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Playoffs 02-17-2014 02:15 PM

Mike Mayock 2014 NFL Draft
 
Mike Mayock's position rankings for 2014 NFL Draft

Quarterback
1. Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville
2. Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M
3. Blake Bortles, Central Florida
4. Derek Carr, Fresno State
5. AJ McCarron, Alabama

Running back
1. Carlos Hyde, Ohio State
2. Jeremy Hill, LSU
3. Bishop Sankey, Washington
4. Andre Williams, Boston College
5. Tre Mason, Auburn

Wide receiver
1. Sammy Watkins, Clemson
2. Marqise Lee, USC
3. Mike Evans, Texas A&M
4. Kelvin Benjamin, Florida State
5. Jarvis Landry, LSU

Tight end
1. Eric Ebron, North Carolina
2. Austin Seferian-Jenkins, Washington
3. Jace Amaro, Texas Tech
4. Troy Niklas, Notre Dame
5. C.J. Fiedorowicz, Iowa

Center
1. Marcus Martin, USC
2. Weston Richburg, Colorado State
3. Travis Swanson, Arkansas
4. Bryan Stork, Florida State
5. Gabe Ikard, Oklahoma

Guard
1. David Yankey, Stanford
2. Xavier Su'a-Filo, UCLA
3. Gabe Jackson, Mississippi State
4. Chris Watt, Notre Dame
5. Cyril Richardson, Baylor

Offensive tackle
1. Jake Matthews, Texas A&M
2. Greg Robinson, Auburn
3. Taylor Lewan, Michigan
4. Zack Martin, Notre Dame
5. Cyrus Kouandjio, Alabama

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Defensive tackle
1. Louis Nix, Notre Dame
2. Timmy Jernigan, Florida State
3. Aaron Donald, Pittsburgh
4. Ra'Shede Hageman, Minnesota
5. Dominique Easley, Florida

Defensive end
1. Jadeveon Clowney, South Carolina
2. Kony Ealy, Missouri
3. Dee Ford, Auburn
4. Scott Crichton, Oregon State
5. Trent Murphy, Stanford

Linebacker
1. Khalil Mack, Buffalo
2. C.J. Mosley, Alabama
3. Anthony Barr, UCLA
4. Chris Borland, Wisconsin
5. Ryan Shazier, Ohio State

Cornerback
1. Darqueze Dennard, Michigan State
2. Justin Gilbert, Oklahoma State
3. Kyle Fuller, Virginia Tech
4. Jason Verrett, TCU
5. Bradley Roby, Ohio State

Safety
1. Calvin Pryor, Louisville
2. Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Alabama
3. Lamarcus Joyner, Florida State
4. Jimmie Ward, Northern Illinois
5. Deone Bucannon, Washington State

TexansFTW 02-17-2014 03:04 PM

Re: Mike Mayock 2014 NFL Draft
 
I don't like Lee nearly as much as I like the other WRs. I just don't see it and I hate his height.

Does anyone have an idea about his speed? I've seen him burn past defenders and I've seen him get totally caught from behind. Really interested to see his 40 time, but I still will like him least of those 4 probably (still ahead of Landry).

It's crazy to me how Calvin Pryor has burned his way up these boards and frankly I don't like it. People knew who Pryor was all season because most eyes were on TB (therefore on him by proxy (I think I used that word right)), but somehow he doesn't move up the ranks until AFTER the season ends (nearly 30-45 positions on most big boards).

Not comfortable with that, but I definitely like the player, just not as the first safety.

Texian 02-17-2014 03:54 PM

Re: Mike Mayock 2014 NFL Draft
 
If Mayock stays true to form most every category will change to include rankings, adds, and drops after the completion of the Combine. Additional changes will follow the Combine as the progression of Pro Days goes through completion.

Playoffs 02-18-2014 01:46 PM

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tweets read bottom(oldest)-to-top

CollegeFootball 24/7 ‏@NFL_CFB
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Mayock: I root for @NIUAthletics' Jordan Lynch. I like his attitude. Hope he gets shot at QB.

