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badboy 01-23-2014 01:51 PM

ILB CJ Mosley - Only one like him in first round
 
Am I overlooking something? ILB C J Mosley is the only one ranked in first and all positions have a decent alternative at lower pick in that round. Even Nix has Hageman as a possible nose.

Does that increase Mosely value to Texans and move him higher on their board? Of course I am considering him in a trade down scenario.

TexansFTW 01-23-2014 01:53 PM

Re: Only one like him in first round
 
Possibly.

I don't think it's a stretch to say that Brooks Reed will be our starting ILB next year alongside Cushing though.

If that's the case we would obviously want to use that pick on a good enough OLB to run with the job and then a late round ILB to use as depth (which we have none of).

All speculation though, who knows.

mussop 01-23-2014 02:15 PM

Re: Only one like him in first round
 
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Originally Posted by TexansFTW (Post 2289936)
Possibly.

I don't think it's a stretch to say that Brooks Reed will be our starting ILB next year alongside Cushing though.

If that's the case we would obviously want to use that pick on a good enough OLB to run with the job and then a late round ILB to use as depth (which we have none of).

All speculation though, who knows.

I'm really looking forward to seeing what Crennel can do with Mercilous. Also hope he can make something out of Braman other than a special teams player.

TexansFTW 01-23-2014 02:56 PM

Re: Only one like him in first round
 
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Originally Posted by mussop (Post 2289947)
I'm really looking forward to seeing what Crennel can do with Mercilous. Also hope he can make something out of Braman other than a special teams player.

I'm there w/ you on Merciless.

You think Braman has a future in the NFL though? I respect that if you do. I personally think he should be thankful a team is using a roster spot on him.

Marshall 01-23-2014 02:57 PM

Re: Only one like him in first round
 
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Originally Posted by TexansFTW (Post 2289977)
I'm there w/ you on Merciless.

You think Braman has a future in the NFL though? I respect that if you do. I personally think he should be thankful a team is using a roster spot on him.

I'm not sure how long he holds that roster spot with the new management. He was borderline all along.

Corrosion 01-23-2014 03:12 PM

Re: Only one like him in first round
 
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Originally Posted by badboy (Post 2289934)
Am I overlooking something? ILB C J Mosley is the only one ranked in first and all positions have a decent alternative at lower pick in that round. Even Nix has Hageman as a possible nose.

Does that increase Mosely value to Texans and move him higher on their board? Of course I am considering him in a trade down scenario.

I think Mosley is the best "Football player" in this draft. I've said it multiple times in multiple threads.

Thing is , he's really an ILB .... and that's a position that doesn't get much consideration with the #1 pick. That spot is generally for pass rushers , QB's , Left Tackles and the occasional WR/CB.

I wouldn't complain one bit if the Texans took him 1:1 or traded back a few picks (4?) and took him there.

Scooter 01-23-2014 04:03 PM

Re: Only one like him in first round
 
i have no problem taking him first, or more ideally trading down and grabbing him. mosley is another that you figure to be a starter for 10 years with out the questionmarks of some of the other picks, and to me that's a must with your first pick. forget the boom or bust, and forget criticism that may come with a "reach", pick a guy who will be a core player for a long time.

the big selling point IMO is that he's an ILB that can play in coverage, and that aspect can change an entire defense. as we're seeing around the league and especially in the playoffs, linebackers have as much cover responsibility as defensive backs. the tightend position is huge, and crossing routes have become the bread and butter for most of the NFL. you have to have at least 1 guy in the middle, and teams like the 49'ers, seahawks, and steelers are taking it to the next level with 2. mosley with cushing would be a turning point for our defense.

badboy 01-23-2014 04:13 PM

Re: Only one like him in first round
 
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Originally Posted by TexansFTW (Post 2289936)
Possibly.

I don't think it's a stretch to say that Brooks Reed will be our starting ILB next year alongside Cushing though.

If that's the case we would obviously want to use that pick on a good enough OLB to run with the job and then a late round ILB to use as depth (which we have none of).

All speculation though, who knows.

There has been no indication of a desire by Texans to move Reed. I would have thought if they wanted to Phillips would have.

TexansFTW 01-23-2014 04:20 PM

Re: Only one like him in first round
 
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Originally Posted by badboy (Post 2290038)
There has been no indication of a desire by Texans to move Reed. I would have thought if they wanted to Phillips would have.

IIRC he was being cross trained in camp and throughout the season, just never played the position in a game though.

You may be right though, like I said, all speculation.

badboy 01-23-2014 04:23 PM

Re: Only one like him in first round
 
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Originally Posted by Scooter (Post 2290030)
i have no problem taking him first, or more ideally trading down and grabbing him. mosley is another that you figure to be a starter for 10 years with out the questionmarks of some of the other picks, and to me that's a must with your first pick. forget the boom or bust, and forget criticism that may come with a "reach", pick a guy who will be a core player for a long time.

the big selling point IMO is that he's an ILB that can play in coverage, and that aspect can change an entire defense. as we're seeing around the league and especially in the playoffs, linebackers have as much cover responsibility as defensive backs. the tightend position is huge, and crossing routes have become the bread and butter for most of the NFL. you have to have at least 1 guy in the middle, and teams like the 49'ers, seahawks, and steelers are taking it to the next level with 2. mosley with cushing would be a turning point for our defense.

