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srrono 01-20-2014 04:14 PM

NFL considering proposal to abolish/modify extra points
 
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Is the extra point about to go the way of the dinosaur?

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell told NFL Network's Rich Eisen on Monday that the league's Competition Committee might eventually abolish the time-tested point after touchdown in favor of a brand-new scoring system.

"The extra point is almost automatic," Goodell said. "I believe we had five missed extra points this year out of 1,200 some odd. So it's a very small fraction of the play, and you want to add excitement with every play.

"There's one proposal in particular that I've heard about. It's automatic that you get seven points when you score a touchdown, but you could potentially go for an eighth point, either by running or passing the ball, so if you fail, you go back to six."

Texn4life 01-20-2014 04:16 PM

Re: NFL considering proposal to abolish extra points
 
Ohhhhh Roger! Why don't you worry about how to fix that mess that almost happened in the biggest game of the year last night? For a smart dude he can come off as really dumb sometimes.

HJam72 01-20-2014 04:19 PM

Re: NFL considering proposal to abolish extra points
 
I don't even see how this will hurt kickers (last sentence in article). Taking away that kick doesn't lessen their value at all. It's the 3-pointers that they get all their value from.

TheIronDuke 01-20-2014 04:20 PM

Re: NFL considering proposal to abolish extra points
 
I kinda like the idea.

Double Barrel 01-20-2014 04:25 PM

Re: NFL considering proposal to abolish extra points
 
Just make them kick the extra point from the 20 yard line so it's not so automatic.

infantrycak 01-20-2014 04:26 PM

Re: NFL considering proposal to abolish extra points
 
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Originally Posted by Texn4life (Post 2288401)
Ohhhhh Roger! Why don't you worry about how to fix that mess that almost happened in the biggest game of the year last night? For a smart dude he can come off as really dumb sometimes.

It isn't either or. They are going to look at a bunch of issues including the fumble from last night.

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Originally Posted by Double Barrel (Post 2288410)
Just make them kick the extra point from the 20 yard line so it's not so automatic.

Would be kind of cool if made the points vary by distance.

40+ 1 pt
50+ 2 pts
60+ 3 pts

ziggy29 01-20-2014 04:26 PM

Re: NFL considering proposal to abolish extra points
 
What they should do is narrow the uprights. Field goals have become almost automatic, even from well over 40 yards.

ChampionTexan 01-20-2014 04:30 PM

Re: NFL considering proposal to abolish extra points
 
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Originally Posted by Texn4life (Post 2288401)
Ohhhhh Roger! Why don't you worry about how to fix that mess that almost happened in the biggest game of the year last night? For a smart dude he can come off as really dumb sometimes.

Because only one problem can be addressed during the offseason?

hobie 01-20-2014 04:33 PM

Re: NFL considering proposal to abolish extra points
 
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Originally Posted by ziggy29 (Post 2288413)
What they should do is narrow the uprights. Field goals have become almost automatic, even from well over 40 yards.

Have you been watching our kickers? Automatic from 40??...I would suggest ours should be just a little wider...

Double Barrel 01-20-2014 04:34 PM

Re: NFL considering proposal to abolish extra points
 
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Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 2288412)
Would be kind of cool if made the points vary by distance.

40+ 1 pt
50+ 2 pts
60+ 3 pts

I like that idea! Introduces some strategic depth into the game while still maintaining ties to the old 'three downs and a cloud of dust' heritage. :thumbup

ArlingtonTexan 01-20-2014 04:36 PM

Re: NFL considering proposal to abolish extra points
 
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Originally Posted by ziggy29 (Post 2288413)
What they should do is narrow the uprights. Field goals have become almost automatic, even from well over 40 yards.

86% for all kicks this year, shows how bad 72 percent from Bullock is in modern standards.