Mayock: Jimmy Garappolo helped himself at @Shrine_Game + @seniorbowl. Went from mid-to-late round question mark to 2nd or 3rd rounder.

Mayock: If Carlos Hyde goes in 1st round, won't surprise me. With RB position being devalued, he probably goes in 2nd.

Mayock: Dominique Easley went from top-25 pick to 3rd- or 4th-round pick after 2nd ACL injury.

Mayock: Cyrus Kouandjio up and down last season. Had bad Sugar Bowl. ... Meetings w/ teams at combine will be important for him.

Mayock: Derek Carr not a Pro Bowl-type starter in @NFL, but he'll be a competent starter.

Mayock: Colt Lyerla a 1st- or 2nd-round talent. Would guess, because of character concerns, he'll get picked on 3rd day of draft.

Mayock: @WinTheDay's De'Anthony Thomas a wild card. Probably goes somewhere in 4th-round area.

Mayock: If I'm GM of #Texans, I'm trying to get comfortable with one of these QBs. I'm intrigued by Manziel.

Mayock: Bridgewater and Bortles could both be good QBs, but not ready to say either will be All-Pro QB.

Mayock: The more tape I watch of Bridgewater, Manziel and Bortles, the more questions I have. I could pick apart all 3 of them.

Mayock: Wide range of opinions on @NDFootball's Louis Nix + Stephon Tuitt. They've become lightning rods around the league.

Mayock: If @HoustonTexans pair Clowney w/ Watt, would be awesome + mirror what @Seahawks have done in loading up on pass rushers.

Mayock: Seantrel Henderson one of biggest boom-or-bust guys in draft. ... Probably a 4th-round pick this year.

Mayock: One of my favorite players in draft is LSU's Jarvis Landry. Reminds me a little bit of Hines Ward.

Mayock: @ClemsonTigers' Sammy Watkins is special player. Usually don't get excited about drafting a WR in top 10. He's different.

Mayock: In a perfect world, you'd have fewer underclassmen entering draft, but it has helped 1st-round talent pool.

Mayock: Without injury, still don't think Zach Mettenberger is 1st- or 2nd-rounder. Not a guy who can start from Day One.

Mayock: @ChicagoBears should sprint to podium if Jernigan available at No. 14.

Mayock: Timmy Jernigan can step in and be special early.

Mayock: Bridgewater, Manziel, Bortles locked in as draft's top 3 QBs.

Mayock: @FSAthletics' Derek Carr fits into the end of the 1st round.

Mayock: @MSU_Football's Darqueze Dennard a top-15 pick. My favorite CB in draft.

Mayock: If Taylor Lewan falls to @Giants at No. 12, I'd be all over him.

Mayock: @NDFootball's Troy Niklas could be best blocking TE in @nfl in a few years. Likely a 2nd-round pick.

Mayock: Bridgewater not as much of a wild card as Manziel and more developed in reads than Bortles.

Mayock: Won't be surprised if @nyjets pick more than 1 WR this year.

Mayock: My concern with Clowney is his mental makeup. ... Will he be happy to just be a millionaire?

Mayock: Clowney has physical makeup to be best player in draft. Better player w/ more upside than Mario Williams had as prospect.

Mayock: Michael Sam a tweener. Should go between third- to fifth-round.

Mayock: Jace Amaro, Ra'Shede Hageman could be available/make sense for @Patriots in 1st round.

Mayock: Teddy Bridgewater is most NFL-ready QB in the draft.

Mayock: Mike Evans and Marqise Lee should be picked in 10-20 range.

Mayock: Calvin Pryor like a bigger, stronger Bob Sanders.

Mayock: @BadgerFootball's Chris Borland could be the Kiko Alonso of this year's draft.

Mayock: 14th overall pick not too early to pick Kony Ealy.

Mayock: Kony Ealy not quite as athletic as Aldon Smith, but probably more physical.

Mayock: @FootballAU's Greg Robinson has most upside of any OL in draft.

Mayock: @AggieFootball's Jake Matthews safest pick in the draft.

Mayock: Eric Ebron is a top-10 pick to me.

