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Playoffs 01-15-2014 01:18 PM

NFL.com writers on 2014 Draft
 
Daniel Jeremiah Big Board/Top 50
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1        Clowney, Jadeveon        DE        South Carolina
2        Watkins, Sammy        WR        Clemson       
3        Robinson, Greg        OT        Auburn       
4        Barr, Anthony        OLB        UCLA       
5        Matthews, Jake        OT        Texas A&M       
6        Jernigan, Timmy        DT        Florida St.       
7        Manziel, Johnny        QB        Texas A&M
8        Mack, Khalil        OLB        Buffalo               
9        Mosley, C.J.        OLB        Alabama       
10        Bridgewater, Teddy        QB        Louisville       
11        Ebron, Eric        TE        North Carolina       
12        Lewan, Taylor        OT        Michigan
13        Evans, Mike        WR        Texas A&M
14        Pryor, Calvin        FS        Louisville
15        Clinton-Dix, Ha Ha        FS        Alabama       
16        Benjamin, Kelvin        WR        Florida St.       
17        Nix III, Louis        DT        Notre Dame       
18        Gilbert, Justin        CB        Oklahoma St.       
19        Dennard, Darqueze        CB        Michigan St.       
20        Lee, Marqise        WR        USC
21        Hyde, Carlos        RB        Ohio St.       
22        Bortles, Blake        QB        Central Florida
23        Hageman, Ra'Shede        DT        Minnesota       
24        Seferian-Jenkins, Austin        TE        Washington       
25        Martin, Zack        OT        Notre Dame
26        Amaro, Jace        TE        Texas Tech       
27        Kouandjio, Cyrus        OT        Alabama       
28        Tuitt, Stephon        DE        Notre Dame       
29        Ealy, Kony        DE        Missouri       
30        Donald, Aaron        DT        Pittsburgh       
31        Shazier, Ryan        OLB        Ohio St.       
32        Easley, Dominique        DT        Florida        Senior       
33        Landry, Jarvis        WR        LSU       
34        Moses, Morgan        OT        Virginia
35        Lawrence, Demarcus        DE        Boise St.       
36        Richardson, Paul        WR        Colorado       
37        Joyner, Lamarcus        CB        Florida St.       
38        Verrett, Jason        CB        TCU       
39        Ford, Dee        DE        Auburn
40        Adams, Davante        WR        Fresno St.       
41        Beckham, Odell        WR        LSU       
42        McCarron, AJ        QB        Alabama
43        Cooks, Brandin        WR        Oregon St.       
44        Carr, Derek        QB        Fresno St.       
45        Matthews, Jordan        WR        Vanderbilt
46        Colvin, Aaron        CB        Oklahoma       
47        Mason, Tre        RB        Auburn       
48        Murphy, Trent        OLB        Stanford       
49        Jones, Daquan        DT        Penn St.       
50        Roby, Bradley        CB        Ohio St.


Playoffs 01-15-2014 06:49 PM

Re: NFL.com writers on 2014 Draft
 
Bucky's Top 5 2014 NFL Draft prospects by position

TexansFTW 01-15-2014 10:50 PM

Re: NFL.com writers on 2014 Draft
 
Very interesting stuff. I really like Pryor, but I think they've got him about 15-20 positions too high. Unless he shows me things that I don't believe he can do at the combine, I don't see him as a top 20 guy, despite team needs.

Bucky has a very interesting WR top 5.

What do you think, Playoffs and anyone else, about Sammy Watkins as #2 despite posting that thing from Peshek in another thread you posted breaking down the "top 4" WRs.

Playoffs 01-20-2014 02:13 PM

Re: NFL.com writers on 2014 Draft
 
Gil Brandt's top 50 NFL prospects list
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1. Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M
Manziel (6-0, 205 pounds) is a unique athlete who produced 10,000 yards of offense in two seasons with the Aggies. He has great vision at quarterback.

2. Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina

3. Anthony Barr, LB, UCLA

4. Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M

5. Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville
In two seasons, Bridgewater (6-foot-2 1/2, 207 pounds) had 58 TD passes and only 12 interceptions and a completion percentage of nearly 70 percent. His thin upper body is a concern.

