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Hottoddie 05-08-2004 06:35 PM

Donovin Darius: What would you give up?
 
According to this article, Jacksonville is rumored to be asking for a 2nd round pick. I wonder if they'd accept the Dallas 3rd round pick & our 4th or 5th round pick? Would you give up that much, or not? To sign him to a long term contract, it'll cost us between $3 million & $4.1 million per year. Eric Brown makes about $1.39 million this year & $1.71 million next year. Is Darius that much of an upgrade to Brown?

Is Ramon Walker healed up completely from his season ending injury last year? How about a 1-2 punch of Darius & Brown at SS this year? That'd give Earl time to heal up & be groomed to start next year. We could then slide Darius over to FS, once Coleman leaves. I'd be surprised if Coleman resigns with us at a Safety's pay.

A FS/SS lineup of Darius/McCree & Earl (assuming he lives up to the hype)/Brown would be deep & pretty tough to beat.

Or, would you rather stand pat & hope that the Jammal Lord transition experiment works out? What would you do?

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-onlin...15545950.shtml

Darius dilemma
Jags safety says he's at peace with situation
By VITO STELLINO
The Times-Union

Breaking his four-month silence on his contract situation, safety Donovin Darius said he's "disappointed" he didn't get the long-term deal he was looking for from the Jaguars, but added he'll be happy to play for the $4.1 million franchise number this year if he's not traded.
Darius, 28, a first-round draft pick in 1998, also said there's a possibility he'll rejoin the Jaguars for their next organized team workout on May 18.

Darius, who has declined to participate in the team's voluntary workout program and reached a mutual agreement with coach Jack Del Rio to skip the team's mandatory minicamp last weekend, said he understands the business side of football and is not upset about his situation.

"I'm not disgruntled. I'm not mad. I have no grudges. I don't have any anger against anybody. What is not to like about [the franchise number of] $4.1 million? What is there to be disgruntled about?" he said.

He said he's at peace with the situation whether he plays for the Jaguars or is traded.

This is the second consecutive year the Jaguars have put the franchise tag on Darius after he turned down a long-term deal because its average was less than the franchise number.

According to his agent, Tom Condon, the Jaguars offered Darius an average of $2.6 million last year and he played for the franchise number of $3 million.

Condon said the Jaguars' new coaching staff wanted a chance to evaluate Darius. But after a year in which he missed only two plays, they offered him a contract with an average of $3 million.

After he rejected that figure, they put the franchise tag on him again. The franchise tag salary jumped to $4.1 million this year for safeties and he quickly signed it. Condon, though, thinks the Jaguars' true intention is to trade Darius.

"He had an excellent year and they offered him six years at $3 million [average]. What their offer is telling me is that they don't like the player very much and they want to be in a position where they can trade the contract," Condon said.

Darius said he was given high marks from the team's coaches for playing both the run and the pass last year. He had 118 tackles -- third highest on the team -- and one interception.

"Where is the knock? What don't you like about me? If any of the areas are not up to par, communicate that and we'll have a true negotiation," Darius said.

Condon said the rumor around the league is that the Jaguars are asking for a second-round pick for Darius.
James Harris, the vice president of player personnel, would not address those rumors.

"I'm not going to get into negotiating in the paper," he said.

"If we trade Donovin, we want value for a player who's a top-rated player. If we can't get the value, then we certainly would like to have Donovin. We're prepared to play with Donovin."

Meanwhile, Darius followed Condon's advice and has been a no-show in the team's voluntary offseason workout program. Instead, he's been working out on his own with his own training regimen.

Last weekend's minicamp was mandatory, but Del Rio told him to skip it if he wasn't ready to join the team.

"There was a mutual agreement that if I didn't come, they won't fine me," Darius said.

The next question is whether Darius will wait until the start of training camp to show up if he's not traded, or will participate in some of the 14 organized workouts each team can have besides a minicamp. The Jaguars' sessions run from May 18 to June 16.

Darius doesn't rule out the possibility of participating in those sessions.

"I'm a professional. Some things aren't going to go your way. If I decided to go down to the stadium, it would have anything to do with anything that was said about me," Darius said.

Condon said that if another team trades for Darius, they'll have to negotiate a long-term deal because a team wouldn't want to give up a draft pick only to see him become a free agent at the end of the season.

The Jaguars risk losing Darius without compensation if they don't trade him this year because it would be difficult to put the tag on him again next year. He would automatically get a 20 percent raise and Condon said he'd become the highest-paid safety in the league at $4.9 million.

If Darius does stay this year, he thinks he could be part of a successful team.

"We made some key moves, got some key acquisitions to help increase our chances. We've got some developing to do, but our chances are as good as anyone else's [at getting into the playoffs]," he said.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS 05-08-2004 07:39 PM

3rd round pick at the most. ive been hearing theres a possibility that he will be released june 1st though.

Hottoddie 05-08-2004 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by STEEL BLUE TEXANS
3rd round pick at the most. ive been hearing theres a possibility that he will be released june 1st though.

But, then we'll have to bid against the rest of the league. A 28 y/o SS in the prime of his career could get expensive.