Mayock mentions Bishop Sankey, Marqise Lee and Colt Lyerla among players he's most interested to see at combine.

Mayock: I believe in Manziel. Team will have to live with negative plays, though.

Mayock on Manziel: He doesn't like being confined. The more he was in the pocket, the more frustrated he got.

Mayock: Manziel looks like combination of Doug Flutie and Fran Tarkenton.

Mayock: Lamarcus Joyner compares to Tyrann Mathieu. Similar explosiveness, fit in NFL.

Mayock: My favorite nickel corner in draft is Jason Verrett. Only reason he's not top-20 pick is size.

Mayock: I think offensive tackle is deep. Could go 3-4 rounds deep and get a starting OT.

Mayock: Khalil Mack runs like a safety. Explodes off the edge. One of elite edge guys in draft. I've yet to find a hole in his game.

Mayock: I think Kyle Fuller is a first-round talent + a first-round lock with sub-4.5 40.

Mayock: I think Khalil Mack is a top-five pick.

Mayock on conference call: This is deepest and best draft class I've seen in 10 years.

Mike Mayock getting set to talk with reporters on conference call about 2014 #NFLDraft. We'll live tweet the best of ...

Brian T. Smith ‏@ChronBrianSmith
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NFL Network's Mayock said Manziel's local factor shouldn't be an issue when #Texans make No. 1 pick. Ownership also shouldn't be involved.

#NFL Network's Mike Mayock said if #Texans aren't in love with a top-three QB, picking another position or trading down makes most sense.

NFL Network's Mike Mayock said Blake Bortles is the most undeveloped among top-three QB selections. #NFL #Texans

Nothing Mayock said made Manziel sound like the clear consensus No. 1 pick or worthy of being taken first overall by #Texans. #NFL

Like other analysts, Mayock made it clear Manziel has a lot to work on in the pocket. Biggest #NFL liability at this point.

Still, Mayock said he believes in Manziel. Likely a top-10 pick. Maybe top five. #NFL

Other viewings showed Manziel frustrated and clearly inefficient in the pocket. "NFL teams are going to clue into that very quickly."

Others
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Mayock says Clowney is a better prospect than Mario Williams was when Williams went No. 1 overall in 2005.

Mayock on other qb possibilities:... A.J. McCarron 2nd or 3rd.

Mayock thinks Notre Dame LT Zack Martin, with 52 career starts, can play anywhere on offensive line, impressed at LT, LG at Senior Bowl

Mayock on Allen Robinson: "solid 2nd round, good strength and size... I want to see more burst and ability to separate"

Mayock suggests pairing Clowney with J.J. Watt "would be pretty awesome." I agree, personally. Why has this not been more widely discussed?

Mike Mayock on 2014 quarterback class "None of these guys are Andrew Luck. None of these guys are Peyton Manning, a slam dunk, an easy one."

NFL Network's Mike Mayock said if #Texans trade down from No. 1, they may be willing to move down farther than usual b/c of quality of draft

Mayock on Nevin Lawson: A quick-footed kid. Kind of a natural nickel. I want to see how fast he really is like all the corners. #USU #NFL

Mayock on Tyler Larsen: He's a tough, smart kid. Want to see him move in some of the offensive line drills. Don't care about 40. #USU #NFL

“I really like the tailback from Washington, Sankey,” Mayock said. “I want to see him catch the football (more). … I think he can be a lot like the kid out of North Carolina at Cincinnati, Giovani Bernard.”

If Sankey is able to prove himself a reliable receiver out of the backfield, Mayock projects Sankey as a second-round pick in May’s draft.

“He’s a great combination of make-you-miss and north-south runner. … I really like his upside,” Mayock said.

Austin Seferian-Jenkins. “Oh … my … goodness does he have a great throwing radius,” Mayock said. “But is going to run in the 4.7 range or not?”

Mayock has Seferian-Jenkins as his second-ranked tight end (behind North Carolina’s Eric Ebron) and a first-round pick. ASJ, he said, could be a fit for the New England Patriots with the 29th overall pick — though he thinks Texas Tech tight end Jace Amaro is a better fit there — and added that ASJ “would make some sense to me” for the Baltimore Ravens with the 16th overall pick.

