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DetroitLions 08-31-2004 08:44 PM

Charles Rogers vs Andre Johnson
 
Not coming here to troll, but just a friendly debate, and get some insight form Andres fans.. Who do you think is better and why...? :)

TexanExile 08-31-2004 08:49 PM

Welcome to the board...short answer from me on this is that Rogers got hurt and hasn't had a chance to truly shine yet. AJ already has proven his ability over the course of a full season. We'll get a good chance to see more in week 2, eh?

Rogers has made some nice highlight-reel grabs in preseason.

Fiddy 08-31-2004 08:50 PM

It is hard to tell because Rogers was hurt most of last year, but I always thought that AJ would have been a better pick by the Lions then Rogers. I still feel that the Lions drafted Rogers because of the Michigan ties and I also feel that Roy Williams will be better then Rogers...

But AJ is tough. A heck of a run blocker, very aggressive, always wanting to get better, never quits on a play, and has the best combination of size and speed out of him a Rogers...

JMHO....

HoustonLionsFan 08-31-2004 08:50 PM

As a Lions fan that is new to Houston, I will answer you. Rogers injury last year prohibits a comparison at this time. But, IMO, it is difficult to compare them anyway. AJ is a bigger, more physical WR, while CR is a faster, downfield kind of WR. R Williams is a closer comparison to the AJ type of WR.

Jwwillis 08-31-2004 08:51 PM

Too early to tell. Neither has moved ahead in the pack yet. Andre' is the man for sure and will get more touches I think.

DetroitLions 08-31-2004 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TexanExile
Welcome to the board...short answer from me on this is that Rogers got hurt and hasn't had a chance to truly shine yet. AJ already has proven his ability over the course of a full season. We'll get a good chance to see more in week 2, eh?

Rogers has made some nice highlight-reel grabs in preseason.

i Agree, i am looking forward to week 2... Andre had a solid rookie season, but i havent seen alot of him... I really want to see how they both do this season..

Fiddy 08-31-2004 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by HoustonLionsFan
As a Lions fan that is new to Houston, I will answer you. Rogers injury last year prohibits a comparison at this time. But, IMO, it is difficult to compare them anyway. AJ is a bigger, more physical WR, while CR is a faster, downfield kind of WR. R Williams is a closer comparison to the AJ type of WR.

Yeah, but AJ and Rogers will always be compared because Rogers was #2 and AJ #3 in their draft...

And I really dont think that there is that big of a difference in their speed. Both of them ran track and I believe both won a bunch of races. And the 40 times werent that far off.

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They both ran 4.43 40s
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DetroitLions 08-31-2004 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Fiddy
Yeah, but AJ and Rogers will always be compared because Rogers was #2 and AJ #3 in their draft...

And I really dont think that there is that big of a difference in their speed. Both of them ran track and I believe both won a bunch of races. And the 40 times werent that far off.

I'll look for the 40 times.....

the only thing that makes me think Rogers is better then Andre is because Rogers had 1 less TD in about 1/3 of the games.. Andre seem to be promising though...

DetroitLions 08-31-2004 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 3rd Coast Playa
coming out of college rogers was more polished. he had supurb hands, quickness, speed and could catch in a crowd and was very much compaired to moss. but as far as all around intangibles i think thats got to be andre, i think he can do more things for the total offense, like everyone said up there^ we will see this season, i cant wait to see myself because over here in the camp' we get dallas and texans games on our both football channels on sundays at one time and not often did they even play a lions game. i wanna see if my pot'na dave out performs joey. cant wait till week 2.......

:D it is going to be good... There is going to be 2 sub-matchups in this game. Carr the #1 vs Harrington the #3, and Rogers the #2 vs Johnson the #3... i cant wait... I dont know if you all heard Mort, from ESPN, but he said he would take Carr over Joey, and he thinks Carr is the real deal... just something i thought u would like to know...

Fiddy 08-31-2004 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DetroitLions
the only thing that makes me think Rogers is better then Andre is because Rogers had 1 less TD in about 1/3 of the games.. Andre seem to be promising though...

I wouldnt put too much weight on TDs...


I believe it is alright to compare the first 5 games:
AJ averaged 5.6 catches for 79 yards a game with a 14.1 yards per catch average and had 2 TDs

CR averaged 4.4 catches for 48.6 yards per game with a 11 yard per catch average and had 3 TDs

TEXANS84 08-31-2004 09:08 PM

Whats going on with Roy up there? I watched about 1/3 of your game against the Browns...and I saw Roy drop at least three dead-on passes.

DetroitLions 08-31-2004 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TEXAN84
Whats going on with Roy up there? I watched about 1/3 of your game against the Browns...and I saw Roy drop at least three dead-on passes.

Well, he droped 1 very good ball, gator-armed, a highthrown ball but catchable ball, and the other one was a bad pass, and IMO wasnt very catchable... He did much better VS the Ravens though... 3 catches for 40 yards, and a bunch of YAC, and shook off Ray Lewis for his first reception...

HoustonLionsFan 08-31-2004 09:13 PM

Rookie Nerves?

I saw 2 dropped, and one at his knees. 1 he was double covered and almost made a spectacular 1 handed grab (but he could have got both hands on it), the other was thrown slightly behind him. Regardless, he should have had both. Last week he had 3 grabs for 40 yds against a stingy Bal D. 1 catch I saw him put his head down, plow into a safety and carry 3 defenders for an extra 5 yds. He'll have his ups and downs, but towards the end of the season he start lighting it up.

Panther5407 08-31-2004 09:16 PM

Andre cause hes had more games to develope so far. I havn't had the chance to watch Charles to much cause I dont get the game or hes been hurt. I just think Andre has developed more and is becoming a very noticible reciever in the league.

Fiddy 08-31-2004 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DetroitLions
:D it is going to be good... There is going to be 2 sub-matchups in this game. Carr the #1 vs Harrington the #3, and Rogers the #2 vs Johnson the #3... i cant wait...

Dont forget D-Rob (#10) against Roy Williams (#7)

It is going to be a great game....

DetroitLions 08-31-2004 09:20 PM

You Houston fans are classy... easy to talk to.. unlike the garbage packer and bears fans... you might as well be talking to a cage full fo monkeys... thanks for the insight, GL to the Texans, and may the best team win on week 2...

P.S. I really think the Texans have the top 3 best looking jerseys in the league.. :thumbup

DetroitLions 08-31-2004 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Fiddy
Dont forget D-Rob (#10) against Roy Williams (#7)

It is going to be a great game....

Speaking of D-rob, is he the #2, nickel back, or the dime back? Roy is the #2 WR, so i hope Dunta is the #2... alot of good matchups in this game..

RTP2110 08-31-2004 09:29 PM

Robinson plays RCB in the standard 3-4. He shifts inside to NB in nickel packages.

DetroitLions 08-31-2004 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RTP2110
Robinson plays RCB in the standard 3-4. He shifts inside to NB in nickel packages.

so i expect he will be lined up with Roy at least a few times then... :headbang:

SESupergenius 09-01-2004 12:08 AM

I'd have to say that Rogers will probably get more TD's this year if he stays healthy. The Lions seem to air it out more West Coast style than our ball controlling offense. Harrington threw almost double the amount of TD's (in addition to more INT's) so it's natural that the recievers are going to have better stats. But can you guage a WR on yards and TD's alone? No, but that is what he is payed to do, produce. Rogers in my opinion will have the better year stat wise because he is in an offense that can make him look good. (see T. Owens, J. Rice)


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