Lucky 05-08-2004 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Hottoddie
But, then we'll have to bid against the rest of the league. A 28 y/o SS in the prime of his career could get expensive.

He's already expensive. Darius carries a $4.1 mil contract for this season. To agree with a trade, the Texans would have to workout a long term contract where Darius gets his money and the cap hit is not so high. Darius has no reason to sign a below market deal.

There's no reason to get into a bidding war that doesn't exist yet. If the Jags release Darius, the Texans can look into what it takes to sign him. If it is too much, well it probably would have been too much when Darius was under contract to the Jags. Whether the Texans can acquire Darius or not, they're are OK at safety. No reason to hand over our hard earned Henson pick to a division rival.

LiveForTheGame 05-08-2004 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hottoddie
But, then we'll have to bid against the rest of the league. A 28 y/o SS in the prime of his career could get expensive.

A 28 year old in the prime of his career...who hasn't done anything to prove he's worth going for. Maybe if he was a steady probowl/mvp type guy, but we went after safeties in the draft anyway. We don't need him.

Grid 05-08-2004 08:58 PM

I dont think we will bid for him.. we are "content" with Eric Brown, and we just picked up Glen Earl who was the hardest hitting SS in college football.

LiveForTheGame 05-08-2004 09:01 PM

I agree...it would be wasting the draft picks we used if we just went for yet ANOTHER average veteran safety. We also picked up Jamal Lord at safety right? At least that's the last I saw him listed at...personally I think he should be tried at RB.

Hottoddie 05-08-2004 10:40 PM

Okay, fair enough. Here's another couple of questions for you.

1) I know that in the NBA, when a player is traded to another team, his "Bird Rights" follow him & can be used by his new team to resign or trade him. With that in mind, if the Texans were to trade for Darius, would they be able to make him a restricted FA by making him a qualified offer? In other words, would his accrued seasons be transferable to the Texans? If not, then forget question #2.

2) Depending on the answer to the 1st question, would you be willing to offer Jacksonville a 4th or 5th round pick in the 24th hour (assuming they get no better offers for him), with the intent being to play him this year, making him a restricted FA (by making him a qualified offer) at the end of the year, & letting the highest bidder have him? Thus, the Texans would get a higher draft pick than the one they gave up.

I know this sounds a little complicated & twisted, but can it be done? I'm not familiar with the workings of the NFL's CBA, so I'm just throwing out an idea for discussion.

texman8 05-08-2004 11:18 PM

IMO, I don't think Texans are interested in Donovan. He is too expensive cap-wise. Probably want a new long term contract ( too much for safety). Brown is adequate. Let's see how Earl does in training game.

rittenhouserobz 05-09-2004 02:44 AM

I think we will be fine where we are. I just hope that Darius ends up in the NFC if he is that good.

PHAROAH 05-09-2004 10:21 AM

Give him Donovan a 3 year 9 million deal and our secondary will be set until we find a better option.

Fiddy 05-09-2004 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by PHAROAH
Give him Donovan a 3 year 9 million deal and our secondary will be set until we find a better option.

Problem is he thinks he is the best SS in the NFL and should be getting paid the more than any other SS in the league.

scourge 05-09-2004 01:17 PM

Ed Reed is the best SS in the league, imo...

Fiddy 05-09-2004 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by scourge
Ed Reed is the best SS in the league, imo...

I would tend to agree.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS 05-09-2004 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by scourge
Ed Reed is the best SS in the league, imo...



definitely. he and ray lewis study film all the time so theres no telling how good he will get.

jags98 05-28-2004 12:27 AM

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ive been hearing theres a possibility that he will be released june 1st though.
^^ That won't happen because the Jags would take a cap hit of 4.1 Million that he has this year, because he signed the franchise tender. So we would be releasing him and still have to pay the $$$

kuno 05-28-2004 02:17 AM

He will not sign a long term contract for less than 4 million a year.

J-Man 05-28-2004 09:37 AM

I simply can't see us picking Darius up for that kind of money. CC has stated pretty plain that the team is happy with the current depth chart and that any additional pickups will be back ups. We have a lot of folks at DB that we need to work out and see what we really have in our hands.

Now all that doesn't mean that CC and the boys won't at least give Darius a sniff...they're good enough football guys to know that you keep your options open and if the hot deal comes along you might need to snatch it up if for no other reason than to set up a follow on deal with someone else (ala Drew Henson).

TheOgre 05-28-2004 10:04 AM

Ed Reed was fantastic last year but he was still a rookie. I think it is a bit premature to crown him the best SS in the league. The same can be said of Roy Williams at FS. Is Anquan Boldin suddenly the best WR in the league after his rookie season? He went to the Pro Bowl too.

Personally, I like Corey Chavous and Adam Archuletta as young SS's that have proven themselves over a few seasons.

TheOgre 05-28-2004 10:06 AM

I think he could make a big impact on our run defense. Personally I would be willing to part with both of our 3rd round picks to get him. The Texans are all about getting playmakers now and he is 28 and in his prime. The only thing that might hold me back from making the trade, would be an outrageous salary demand by him (which could be the case from the sound of it).


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