“Seferian-Jenkins could play in any scheme,” Mayock said. “You can line him up inline. He should be a better blocker than he is given his size. He’s athletic enough to block and tough enough to block, (but) at Washington they split him out so often I don’t think he developed as much as a blocker.”

Mayock sees Oregon state DE Scott Crichton, a Tacoma native, as a good fit for Denver with the 31st pick. Mayock called Crichton a “poor man’s Chris Long.”

Mayock's says his 2nd tier safeties are Jimmie Ward (N. Ill), Deone Bucannon (Wash St), Terrence Brooks (FSU), & Ed Reynolds (Stanford)

Mike Mayock just called @NIUAthletics Jimmie Ward one of his favorite safeties in the draft." @BlenBeans

Mike Mayock thinks North Dakota State offensive lineman Billy Turner is a fourth-round pick.

The NFL Network's Mike Mayock is skeptical that former #NotreDame DT Louis Nix can be relied upon for enough snaps.

Mayock thinks MSU CB Darqueze Dennard and Oklahoma State CB Justin Gilbert can step in on Day 1.

Mayock said the only reason Oregon State's Brandin Cooks isn't in his top 5 is because of the depth of this year's WR class.

Mayock on #UVa prospects: Urban can go in third round; Moses is a starting right tackle in the NFL, hasn't ruled out his first round chances

Mayock: Khalil Mack runs like a safety. Explodes off the edge. One of elite edge guys in draft. I've yet to find a hole in his game.””

Mayock: Versatile 4-3/3-4 edge rushers include Auburn's Dee Ford, Stanford's Trent Murphy and Louisville's Marcus Smith. #Bears

NFL Network Draft analyst Mike Mayock has former #Wyoming WR Robert Herron and DB Marqueston Huff as 4th to 5th round picks

Mike Mayock projects C.J. Fiedorowicz as a 4th-rounder right now, wants to see what he runs at the Combine and if he can catch everything.

Mike Mayock says he believes Devonta Freeman will go in the third round. Says he believes James Wilder Jr. will go in 4th or 5th round.

Mayock on EIU QB Garoppolo: Could go as high as 2nd or 3rd round and could develop into NFL starter.

Mayock said the Michigan State LB Max Bullough's suspension hurt a little bit, but "the tape wasn't real good this year."

Jack Mewhort from Ohio State, second- or third-round starting tackle."

Mike Mayock says he believes Christian Jones did improve his draft stock by staying for his senior season and showing he can rush off edge.

During his nearly 3-hour teleconference, NFL Network's Mike Mayock said Wolf Pack OL Joel Bitonio is a 2nd-round pick. Becoming a consensus.

Blake 02-18-2014 02:02 PM

Re: Mike Mayock 2014 NFL Draft
 
Good stuff. I cant believe how high Ebron is rising.

beerlover 02-18-2014 03:10 PM

Re: Mike Mayock 2014 NFL Draft
 
Guess it shows how hard work & being in the right place, right time can lead to a full time profession in this business. I think several posters here have equal or similar capacity for making those statements. I always try to encourage those who I associate with here to make a run at this, those who have a natural eye for talent & player evaluation, like rmartin65, wolverinefan & many other but too often life gets in the way.

Playoffs 02-18-2014 03:15 PM

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Jeff McLane ‏@Jeff_McLane
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Mayock, showing high motor after 2 hrs of questions, says let's keep pushing despite 30 more ques & moderator's attempt to cut call short.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-networ...es-like-a-loon

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Mayock also says 70-80 percent of his evaluations are based on his own work with tape. He then bounces ideas of people he trusts.
Quote:

Mike Mayock's conference call clocked in at 2 hours, 42 minutes.
Only "fumble" Mayock had was re: Texans...
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#NFL Network's Mike Mayock said if #Texans aren't in love with a top-three QB, picking another position or trading down makes most sense.
That about covers it...:spit:

I'm gassed, my clicker hand hurts and may have a lisfranc injury in my mid-palm and a high finger sprain.

http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/...ps45c94c59.gif

kiwitexansfan 02-18-2014 03:36 PM

Re: Mike Mayock 2014 NFL Draft
 
Pryor could be the biggest bust in this years draft, my alarm bells are ringing.

