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Beastlyman2003 05-04-2004 12:39 PM

Its Time
 
Its time for Domanick Davis to come on out, and show the league how he can tear stuff up! He has the ability to get in the runnings for the Pro Bowl next year if Wade and Bruener get some push w/ the rest of the line. What ya'll think?

V Man 05-04-2004 12:41 PM

He is going for 2000 yards like he said (but I would be happy with 1400 and at least 8 wins). :D

Blake 05-04-2004 12:42 PM

2200 yards. 16-0.

V Man 05-04-2004 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DC_ROCK
2200 yards. 16-0.

I wouldn't mind that either :jumpbanan :jumpbanan .

El Tejano 05-04-2004 01:50 PM

From what I understand, many in the Houston area said they have seen him on TV and noticed the dude has bulked up so I imagine tackling him will be even harder.

SBTexans08 05-04-2004 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by V Man
He is going for 2000 yards like he said (but I would be happy with 1400 and at least 8 wins). :D


And if he doesn't....he's going to get a lot of heat from Houston. Houston is expecting a lot out of this guy that if he doesn't, he'll get critcized too much for it. I speak for those that claim to be "Texan fans" yet criticize them more than not. 9 out of 10 people I talk Texans to, I swear, talk bad about them ...as if we had a Super Bowl team our past years and the slightest improvement this team does isn't good enough. Their concept of the game is totally bogus.

As long as DD is consistent I'll be happy. He did tremendously great last year without starting the first 6 games last season, without Bruener also. He's starting this year and with the addition of Breuner to make holes for him I wouldn't be surprised if he made the 2,000 yrd mark. Come on September!

Fiddy 05-04-2004 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Beastlyman2003
Its time for Domanick Davis to come on out, and show the league how he can tear stuff up! He has the ability to get in the runnings for the Pro Bowl next year if Wade and Bruener get some push w/ the rest of the line. What ya'll think?

I made this point in another thread (I am pretty sure it was the probowl thread), but Davis has to get 2000 yards to get to the probowl. Its that simple. He has to compete with LT, Ricky Williams, Corey Dillion, Priest Holmes, Travis Henry, Jamal Lewis, Edge and Fred Taylor. LT got snubbed last year and he had like 1500 yards and a 100 catches.

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Originally Posted by El Tejano
From what I understand, many in the Houston area said they have seen him on TV and noticed the dude has bulked up so I imagine tackling him will be even harder.

I dont care if he bulked up, I want him to add some speed. He is very quick, but doesnt have the 2nd gear to pull away for a 50 yrd TD.

infantrycak 05-04-2004 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Fiddy
I made this point in another thread (I am pretty sure it was the probowl thread), but Davis has to get 2000 yards to get to the probowl. Its that simple. He has to compete with LT, Ricky Williams, Corey Dillion, Priest Holmes, Travis Henry, Jamal Lewis, Edge and Fred Taylor. LT got snubbed last year and he had like 1500 yards and a 100 catches.

I dont care if he bulked up, I want him to add some speed. He is very quick, but doesnt have the 2nd gear to pull away for a 50 yrd TD.

I agree that DD is a long shot--IMO going into the season, the easiest 3 RB's to see going to the pro-bowl are Lewis, Holmes and Tomlinson. Dillon went to the Patriots--not sure I see him grinding out 1500 yards in their offense. Portis is going to a new team and the new team is going to a whole new system--probably some adjustment period for both. Ricky only averaged 3.5 ypc last year and the Dolphins' whole O-line is new. Taylor seems to have a hard time finding the end-zone--with 50% (110) more carries, he had 2 less TD's. If healthy, I would expect DD to beat out Henry and Edge--his stats from last year projected over the season would have been significantly better. Still seems like one of the toughest positions to break into the pro-bowl.

More speed would be nice, but solid running and consistancy, i.e. not getting injured, is more important IMO. By the way DD did have a run over 50 yds last year--it was 51--to bad it didn't start at the 49. As another aside--Holmes' longest run was 31 yds. IMO Capers has good definitions for big plays--15 yards for runs, 20 yards for passes.

Fiddy 05-04-2004 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by infantrycak
...Portis is going to a new team and the new team is going to a whole new system--probably some adjustment period for both...

More speed would be nice, but solid running and consistancy, i.e. not getting injured, is more important IMO.

By the way DD did have a run over 50 yds last year--it was 51--to bad it didn't start at the 49. As another aside--Holmes' longest run was 31 yds. IMO Capers has good definitions for big plays--15 yards for runs, 20 yards for passes.

Portis is in the NFC, so he doesnt have to worry about him.

I do share the feeling that consistancy and not getting injured is more important. I was just saying that DD can get through the line as quick as anyone I can remember, but once he is past the line he is easily caught from behind. With a little more speed we could see some of his 15 yards runs, turn into 30 yard runs.

That 51 yard run was against the Bengals, I remember, but wasnt a break-away. He got caught from behind by one of the Bengals DBs. Thats where the speed would help. If it was Tony Hollings, it would have been a TD. Thats the difference between DD and Tony Hollings, DD can get through the hole quicker, but once past the line it is near impossible to catch Hollings (when his knee was full strength, I am hoping it is full strength this year), but then again maybe Hollings doesnt get through the hole in time. DD will be a steady back, Hollings will be the homerun back.

