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steelbtexan 04-12-2014 09:12 AM

Steel B's Mock 2.0
 
Rd.1 Jadeveon -DE/OLB South Carolina,6'5, 266 Lbs, 4.5- It came down to Clowney or Robinson and the thought of pairing Clowney with Watt was to great to turn down. Pairing the explosive Clowney with Watt helps greatly improve the Texans anemic pass rush.

2. Jimmy Garappolo- QB Eastern Illinois, 6'2, 225 Lbs, 4.9. Garappolo has a strong arm/quick release and is a great decision maker. He moves around very well, which is what won me over when it came to 2nd tier prospects like Murray/Mettenberger/Savage.

3. Marcus Martin- C/OG USC, 6'3, 320 Lbs, 5.2, Martin played OG before moving to C last yr. He will start off at OG for a couple of yrs the replace Myers at C., like the Seahawks did with Unger. Martin is a big athletic Mauler who when put next to D.Brown helps solve the 3rd &short/red zone woes. This puts Ques where he belongs at his natural OT position. Martin is every bit as good as the more highly rated Fu'a -Filo. IMHO A steal in the 3rd rd.

4. Jordan Zumwalt- ILB/OLB UCLA 6'4 235, 4.7- Zumwalt is a fast instinctive ILB who's intensity makes him a great pairing with Cushing. He's what the Texans have been missing next o Cushing for yrs. A sure tackler who has good enough speed/instinct to cover the TE. The other great thing about drafting Zumwalt is he played in a pro style 3-4 under Mora at UCLA so there should be less of a learning curve.

4. Daniel McCullers- DE/NT Tennessee, 6'6 352 Lbs, 5.2- McCullers is a huge man who was miscast as a NT in college. Being a huge man he was asked to play too many snaps and wore down as games got into the 4th qter. He's too tall to play NT in the NFL but will make a great 5 tech in RAC's defense. MCullers holds up great against the double teams allowing Cushing, Zumwalt/Clowney/Reed to roam. He' also should make a great pairing with Watt batting down passes. I also considered Taylor Hart here, a big high motor/ athletic guy.

5. Micheal Campanaro- WR Wake Forest, 5'9 193 LBS 4.5, BOB gets his Wes Welker for the Texans offense. Campanaro is a fast/shifty slot WR who ran in the high 4.4's at the combine. He also has great hands. He also can KR/PR. Sounds a lot like Welker too me.

6. Beau Allen- NT Wisconsin, 6'3 333 Lbs, 5.2- Allen is a claasic run stuffing NT. He is strong against double teams and consistently holds up against the run. Allen isn't a pass rusher but has a good 1st step for such a big man. Allen/Powe give the Texans the big NT's that fans have been wanting tor yrs. Finally the NT's will keep Cushing/Zumwalt clean.

6. Matt Patchan- OT/OG Boston College 6'6 302 LBS, 5.0- Patchan was a highly decorated OL coming out of high school. He went to Miami and got hurt, transferred to Boston College and got hurt again in an offseason motorcycle accident. He was finally healthy for his Sr yr and helped pave the way for Andre Williams phenominal yr. Patchan is as gifted as any OL in this draft but has had 2 ACL surgeries in his college career. I really like him and would be willing to trade up into the 5th rd to get him. If he stays healthy you get a 5th rd starter. He's that good, well worth the risk. High character guy.

7. Demetri Goodson- CB Baylor 5'11, 194 Lbs, 4.4- Goodson is a former basketball player who played really well for Art Briles last yr. he's got good speed and can turn his hips and run, an upgrade over McCain as the nickel CB. Since Goodson is new to playing football I chose him at this spot because I think he has the most upside of any of the CB's left on the board. At the very least he will help upgrade a putrid ST's. Plus bringing a talent hometown guy home can never be a bad thing?

This draft fills most of the holes and adds badly needed speed to the team. I would also like to add a speedy 3rd down RB like LaDarius Perkins to the mix but couldn't find a spot for him. Maybe Rick can sign him or George Atkinson III as FA's.

I put a lot of thought into this mock and all feedback would be greatly appreciated. Let the critiques begin.

infantrycak 04-12-2014 09:24 AM

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Was there an unspoken trade(s) in there somewhere? - you are two picks short. You could use one on that TE who may drop due to drug use iirc, name escapes me at the moment.