Playoffs 02-21-2014 06:49 PM

Re: Mike Mayock 2014 NFL Draft
 
Mayock: Khalil Mack would be my No. 1 overall pick
Quote:

"He's explosive off the edge, he's tough, he's twitchy, he's got a little edge about him," Mayock said of Mack.

Buffalo opened the season with a loss to Ohio State, but Mayock said that when he watched tape of that game, "[Mack] dominated Ohio State like nobody I've ever seen dominate them."

Mayock also said that Mack is "really a good kid off the field" as well.

"You talk about a kid like [Jadeveon] Clowney, who's just got superhuman abilities, versus this kid, and if I had a choice between the two, I think I'm taking Mack," Mayock said.

Mayock said Mack is a prototype outside linebacker in a 3-4, but that he also would fit as a "Sam" linebacker in a 4-3, and would really shine in pass-rush situations...

bah007 02-21-2014 07:52 PM

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Despite this stance being unpopular around here, Mack is my #2 choice after Bridgewater.

beerlover 02-21-2014 08:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bah007 (Post 2302566)
Despite this stance being unpopular around here, Mack is my #2 choice after Bridgewater.

unpopular is a little bit of an exaggeration. Top tier prospect. three down LB. can play outside or in. elite movement skills, just has not exactly played against SEC competition. Merciuls is a similar talent. Taken much later, don't get me wrong superior speed, change of direction but lacks strength to set the edge, choose your poison or scheme. That being said, I think both fit better in a 4-3 :kitten:

Ole Miss Texan 02-21-2014 08:31 PM

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Interesting commentary by Mayock. I've been thinking about what people have been saying about value at QB - drafting value at 2:1 vs 1:1 and thinking that applies just as much if not more to Clowney in my mind. IF we have the opportunity to trade down with say Cleveland (bc that's the popular hypothetical trade partner)... I think a guy like Mack + the extra draft picks we'd receive is MUCH safer and better value than Clowney at 1:1

If OB isn't enfatuated with a top 3 QB then I hope we trade down. Like they've been saying this is one of the deepest drafts in a long time.

kiwitexansfan 02-21-2014 08:47 PM

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Mack is my favourite non-QB prosect, narrowly edging Robinson and Clowney.

bah007 02-21-2014 08:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by beerlover (Post 2302576)
unpopular is a little bit of an exaggeration. Top tier prospect. three down LB. can play outside or in. elite movement skills, just has not exactly played against SEC competition. Merciuls is a similar talent. Taken much later, don't get me wrong superior speed, change of direction but lacks strength to set the edge, choose your poison or scheme. That being said, I think both fit better in a 4-3 :kitten:

Maybe not unpopular but it certainly wasn't popular when I floated the idea a few weeks ago. A lot of people here would freak out if we took an OLB with the #1 pick. Before the rookie wage scale it made sense to only take a premier position at the top of the draft. With the new rules you can afford to take a better player at a less important position and not have to worry as much about the financial implications.

I see Mercilus as a fit only as a WDE in a 43. I think Mack is the superior player and he is scheme diverse.

beerlover 02-21-2014 08:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ole Miss Texan (Post 2302578)
Interesting commentary by Mayock. I've been thinking about what people have been saying about value at QB - drafting value at 2:1 vs 1:1 and thinking that applies just as much if not more to Clowney in my mind. IF we have the opportunity to trade down with say Cleveland (bc that's the popular hypothetical trade partner)... I think a guy like Mack + the extra draft picks we'd receive is MUCH safer and better value than Clowney at 1:1

If OB isn't enfatuated with a top 3 QB then I hope we trade down. Like they've been saying this is one of the deepest drafts in a long time.

we all hope don't we?

every year, every time. feel like a used tool listening to an organism growing limbs trying to sell parts. Greg Robinson is my top prospect plain & simple. low floor with high ceiling @ position of need that could escalate into premier position (LT) & clearly build team inside out with talent. But that's just beer talking :wesmantexanfan:

thunderkyss 02-21-2014 08:58 PM

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Interesting that Stephon Truit doesn't start off in his top 5.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Playoffs (Post 2300980)
tweets read bottom(oldest)-to-top
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Mayock: If I'm GM of #Texans, I'm trying to get comfortable with one of these QBs. I'm intrigued by Manziel.