my thought exactly as I would prefer to trade down and get him but he is a perfect fit for a priority need imo + has intelligence I think required. He was actually listed as OLB for long time by NFL draftscout.com

JB 01-23-2014 05:07 PM

Re: Only one like him in first round
 
If we could pull off a trade with cleveland for 4 & 26 and could pick up Mosley and Nix in the first, I would do backflips. Middle of our defense set for years

badboy 01-23-2014 05:18 PM

Re: Only one like him in first round
 
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Originally Posted by JB (Post 2290081)
If we could pull off a trade with cleveland for 4 & 26 and could pick up Mosley and Nix in the first, I would do backflips. Middle of our defense set for years

Nix surgery for knee issues at his weight concerns me and cannot get any feedback on how he is post surgery but probably too soon. I like Carrethers and Cauran Reid (sp) in later rounds. I am focusing on the Oline more than D. If I could land either Cyril Richardson or Gabe Jackson for my LG and JuWuan James for RT that would make any RB and QB better. I think Cyril could play RT so he has edge over Jackson but he may go before #33.

Marshall 01-23-2014 05:23 PM

Re: Only one like him in first round
 
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Originally Posted by badboy (Post 2290090)
Nix surgery for knee issues at his weight concerns me and cannot get any feedback on how he is post surgery but probably too soon. I like Carrethers and Cauran Reid (sp) in later rounds. I am focusing on the Oline more than D. If I could land either Cyril Richardson or Gabe Jackson for my LG and JuWuan James for RT that would make any RB and QB better. I think Cyril could play RT so he has edge over Jackson but he may go before #33.

Cyril got pushed around I thought. Was it the senior bowl or east-west?

JB 01-23-2014 05:25 PM

Re: Only one like him in first round
 
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Originally Posted by badboy (Post 2290090)
Nix surgery for knee issues at his weight concerns me and cannot get any feedback on how he is post surgery but probably too soon. I like Carrethers and Cauran Reid (sp) in later rounds. I am focusing on the Oline more than D. If I could land either Cyril Richardson or Gabe Jackson for my LG and JuWuan James for RT that would make any RB and QB better. I think Cyril could play RT so he has edge over Jackson but he may go before #33.

Haven't been paying that much attention, wasn't aware of knee concerns with Nix. I'll have to re-evaluate then. I think our D up the middle and speed on the back end are our biggest needs outside of qb. If we don't go qb in the first then I want to address those two areas

kiwitexansfan 01-23-2014 05:50 PM

Re: Only one like him in first round
 
I'd be peeved if we take a ILB in the first when we will be in nickel or dime 70% of the time and already have Cushing who needs to play in those formations.

drs23 01-23-2014 05:52 PM

Re: Only one like him in first round
 
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Originally Posted by badboy (Post 2290090)
Nix surgery for knee issues at his weight concerns me and cannot get any feedback on how he is post surgery but probably too soon. I like Carrethers and Cauran Reid (sp) in later rounds. I am focusing on the Oline more than D. If I could land either Cyril Richardson or Gabe Jackson for my LG and JuWuan James for RT that would make any RB and QB better. I think Cyril could play RT so he has edge over Jackson but he may go before #33.

Yeah, the jury is still out on Nix's injury(ies) but what have you seen from Carrethers that would counter the claims from the "Professional" draftnics that "he's just a 'big body on the field'"?

Just axin because that's all I'm hearing/reading about him.

Scooter 01-23-2014 06:08 PM

Re: Only one like him in first round
 
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Originally Posted by kiwitexansfan (Post 2290105)
I'd be peeved if we take a ILB in the first when we will be in nickel or dime 70% of the time and already have Cushing who needs to play in those formations.

IMO that adds value to taking an ILB early. instead of so much time in base formations where you can have interchangeable heavies at ILB, you need 2 guys who can stay on the field in passing downs. willis and bowman are the target goal as the best ILB's in the league right now. bowman was in for 98% of the snaps this season and willis was in for 81%. i'd take someone in for 81% of the plays on defense first, though with cushing getting older and having injury issues, he may be the 81% with mosley being the 98%.

bah007 01-23-2014 08:07 PM

Re: Only one like him in first round
 
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Originally Posted by kiwitexansfan (Post 2290105)
I'd be peeved if we take a ILB in the first when we will be in nickel or dime 70% of the time and already have Cushing who needs to play in those formations.

I agree with your sentiment but with our LB core Moseley would probably stay on the field in our nickel.

Corrosion 01-23-2014 08:11 PM

Re: Only one like him in first round
 
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Originally Posted by kiwitexansfan (Post 2290105)
I'd be peeved if we take a ILB in the first when we will be in nickel or dime 70% of the time and already have Cushing who needs to play in those formations.

Mosley would likely stay on the field as an OLB in those situations , he's a very good pass rusher .... that would send either Reed or Mercilus to the sidelines.


If he's the best player in the draft , he's the best player .... you take the best player with 1:1.

Scooter 01-23-2014 08:28 PM

Re: Only one like him in first round
 
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Originally Posted by Corrosion (Post 2290156)
If he's the best player in the draft , he's the best player .... you take the best player with 1:1.

a thousand times yes.


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