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mussop 03-31-2014 12:58 PM

Should foster be next to go?
 
I know foster has a lot off supporters here but when you look at his mileage, contract, injury history and current off field issues it should be considered. I believe his value will only decline from this point forward. IMO we should seeing what we can get in return for him in a trade.

There should be some very good backs available late in this draft.

Texaninlild 03-31-2014 01:05 PM

Re: Should foster be next to go?
 
He will have the season to get right because we currently do not have a better option. I suspect this will be his last season here and we will draft or pick-up some UFAs to fill the backup role.

Tailgate 03-31-2014 01:09 PM

Re: Should foster be next to go?
 
Just a tid bit.. salary and cap hit stay roughly 5 and 9 million respectively over the remainder of his contract. 7.5 dead money this yr, 5 million next, 2.5 last yr.

All depends on his current value and what we would get in return. Everything is for sale. Just depends.

mussop 03-31-2014 01:12 PM

Re: Should foster be next to go?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texaninlild (Post 2320438)
He will have the season to get right because we currently do not have a better option. I suspect this will be his last season here and we will draft or pick-up some UFAs to fill the backup role.

The point is this is a rebuilding year and he probably doesn't have much value left after this year so why not get something for him now while we still can?

Mr teX 03-31-2014 01:29 PM

Re: Should foster be next to go?
 
Not released...but he should be the next 1 they ask to take a pay cut though...given his off season shenanigans & his injury history the last 2 years. He's got to be brought back into affordability.

infantrycak 03-31-2014 01:30 PM

Re: Should foster be next to go?
 
There is negligible cap savings to trading him. He is coming off an injury and hasn't had an opportunity to show he has recovered. Combine that with the Texans trying to trade him and his value will be squat. Let him play next year and then re-ask the question.

Troy Chapman 03-31-2014 01:30 PM

Re: Should foster be next to go?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mussop (Post 2320444)
The point is this is a rebuilding year and he probably doesn't have much value left after this year so why not get something for him now while we still can?

Not sure you can get anything for a high paid RB coming off back surgery and constant hamstring issues. I believe Arian will remain for one more year. Very good 3 down back regardless.

The Pencil Neck 03-31-2014 01:34 PM

Re: Should foster be next to go?
 
I don't think this is the good time for that.

I don't think he's going to be what he was in the past but he should still give us a few good games.

BUT.

When you look at the Patriot model for using RBs, they tend to platoon the position (although they had some pretty good success with Corey Dillon as the feature back, iirc). I'm expecting them to move to that 2-3 back rotation that NE uses. So Foster's career could be extended because he'll be used more in rotation and situationally. I was a little surprised we didn't go after Blount.

badboy 03-31-2014 01:38 PM

Re: Should foster be next to go?
 
I vote no at least for now. Apparently he is healthy & if he can get a reduced load, could be excellent. We need to bring in a replacement though & I was leaning towards Knoshown Moreno before he went to Miami. I like Carlos Hyde @#33 with a trade to Browns getting #4 & #26 but am mocking no RB until third day with Storm Johnson UCF.

steelbtexan 03-31-2014 01:43 PM

Re: Should foster be next to go?
 
No for this yr.

Yes if he isn't his old self next yr.

Marcus 03-31-2014 02:22 PM

Re: Should foster be next to go?
 
I think the better question should be...

Should he have been given that big money contract to begin with?

IDEXAN 03-31-2014 02:29 PM

Re: Should foster be next to go?
 
What are the cap savings for releasing him now ? If they are significant I would lean towards releasing him. He's had a few real good years here, once was named to the All-Pro team if I'm not mistaken and he finally got that one big pay day after receiving little compensation comparativly speaking when first signing with the Texans as an UDFA when initially coming into the league. He'll soon be 28, and there's the history with the injures, and most of all a new HC who wants his own guys on the roster.

ObsiWan 03-31-2014 02:32 PM

Re: Should foster be next to go?
 