Mayock: Bridgewater and Bortles could both be good QBs, but not ready to say either will be All-Pro QB.

Mayock: The more tape I watch of Bridgewater, Manziel and Bortles, the more questions I have. I could pick apart all 3 of them.

Others


Nothing against Bridgewater & though Manziel is intriguing........ Blake Bortles has been growing on me.

AngryNateFTW 02-21-2014 09:30 PM

Re: Mike Mayock 2014 NFL Draft
 
So Mayock said that Manziel is a mix between Flutie and Tarkenton, while Clowney is better than Mario coming out..

Hmm..

Decisions, decisions. :D

ObsiWan 02-21-2014 10:12 PM

Re: Mike Mayock 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AngryNateFTW (Post 2302593)
So Mayock said that Manziel is a mix between Flutie and Tarkenton, while Clowney is better than Mario coming out..

Hmm..

Decisions, decisions. :D

Matthews or Robinson; flip a coin
:texflag:

mussop 02-22-2014 11:44 AM

Re: Mike Mayock 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bah007 (Post 2302583)
Maybe not unpopular but it certainly wasn't popular when I floated the idea a few weeks ago. A lot of people here would freak out if we took an OLB with the #1 pick. Before the rookie wage scale it made sense to only take a premier position at the top of the draft. With the new rules you can afford to take a better player at a less important position and not have to worry as much about the financial implications.

I see Mercilus as a fit only as a WDE in a 43. I think Mack is the superior player and he is scheme diverse.

This board freaks out over everything. If you don't put their "guy" on a pedestal you will get crucified. No matter who you mention as the first pick you get crucified. Most everyone here has picked their fav and have drawn a line in the sand. It's their fav or else. Absolutely silly.

At every pick of every round you should have a list of guys worthy of said pick. Because of need people want to exclude everything but QB with pick 1.1. I understand QB is the most important position on the field. ThAt doesn't mean you blindly use the best asset you have to fill the position. It doesn't mean use your best asset to put a player there that isn't talented enough to warrant that asset.

Obviously the premium positions should influence the pick more than positions that don't influence the game as much. QB, LT, EDGE RUSHER, CB are the main premium positions and depending On scheme you could add WR, TE and even NT to that list. Out of those positions you are best off taking BPA that fills need. if QB is fairly close to next BPA (talent wise) at one of those premier positions then QB is most likely your best choice. For a non premium position player to be considered he MUST be special.

Still When putting your list together you there are so many things to consider. For instance, Scheme fit and personality fit. Work ethic, ability to pick things up quickly, durability and even position longevity have to be considered.

Most on here that continually criticize others don't even take half of that into consideration. They just fall in love with one guy and go with it. I started out with 6 guys that I liked at #1. I've recently added a few. It's about getting the best value that fits all the criteria mentioned above and a few I'm sure I didn't mention. That value will be defined by OB and his staff.

While most only want one guy I love it that we have the #1 pick in such a deep draft. We have a lot of options and that can never be a bad thing. No matter who we pick whether it's Mack, Robinson, Watkins or the other mostly mentioned prospects, We will get an elite prospect at 1.1 unless we reach based purely on need. That should be the most important thing to a Texan fan.

mussop 02-22-2014 11:47 AM

Re: Mike Mayock 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 2302585)
Interesting that Stephon Truit doesn't start off in his top 5.




Nothing against Bridgewater & though Manziel is intriguing........ Blake Bortles has been growing on me.

I'm assuming you are talking about Tuitt ND? If so it doesn't surprise me. The more I watch him the more he falls. I was really high on him at first but he's just to inconsistent.


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