe my expectations were too high and I need to let the 4 new starters and 2 injured starters (of last year) get into a groove.

On a side note. Our "youngsters" (offensive side) have to quit giving the ball away so our defense isn't on the field so much.

It kills me that in the 4th quarter, we allow SD to run out the clock and this week we give up a 7 minute drive for a TD in the 4th quarter.

good game Detroit,you did what you had to do

RTP2110 09-19-2004 04:29 PM

My post was not referring solely to play calling, it directed more towards thier philosophy. Yea there are always penalties, and blitzs get burned at times. What I mean is when your defense holds DET to 7 points in the 1st half, and all we do is run instead of testing the deep ball and trying to mount a lead while thier offense was struggling. They didn't try anything deep until there was no other choice. When we did play long it worked fine, and could have given us a 1st half lead. But our coaches are to worried about keeping it close, and it hurts us more than it helps.

Demon 09-19-2004 04:29 PM

Coaching
 
Our coaching and offensive calls leave something to be desired. We have lots of talent out there but Capers and cronies aren't coming through like champs. In fact, they are more like chumps. Can we get some Super Glue for Davis?

Jwwillis 09-19-2004 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rittenhouserobz
I am willing to suggest that there are some coaches availible who look at the tools the Texans have and are saying "I can make this work" kinda like the Marvin Lewis situation. Capers and company have the tools. Its just a matter of how they use them.

Does how they use them include fumbles, stupid mistakes and penalties? Do you think that Capers has forgot to mention HOLD ONTO THE FOOTBALL? Or DON'T HIT THE QB IN THE HEAD. Or perhaps Capers failed to mention DONT GRAB THE FACEMASK or DONT JUMP OFFSIDES. When is it that you hold the players accountable?? Or maybe we need a new coach because they wont listen to him. How sad would that be? All the things mentioned above are coached in pewee league. Not to mention they make millions to do what they do.

Jwwillis 09-19-2004 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bottle-O-Bud
Coaches do call out the offensive plays and defensive alignments. You know that right....?

Uh yea I think so. You do know it is the players that run the plays right??

HoustonLionsFan 09-19-2004 04:35 PM

Grid- You can think what you want, but I've been here all week trying to tell you Detroits D wasn't something to be taken lightly. Go ahead and beat yourself up, but think to yourself, Detroit beat a Bear team that held GB to 10 points and scored 21 against GB. Maybe Detroit is better than you thought?

Wolf 09-19-2004 04:36 PM

one thing I am suprised about with the offense. With the new rules reguarding DB's, I am suprised Carr isn't trying to throw the deep ball a few times more a game.
But again, I con't see the defensive alignment

RTP2110 09-19-2004 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by HoustonLionsFan
Grid- You can think what you want, but I've been here all week trying to tell you Detroits D wasn't something to be taken lightly. Go ahead and beat yourself up, but think to yourself, Detroit beat a Bear team that held GB to 10 points and scored 21 against GB. Maybe Detroit is better than you thought?


Maybe they are, but throwing out stats from ONE GAME that was played LAST YEAR is no way to prove it.

jhawktx 09-19-2004 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SheTexan
Did anyone see that half time piece they had with Coach Fox with the Panther's? They were talking about how they use computers to track stats, etc, even how the coache's are going to coach. .

Some coaches are working with computers while Capers is making out his grocery list on the sideline for the drive home...milk, bread, Sports Illustrated...

beerlover 09-19-2004 07:04 PM

cappers is capable but hardly palatable, but I give him credit for maintaining his composure, he stays positive and doesn't get in the players faces (may be neccesarry at some point) and seems to stay with the game plan (however faulty) we are just going to have to exercise patience and stay behind the team for better or worse for the interm :cool:


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