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http://www.bloguin.com/thisgivensund...fl-season.html


86.5: That was the average field goal success percentage, league-wide, which was actually up 2.6 points from last season. There were only six misses on 242 attempts inside 30 yards, and kickers hit 93 percent of their kicks inside 40 yards. It's not even a challenge anymore. In fact, they hit 67 percent of their field goals from beyond 50 yards. That's a mark that had never been reached on field goals of any length until the 1981 season. A record 99.6 extra points were converted this year.

Playoffs 01-20-2014 04:44 PM

Re: NFL considering proposal to abolish extra points
 
Gimme 7 or option for 2/6 is one thing...

Moving kick back is another...

But the option to put the ball up at the 2 yard line would materially change the game. I hope that one is off the table.

Dutchrudder 01-20-2014 04:45 PM

Re: NFL considering proposal to abolish extra points
 
I'd rather see the extra point abolished in favor of making the team always go for 2.

2012Champs 01-20-2014 04:49 PM

Re: NFL considering proposal to abolish extra points
 
Actual fg kickers aside if you had an option when going for two of a pass/run play or fg kick how far of a kick would it have to be for the two options to be roughly even?

ArlingtonTexan 01-20-2014 04:57 PM

Re: NFL considering proposal to abolish extra points
 
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Originally Posted by 2012Champs (Post 2288431)
Actual fg kickers aside if you had an option when going for two of a pass/run play or fg kick how far of a kick would it have to be for the two options to be roughly even?

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/st...atistics/2013/

Over the years, the average success rate of two point conversions in the NFL has been around 50% (compared to a near 100% conversion on the single extra point).

Currently, kickers make 67% of kicks beyond 50 yards (see previous post of mine), so a rough estimate would be 55-60 yards out.

Texn4life 01-20-2014 06:00 PM

Re: NFL considering proposal to abolish extra points
 
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Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 2288412)
It isn't either or. They are going to look at a bunch of issues including the fumble from last night.



Would be kind of cool if made the points vary by distance.

40+ 1 pt
50+ 2 pts
60+ 3 pts

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Originally Posted by ChampionTexan (Post 2288415)
Because only one problem can be addressed during the offseason?

Seriously? I was not aware of this new development! Awesome!

eriadoc 01-20-2014 06:41 PM

Re: NFL considering proposal to abolish extra points
 
I think they should just have the players roll out onto the field and have the coaches pick teams.

ziggy29 01-20-2014 07:24 PM

Re: NFL considering proposal to abolish extra points
 
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Originally Posted by ArlingtonTexan (Post 2288421)
86% for all kicks this year, shows how bad 72 percent from Bullock is in modern standards.

Exactly. 72% would have been Canton material 40-50 years ago.

Lou Groza made 54.9%.
Jan Stenerud made 66.8%, and was only 17-64 from 50+.

Morten Andersen -- long the "gold standard" for automatic kickers -- made 79.7%, and the telling thing about the evolution of the game is that he NEVER made less than 80% in his seven seasons after turning 40.

Our current kicking woes aside, field goals have become way too easy in the NFL.

ziggy29 01-20-2014 07:26 PM

Re: NFL considering proposal to abolish extra points
 
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Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 2288412)
Would be kind of cool if made the points vary by distance.

40+ 1 pt
50+ 2 pts
60+ 3 pts

I don't know about the concept of "longer is more points". I hate the concept of penalizing good defense, even though I recognize a PAT isn't a field goal. That's why I hate the three point shot in basketball. Too often I see a team play lock down defense on an opponent trying to penetrate and get in for a good shot, only to kick it out to some three-point specialist with 5 seconds on the shot clock and drain a three-pointer. The defense gives up one point more than they would have if they didn't play such good interior defense.

HJam72 01-20-2014 07:30 PM

Re: NFL considering proposal to abolish extra points
 
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Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 2288412)
It isn't either or. They are going to look at a bunch of issues including the fumble from last night.



Would be kind of cool if made the points vary by distance.

40+ 1 pt
50+ 2 pts
60+ 3 pts

Kinda defeats the purpose of getting the extra yards in certain situations, though.

I think they should just have the automatic extra point or go for 2 choice and/or consider making the goal posts closer together. Probably both. The extra point play is bathroom break time.


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