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thunderkyss 06-07-2014 04:17 AM

espn says "Texans: 25th best roster"
 
Which NFL teams have the best collections of players?
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http://espn.go.com/charts/2014/0602/...ineups-HOU.png
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Key: Blue=Elite; Green=High quality; Light green=Good starter; Yellow=Average starter; Orange=Below-average starter; Red=Poor starter; Gray=Not enough information; Purple=Rookie
25. Houston Texans
http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=...ansparent=true
Excitement is in the air in Houston at the prospect of teaming Jadeveon Clowney with J.J. Watt and unleashing destruction on opposing offenses, but the problem is that the roster is riddled with issues everywhere else.

Watt was the best player in football a year ago and a virtually unstoppable force inside, generating 85 total pressures and earning them at a rate of one every 6.1 rushing attempts -- a rate better than anybody not named Robert Quinn -- and yet the Texans still stumbled to just two wins on the season. Clowney will no doubt help, but the team needs a revamp elsewhere. The offensive line, not far removed from being the best unit in football, is suddenly a questionable entity now that they are moving away from the zone-blocking scheme that they executed so well. The defensive secondary is talented but inconsistent, and the biggest problem of all is that there is still no real answer at quarterback, with Ryan Fitzpatrick being a caretaker at best.

By the numbers: The Texans span the entire color-coded spectrum, with their projected starters featuring everything from a pair of blue-chippers to a rookie and a player in Jerrell Powe whom we just have not seen enough snaps to accurately quantify. The real issue, though, is with below-average players. Eight of them (33.3 percent) currently occupy places among the starting lineups.
FYI (if you're not an insider); Colts lead the AFC South at 12, Robert Mathis is their only elite player. Titans are 21st, & Jacksonville is 32nd.

Cowboys are 18th with no elite players.

Top ten:
  1. Seahawks
  2. 49ers
  3. Broncos
  4. Saints
  5. Eagles
  6. Patriots
  7. Bengals
  8. Packers
  9. Cardinals
  10. Native Americans wearing big feathered headdresses

EllisUnit 06-07-2014 07:19 AM

Re: espn says "Texans: 25th best roster"
 
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Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 2348739)
Which NFL teams have the best collections of players?FYI (if you're not an insider); Colts lead the AFC South at 12, Robert Mathis is their only elite player. Titans are 21st, & Jacksonville is 32nd.

Cowboys are 18th with no elite players.

Top ten:
  1. Seahawks
  2. 49ers
  3. Broncos
  4. Saints
  5. Eagles
  6. Patriots
  7. Bengals
  8. Packers
  9. Cardinals
  10. Native Americans wearing big feathered headdresses

Sounds like a BS favoritism list to me. I hate ignorant writers !

EllisUnit 06-07-2014 07:21 AM

Re: espn says "Texans: 25th best roster"
 
And how can you not list D. Brown, Foster and Cushing as elite players ? This whole list is just bad opinion.

thunderkyss 06-07-2014 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by EllisUnit (Post 2348758)
And how can you not list D. Brown, Foster and Cushing as elite players ? This whole list is just bad opinion.

They're actually just putting together the numbers PFF puts out... PFF who we all love because their stats show Jj Watt as the best defensive player in the league two years running, they're also the first to call DBrown Elite, outside of Houston... DB had an off year & Cush (& Arian) had season ending injuries.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/wp-...depth-HOU1.png

b0ng 06-07-2014 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by EllisUnit (Post 2348758)
And how can you not list D. Brown, Foster and Cushing as elite players ? This whole list is just bad opinion.

Foster and Cushing both had bad injuries, and Brown wasnt as good last year as previous seasons. I don't really agree but with how quickly players fall off it's not a terrible argument or opinion.

infantrycak 06-07-2014 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by b0ng (Post 2348761)
Foster and Cushing both had bad injuries, and Brown wasnt as good last year as previous seasons. I don't really agree but with how quickly players fall off it's not a terrible argument or opinion.

True. Seems their desire to be up to date would include shifting Reed to not enough information instead of using his rating as an OLB.

thunderkyss 06-07-2014 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by b0ng (Post 2348761)
Foster and Cushing both had bad injuries, and Brown wasnt as good last year as previous seasons. I don't really agree but with how quickly players fall off it's not a terrible argument or opinion.

True... the only thing I can fault them with is that they're focused on the past season, giving no consideration to previous seasons. But... they did the same with all teams, all players. Julio Jones is elite... Dez Bryant is elite... They're not showing it that way.

Would be nice to see the same "study" done looking through a three or four year window.

EllisUnit 06-07-2014 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 2348764)
True... the only thing I can fault them with is that they're focused on the past season, giving no consideration to previous seasons. But... they did the same with all teams, all players. Julio Jones is elite... Dez Bryant is elite... They're not showing it that way.

Would be nice to see the same "study" done looking through a three or four year window.

I just dont agree that we have the 25th best Roster, D Brown had an off year, Arian is back looks healthy and Cush is back. Jo Jo also had an off year, and i think KJ is better than they are giving him credit for.

Showtime100 06-07-2014 07:57 AM

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"ESPN says" and he starts a thread. Joke.