6. Blake Bortles, QB, UCF
Bortles (6-foot-3 1/2, 225 pounds) is the flavor of the month right now. He has emerged after receiving only two offers out of high school, including one from Purdue, which recruited him as a tight end. In two years he had 50 TD passes to 16 interceptions.

7. Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson

8. Khalil Mack, LB, Buffalo

9. Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan

10. Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn

11. Ra'Shede Hageman, DT, Minnesota
Hageman (6-foot-5, 315 pounds) is a hard player to grade. He didn't play many plays because the Gophers ran him in and out, and he lined up at both defensive tackle and defensive end. He might be too tall to be a DT in the NFL, but is good enough to convert to end. He's very athletic and was the top-rated tight end out of high school.

12. C.J. Mosley, LB, Alabama

13. Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama

14. Marqise Lee, WR, USC

15. Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama

16. Eric Ebron, TE, North Carolina

17. Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida State

18. Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State

19. Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma State

20. Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M

21. Derek Carr, QB, Fresno State

22. Stephon Tuitt, DT, Notre Dame
Tuitt (6-foot-5, 320 pounds) had 19.5 sacks in the past two years and one interception vs. Michigan this season. He plays the run well and is athletic, but is he tough?

23. Louis Nix III, DT, Notre Dame
Nix (6-foot-2 1/2, 325 pounds) missed most of the season with an injury after playing well in 2012. He looks the part of a defensive tackle, with good size, quickness and lateral movement.

24. Kony Ealy, DE, Missouri
Ealy (6-foot-4, 277 pounds) played very well in the Cotton Bowl vs. Oklahoma State, recording two sacks, giving him 9.5 for the season. He has good quickness. He is a two-year starter but had one good year.

25. Zach Martin, OT, Notre Dame

26. Jeremy Hill, RB, LSU

27. Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida State
Jernigan (6-foot-1 1/2 300 pounds) played as a true freshman in 2011 and started only two games in 2012. His quickness allows him to be a very disruptive player.

28. Loucheiz Purifoy, CB, Florida

29. Austin Seferian-Jenkins, TE, Washington
Seferian-Jenkins (6-foot-5, 265 pounds) is a big target but is a better receiver than a blocker. He won the Mackey Award this season as the nation's top tight end and had 105 catches and 15 touchdowns over the past two years.

30. Jace Amaro, TE, Texas Tech

31. Marcus Roberson, CB, Florida

32. Ryan Shazier, LB, Ohio State

33. Scott Crichton, DE, Oregon State

34. Allen Robinson, WR, Penn State

35. Brandin Cooks, WR, Oregon State

36. Ka'Deem Carey, RB, Arizona

37. Aaron Colvin, CB, Oklahoma

38. Xavier Su'a-Filo, OT, UCLA

39. Cyril Richardson, OG, Baylor

40. Gabe Jackson, OG, Mississippi State

41. Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh
Donald (6-0, 285 pounds) is a lot like Bills DT Kyle Williams. He has very long arms and has had great production in college, with 16 1/2 sacks over two years.

42. Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio State
Roby (5-foot-10 1/2, 192 pounds) was beaten a lot in coverage this year and didn't play up to his potential. He could help himself by working out at the Combine.

43. Tre Mason, RB, Auburn

44. Carlos Hyde, RB, Ohio State

45. Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt

46. Jason Verrett, CB, TCU

47. Odell Beckham Jr., WR, LSU
Beckham (5-foot-11, 187 pound) won the Paul Hornung Award as the nation's most versatile player. He's a good pass catcher who also is skilled as a return man.

48. Antonio Richardson, OT, Tennessee

49. AJ McCarron, QB, Alabama
I think McCarron (6-foot-3, 215 pounds) will be better than people think. He has talent and is a very smart quarterback. He won 36 games as a starter at Alabama, including two national titles (three overall).

50. Jackson Jeffcoat, DE, Texas
read more: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...prospects-list

Playoffs 02-10-2014 07:06 PM

Re: NFL.com writers on 2014 Draft
 
Four players debut, many others move in updated ratings
Daniel Jeremiah

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Now that I've had an opportunity to study more players -- both on tape and at the all-star games) -- I've made a few adjustments to my Top 50 prospects list. There are four new additions and several players have been moved up or down on the list.