Reddevil63 05-04-2004 04:55 PM

Id be happy with 1200 yards and 13-15 TD's as long as Carr has time to throw and has a 3000+ yard year also. :thankyou:

texasduece 05-04-2004 05:07 PM

Cool board.

Thanks SteelBlue

You guys are forgetting Hollings, I've read were people think he may emerge as a starter. I think DD will go maybe 1300, It has a lot to do with the effectiveness of our passing game.

If Hollings emerges it would be a wonderful problem, Rookie of the year or the other great back.

scourge 05-04-2004 05:23 PM

I just hope this isnt history repeating itself... Back with the Oilers, there were a lot of "One hit wonders" at running back like Gary Brown, Rodney Thomas, Lorenzo White, etc, etc... good one year, **** the rest

BuffSoldier 05-04-2004 06:15 PM

DD is going for 2000. Probably not going to happen, but hay go for it. He probably gets about 1500. But think about what we had in year 1. Pro bowl would be hard, but if he got close to his 2000 and added in the receiving game like last year, wouldnt be a reach. YOU GO DD. YOU DA MAN. :woot:

aj. 05-04-2004 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Beastlyman2003
Its time for Domanick Davis to come on out, and show the league how he can tear stuff up! ... What ya'll think?

I think he won Pepsi Rookie of the Year last year.

Davis hasn't shown me that he's durable enough to withstand the pounding week in and week out.

Last year for example:

Training camp - broken hand - out 4 weeks
Week 3 - inactive - hip injury
Week 9 - chest/rib injury - had to leave game and did not return
Week 14 - inactive ankle/thigh injuries

Do any of you realize that 2000 yards is 400 carries at 5 yards per? If you get 320 carries out of the guy and he stays healthy it will be a major accomplishment. There were only 8 RBs in the league last year who had over 320 carries (20 per game avg.)

I have a feeling we'll see a lot of Hollings this year on third downs and in certain situations. If one guy gets 1500 and the other gets 500, that would be great. 125 rushing yards per game puts you in the top 10 in the league.

I stood next to DD back in February and there's no apparent bulk up - although I had nothing to compare it against. He's not a very big guy.

infantrycak 05-04-2004 09:01 PM

Following up on aj's comments, it would behove the Texans not to overrun DD even if he is playing fantastically for two reasons (1) to minimize the shear abuse of too many plays which increases the chance of injury and that he will be gone at a critical time and (2) to let Hollings develop so that wehn DD inevitably has injuries (as all RB's do) he isn't running in to take over having basically watched the games from the bench. It doesn't bother me a bit if the Texans have 2000 rushing yards split between two backs 1500/500, 1250/750 or 1000/1000--and the more towards the latter it is probably the more seemlessly the team will continue when one goes down.

TexanExile 05-04-2004 09:06 PM

Much as I'd love to see DD rack up 2000, it doesn't seem very likely and that is PERFECTLY FINE. If he finishes with 1200-1500, AJ's over 1000 yards receiving, and the Texans are piling up TDs and wins, none of us will really complain!

We haven't seen enough of Hollings to really KNOW. But I think it'll be easy for him to work into the lineup this year because the rest of the RB competition of last year is over.

My nightmare scenario, of course, is that Hollings' knee blows out again and DD has a year full of nagging injuries.

BuffSoldier 05-04-2004 09:14 PM

Usually people who get 2000 rushing in a season have little of no passing game, thats why they get so many carries. J. Lewis had a rokie QB and subpar WRs. He got the ball like every play.

B. Sanders(the best RB of all time) was basically the only weapon on his team his whole career. He got a lot of carries.

With the solid mix of run and pass our offense likes to run, it would be almost impossible for DD to get 2000 yards unless he averaged like 7 YARDS PER CARRY for the season and thats basically impossible. :bag:

caspian 05-04-2004 11:04 PM

I very much dislike "running-back-by-committee". I hope we do NOT do that. Pick the best guy, with the best combo of present performance and future potential, and give him the green light. Let him run with full confidence...not looking over his shoulder.

infantrycak 05-04-2004 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by caspian
I very much dislike "running-back-by-committee". I hope we do NOT do that. Pick the best guy, with the best combo of present performance and future potential, and give him the green light. Let him run with full confidence...not looking over his shoulder.

I don't like "running-back-by-committee" where it refers to a team with a bunch of mediocre backs that they keep subing in with the only real hope being they will be fresh and maybe every once in a while one will hit a groove. On the other hand spelling backs and getting inexperienced backs time is good conservation of assets.

As a contrary example look at Ricky Williams last year. The Dolphins ran him 76 times in weeks 2 & 3 last year. Even though they had a week 4 bye, the next week he had a 1.8 ypc and it was another 7 weeks until he broke 4 ypc--in that time he also had a 3.0 ypc week and 3 sub-3 ypc weeks. They are wearing a great back out.

caspian 05-05-2004 01:08 PM

There's a lot of room between Ricky Williams (who, incidentally, is also asked to play as a "pound the ball between the tackles" style) and a Hearst/Barlow combo.

The greatest backs usually play the game start to finish with appropriate breathers and there are plenty of examples. That's what I would want for either DD or Hollings.

If you agree, then we're on the same page. But it's true that if I were to err on one side or the other, I would err on the Ricky Williams extreme.


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