A 352 lb DE who wears down? We'd have the heaviest front 3 in the NFL.

Were Patchan's surgeries both on the same knee or one on each?

I haven't been paying attention - is there a kicker worth spending the Mr. Irrelevant pick on?

thunderkyss 04-12-2014 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by steelbtexan (Post 2325179)
Rd.1 Jadeveon -DE/OLB South Carolina

2. Jimmy Garappolo- QB Eastern Illinois

3. Marcus Martin- C/OG USC

4. Jordan Zumwalt- ILB/OLB

4. Daniel McCullers- DE/NT Tennessee

5. Micheal Campanaro- WR Wake Forest

6. Beau Allen- NT Wisconsin

6. Matt Patchan- OT/OG Boston College

7. Demetri Goodson- CB Baylor

Hell Yeah!!


I can dig it. Watt, Clowney, McCullers.....

steelbtexan 04-12-2014 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 2325185)
Was there an unspoken trade(s) in there somewhere? - you are two picks short. You could use one on that TE who may drop due to drug use iirc, name escapes me at the moment.

A 352 lb DE who wears down? We'd have the heaviest front 3 in the NFL.

Were Patchan's surgeries both on the same knee or one on each?

I haven't been paying attention - is there a kicker worth spending the Mr. Irrelevant pick on?

What' rds were the extra picks that I missed in? In this case give me Colt Lyerla TE Oregon and Ladarius Perkins with the extra picks.

I don't worry about a 352 Lbs 5 tech, he will hold up against the run and keep the OLB's clean. Rushing the passer isn't a requirement for a 5 tech As far as wearing down goes I think McCullers will be very effective playing 50 snaps a game. instead of the 75-80 they asked him to play at Tennesseee. Like Bum Phillips once said about Bob Young as he got older, would you rather have a great player playing 3 qters or an avg player playing 4 qters? With Crick subbing in for Watt and McCullers and Allen subbing in for Powe the DL should stay fresh thoughout the game. This was one of the biggest problems with the Texans defense last yr. IMHO

I read one of CND's posts in another thread and I believe Patchan has injured both knees.

infantrycak 04-12-2014 09:58 AM

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I should have said overall, and especially with the other two picks, really like the draft. I'd put Watkins in over Clowney but despite what some may think I am not going to throw anything if Clowney (or for that matter Robinson) are selected.

steelbtexan 04-12-2014 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 2325192)
Hell Yeah!!


I can dig it. Watt, Clowney, McCullers.....


Yep,

With McCullers and Allen you would have a great run defense. On 3rd and longs you could go with a 4-3 look of Mercilus/Crick/Watt/Clowney. That should provide the pass rush that's been missing. The defense would also be very scheme diverse. The only thing the defense would be missing would be a 3rd CB and I think you could pick up a vet min guy like Rashean Mathis to fill that role.

steelbtexan 04-12-2014 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 2325201)
I should have said overall, and especially with the other two picks, really like the draft. I'd put Watkins in over Clowney but despite what some may think I am not going to throw anything if Clowney (or for that matter Robinson) are selected.

I'm in this boat, whoever they pick minus Teddy, I will be happy with the pick. The fine china will remain safe. LOL

kiwitexansfan 04-12-2014 01:20 PM

Re: Steel B's Mock 2.0
 
Missed a 6th and 7th.

Good logic behind the draft.

Not totally sold on Garoppolo yet but what do I know.

NCTexan 04-12-2014 06:48 PM

Re: Steel B's Mock 2.0
 
Not a Garoppolo fan, and I'm not sure how I feel about Clowney. Besides that I like the mock a lot.

leebigeztx 04-12-2014 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NCTexan (Post 2325332)
Not a Garoppolo fan, and I'm not sure how I feel about Clowney. Besides that I like the mock a lot.


Me too. Garopolo is getting a lot of play,but to me,he's case keenum. If he were like kapas a big guy with a cannon and great athlete,I could buy it,but garapolo looks like a career backup. I'm not taking that dude in the 2nd rd.

Corrosion 04-12-2014 07:32 PM

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I only have one complaint.


If there is no QB worth taking 1:1 .... There is no QB worth taking in the entire draft. Either you get a franchise guy or you don't.

thunderkyss 04-12-2014 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Corrosion (Post 2325345)
I only have one complaint.