This is another question that cannot be answered until it's too late.

Two important factors need careful analysis before one can give an intelligent answer:
1) Will he be the pre-contract/pre-injury Foster in 2014?
and
2) How important will Foster's running style and talents be in the new O'Brien offense?

Does O'Brien need a 25-30 carry/game RB like Kubiak's offense did? Or will O'Brien - as N.E. seems to do - run a lot of delays, draws, and screens that can be achieved by committee?

If the answer is yes to the 25-30 carry/game question AND Foster is the 2011 Foster, then we keep him. IF our newfangled offense mirrors the Patriot offense where you mainly run when you catch the defense with the wrong personnel set on the field then maybe RBBC will do just fine and we try to trade him.

After getting a 6th for Schaub I'm shopping EVERYbody around before they're just plain released. Never hurts to ask.

My answer to the original question: I don't know yet.

htownfan32 03-31-2014 02:36 PM

Re: Should foster be next to go?
 
Baltimore has a lot of picks and needs a RB. Just saying :swatter:


However, I think it'd be good to give Foster a year. I admit I'm curious to see how O'Brien's offense incorporates him into the attack. Foster running well could also help our rookie QB/Keenum/Yates/Fitzpatrick/whoever settle down through the year.

ThaShark316 03-31-2014 02:41 PM

Re: Should foster be next to go?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcus (Post 2320507)
I think the better question should be...

Should he have been given that big money contract to begin with?

It was a bargain considering all the money guys like DeAngelo Williams got. *shudder*

thunderkyss 03-31-2014 02:45 PM

Re: Should foster be next to go?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 2320454)
There is negligible cap savings to trading him.

This is where I'm at. What's the point?

Far as I know, the guy can still play. You're not going to sign a replacement for what you'll be saving. I have no problem with the Texans drafting his replacement, & letting that guy show that he can be as good as Tate was when he was healthy.

We'll save $1M if we cut him this year. $4M to cut/trade him next year.

Makes more sense to have this discussion after the 2014 season.

revan 03-31-2014 02:55 PM

Re: Should foster be next to go?
 
Can we at least see if the guy is back to form?. We just let Tate walk and now you guys want to let Foster go too?.

Hervoyel 03-31-2014 03:03 PM

Re: Should foster be next to go?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mussop (Post 2320432)
I know foster has a lot off supporters here but when you look at his mileage, contract, injury history and current off field issues it should be considered. I believe his value will only decline from this point forward. IMO we should seeing what we can get in return for him in a trade.

There should be some very good backs available late in this draft.

I said "No" but it was really more of a "Not quite yet'. I know the day is coming and I know that we maybe even run the risk of keeping him a year too long but Foster even last year until he got hurt was a complete game changer for us. Ben Tate and all the guys who came after him weren't even close to being what Foster was when he was healthy. I think with a new QB coming in (and I think a young QB will be starting by mid-season if we take one) we would be foolish taking a veteran like Foster away from him.

Maybe next year. I know one thing. By next year the answer to this question will be apparent to everyone.

Thorn 03-31-2014 03:07 PM

Re: Should foster be next to go?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 2320530)
Makes more sense to have this discussion after the 2014 season.

This. A thousand times this. Unless Foster is injured again and becomes useless forever, he could very well have a season or two left in him of greatness. We have ZERO RBs worth a damn on the roster other than Foster as it is, lets not get rid of the only RB we have that we know can play.

thunderkyss 03-31-2014 03:09 PM

Re: Should foster be next to go?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hervoyel (Post 2320548)
...but Foster even last year until he got hurt was a complete game changer for us. Ben Tate and all the guys who came after him weren't even close to being what Foster was when he was healthy. I think with a new QB coming in (and I think a young QB will be starting by mid-season if we take one) we would be foolish taking a veteran like Foster away from him.
.

Just imagine if we fix our OL issues.


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