76Texan 06-07-2014 10:00 AM

Re: espn says "Texans: 25th best roster"
 
I think it's somewhat fair, but JC should at least move them up a place or two.
They might want to consider all the involved factors such a fiercer pass rush can help put the secondary in a better position or a better running game can help elevate other players as well.


For example, when the Texans can grind it out more, Newton won't look so bad as there are fewer pass snaps to help put him in the red.

Texian 06-07-2014 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 76Texan (Post 2348796)
For example, when the Texans can grind it out more, Newton won't look so bad as there are fewer pass snaps to help put him in the red.

From my understanding, O'Brien likes to throw more than Kubiak. Kubiak always strived for a 50%-50% run-pass ratio.

Playoffs 06-07-2014 10:25 AM

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I agree with the individual player ratings for us -- outside of the fact that Griffin is a Y & Graham is an H/move -- but I don't necessarily agree with the overall roster rankings. I think we're getting dinged harder for QB spot, which is understandable. I'll be surprised if Xavier Sua-Filo isn't starting at LG.

As I've stated many time before, our problem is with depth at a number of positions. A key injury could derail our season. I think we're a draft away from being ready to address the realities of a football season and contend.

drs23 06-07-2014 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Texian (Post 2348802)
From my understanding, O'Brien likes to throw more than Kubiak. Kubiak always strived for a 50%-50% run-pass ratio.

And I would agree. (Did I just type that?) BUT and there's always a BUT he KNOWS he can't do that this season. So he stocked up on big nasties in the trenches because like all wise coaches he's been following the board and has heeded steelb's passionate rant about doing same. This team is built to run it down the opposition's throat and make them like it all the while stifling whatever they try to do as an offense.

When he does get *that guy* or groom one of the whippersnappers he already has in the fold the air raid will commence.

My opinion, as stated prior, is that that's not going to be until midseason at best. I believe it's going to take that long for the 0 to jell into a unit that can be trusted and has shown that they can be on the same page and think as one.

Till then: A Cloud -0- Dust!!

xtruroyaltyx 06-07-2014 11:06 AM

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The texans were 2-14 last season. Even if, like me, you think it was largely due to poor coaching and Matt Schaub imploding lots of players on this team didn't play well. Or didn't play as well as we think they should.

Of course they are going to rank us low.

I don't fully agree with their list. Really I think it's useless. But I get why they have us where we are.

eriadoc 06-07-2014 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 2348764)
True... the only thing I can fault them with is that they're focused on the past season, giving no consideration to previous seasons. But... they did the same with all teams, all players.

Well, to be fair, they also aren't projecting things either. As in, how good will Cushing be after two consecutive knee surgeries? Some of the greatest players in the game have had their careers turn ordinary because of injury.

I'm a little more optimistic about the OL than they are, and I think a couple guys they listed as average or below average have some improvement in their future.

76Texan 06-07-2014 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Texian (Post 2348802)
From my understanding, O'Brien likes to throw more than Kubiak. Kubiak always strived for a 50%-50% run-pass ratio.

There's no telling what the offense will actually look like.

Last year, Penn St. Averaged nearly 42 rushes as compared with 34 pass attempts.
(Without taking into accounts sacks and not knowing how many QB scrambles were supposed to be pass plays.) - with a Fr QB
The previous year, it was 40/38 in favor of the run. - with a Sr QB

He will probably have a more passing oriented offense for this level, but we don't know yet.
At any rate, I still think that the running game works, he'll stay with it more.
There's always the chance he'll call more pass plays to the RB, but that really is just an extension of the running game, IMO.

Playoffs 06-07-2014 12:02 PM

Re: espn says "Texans: 25th best roster"
 
League rank & passing play percentage: O'Brien compared to Texans
2011
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14        New England        58.90%

31        Houston                47.77%


2010

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11        Houston                58.89%

25        New England        54.70%


2009
(Kyle Shanahan)
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9        Houston                59.25%

14        New England        57.51%

assuming these stats are good: http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stats/

b0ng 06-07-2014 12:08 PM

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If O'Brien is as committed to getting Foster more passes then I think that the pass run ratio is going to be higher than at least the last year of the Kubiak regime.

infantrycak 06-07-2014 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Playoffs (Post 2348831)
League rank & passing play percentage: O'Brien compared to Texans
2011
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14        New England        58.90%

31        Houston                47.77%


2010

Code:

11        Houston                58.89%

25        New England        54.70%


2009
(Kyle Shanahan)
Code:

9        Houston                59.25%

14        New England        57.51%

assuming these stats are good: http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stats/

2011 almost needs to be thrown out because the numbers are skewed by Schaub going down so they ran the hell out of the ball with Yates.

Playoffs 06-07-2014 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 2348835)
2011 almost needs to be thrown out because the numbers are skewed by Schaub going down so they ran the hell out of the ball with Yates.

Yeah, good note, but it's rounds out the 3 years OB was calling plays in NE.


Interesting Passing Play Percentages/Rankings for 2013...
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13        Denver                59.68%
18        New England        57.93%
31        San Francisco        47.77%
32        Seattle                47.29%



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