If there is no QB worth taking 1:1 .... There is no QB worth taking in the entire draft. Either you get a franchise guy or you don't.

You wouldn't draft Flacco at 18 or Roethlisberger at 11 or Rodgers at 26 or Russell Wilson in the third...

guys are selected closer to 1-1 the more likely that they'll be a franchise QB. Being picked in the 6th round, or even undrafted does not preclude a prospect from being a franchise (even HoF) QB in this league. It just says that it isn't likely.

The Pencil Neck 04-12-2014 07:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Corrosion (Post 2325345)
I only have one complaint.


If there is no QB worth taking 1:1 .... There is no QB worth taking in the entire draft. Either you get a franchise guy or you don't.

So... no Russell Wilson, No Colin Kaepernick, no Tom Brady...

Just because you draft a QB who needs some development doesn't mean he can't develop into a Franchise Guy. And just because you need a Franchise Guy to start, doesn't mean you don't need a backup in case he gets injured.

I think what you're saying is very, very short-sighted and very, very naive strategically.

ObsiWan 04-12-2014 08:29 PM

Re: Steel B's Mock 2.0
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by steelbtexan (Post 2325179)
Rd.1 Jadeveon -DE/OLB South Carolina
2. Jimmy Garappolo- QB Eastern Illinois
3. Marcus Martin- C/OG USC
4. Jordan Zumwalt- ILB/OLB
4. Daniel McCullers- DE/NT Tennessee
5. Micheal Campanaro- WR Wake Forest
6. Beau Allen- NT Wisconsin
6. Matt Patchan- OT/OG Boston College
7. Demetri Goodson- CB Baylor

No OT until the 6th??
and I thought I had you on the Robinson bandwagon
:)

steelbtexan 04-12-2014 09:16 PM

Re: Steel B's Mock 2.0
 
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Originally Posted by leebigeztx (Post 2325335)
Me too. Garopolo is getting a lot of play,but to me,he's case keenum. If he were like kapas a big guy with a cannon and great athlete,I could buy it,but garapolo looks like a career backup. I'm not taking that dude in the 2nd rd.

A better version of Bridgewater?

I see a lot of a less wild Romo in Garappolo. Strong arm/movement skills.

steelbtexan 04-12-2014 09:19 PM

Re: Steel B's Mock 2.0
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Corrosion (Post 2325345)
I only have one complaint.


If there is no QB worth taking 1:1 .... There is no QB worth taking in the entire draft. Either you get a franchise guy or you don't.

I like Garapollo a lot. I would be willing to trade back into the 1st rd between 20-26 to pick him. Does that make him a franchise QB? Who knows. I wouldn't have a problem waiting until 2015 to pick a QB.

steelbtexan 04-12-2014 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ObsiWan (Post 2325358)
No OT until the 6th??
and I thought I had you on the Robinson bandwagon
:)

I wavered back and forth between Robinson and Clowney. What do you think of the mock? I like Martin a lot too and think he will be there at 3-1. He's a mauler and the thought of Martin and Brown on the left side is very appealing. I also see Ques as a huge upgrade at RT. Just because Kubiak saw Ques as a LG doesn't mean BOB does. Patchan is as talented as any OT in this draft not named Robinson.

steelbtexan 04-12-2014 09:26 PM

Re: Steel B's Mock 2.0
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NCTexan (Post 2325332)
Not a Garoppolo fan, and I'm not sure how I feel about Clowney. Besides that I like the mock a lot.

What do you not like about Garappolo?

infantrycak 04-12-2014 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 2325350)
You wouldn't draft Flacco at 18 or Roethlisberger at 11 or Rodgers at 26

Would it really have been a mistake to have taken any of those guys 1.1? No.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck (Post 2325352)
So... no Russell Wilson, No Colin Kaepernick, no Tom Brady...

All three were drafted as backups. 1 is possibly the greatest surprise of NFL history so I don't know why anyone uses him as an example of anything but blind luck.

Also they better be thinking more than "may turn out" or "we need a backup too" with the 2.1. If they take someone at 2.1 I'm going to give them benefit of the doubt that they believe he likely will be a franchise QB because otherwise I think they are screwing the pooch.

thunderkyss 04-13-2014 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 2325378)
Would it really have been a mistake to have taken any of those guys 1.1? No.

Was that the question? Or are you just trolling?


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