One new addition is Wisconsin linebacker Chris Borland. After seeing him up close at the Senior Bowl, I came away very impressed by his quickness and instincts. He makes his debut at number 43.

My top three quarterbacks remained in the same order: Johnny Manziel, Teddy Bridgewater and Blake Bortles. The other two signal-callers that remained on my list were Derek Carr (44) and AJ McCarron (49). One wide receiver dropped out of my Top 50 (Jordan Matthews) but nine others remain.
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1        Clowney, JdeveonDE        South Carolina
2        Watkins, Sammy        WR        Clemson
3        Robinson, Greg        OT        Auburn
4        Barr, Anthony        OLB        UCLA
5        Mack, Khalil        OLB        Buffalo
6        Jernigan, Timmy        DT        Florida St.
7        Manziel, Johnny        QB        Texas A&M
8        Matthews, Jake        OT        Texas A&M
9        Mosley, C.J.        OLB        Alabama
10        Bridgewater,TeddyQB        Louisville
11        Ebron, Eric        TE        North Carolina
12        Lewan, Taylor        OT        Michigan
13        Gilbert, Justin        CB        Oklahoma St.
14        Evans, Mike        WR        Texas A&M
15        Pryor, Calvin        FS        Louisville
16        Clinton-Dix, Ha Ha        FS        Alabama
17        Benjamin, KelvinWR        Florida St.
18        Bortles, Blake        QB        Central Florida
19        Dennard, DarquezeCB        Michigan St.
20        Nix III, Louis        DT        Notre Dame
21        Lee, Marqise        WR        USC
22        Hyde, Carlos        RB        Ohio St.
23        Hageman, Ra'ShedeDT        Minnesota
24        Martin, Zack        OT        Notre Dame
25        Amaro, Jace        TE        Texas Tech
26        Ealy, Kony        DE        Missouri
27        Moses, Morgan        OT        Virginia
28        Kouandjio, CyrusOT        Alabama
29        Tuitt, Stephon        DE        Notre Dame
30        Donald, Aaron        DT        Pittsburgh
31        Landry, Jarvis        WR        LSU        Junior
32        Cooks, Brandin        WR        Oregon St.
33        Easley, DominiqueDT        Florida
34        Seferian-JenkinsTE        Washington
35        Shazier, Ryan        OLB        Ohio St.
36        Lawrence,DemarcusDE        Boise St.
37        Roby, Bradley        CB        Ohio St.
38        Adams, Davante        WR        Fresno St.
39        Ford, Dee        DE        Auburn
40        Beckham, Odell        WR        LSU
41        Richardson, PaulWR        Colorado
42        Breeland, BashaudCB        Clemson       
43        Borland, Chris        ILB        Wisconsin
44        Carr, Derek        QB        Fresno St.
45        Joyner, LamarcusCB        Florida St.
46        Niklas, Troy        TE        Notre Dame       
47        Verrett, Jason        CB        TCU
48        Mason, Tre        RB        Auburn
49        McCarron, AJ        QB        Alabama
50        James, Ja'Wuan        OT        Tennessee


TexansFTW 02-10-2014 09:24 PM

Re: NFL.com writers on 2014 Draft
 
lol, now he's starting to do a better job of looking like every other big board out there.

I'm glad those are "his" adjustments.

I like Calvin Pryor, but he's starting to remind me a little of DJ Hayden. Good player starting to be projected too high. I do like that he can play both safety positions though, but still too high IMO.

Texian 02-11-2014 08:44 AM

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Daniel Jermiah has clearly demonstrated why he has been fired as an NFL scout 3 different times in 6 years. And why he is now a TV journalist and no longer a NFL scout.

mussop 02-11-2014 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Texian (Post 2297724)
Daniel Jermiah has clearly demonstrated why he has been fired as an NFL scout 3 different times in 6 years. And why he is now a TV journalist and no longer a NFL scout.

Let's see your big board since you think you are smarter than him. :bubbles:

deucetx 02-11-2014 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mussop (Post 2297844)
Let's see your big board since you think you are smarter than him. :bubbles:

Texian's top 25 big board probably looks like this:

1 Blake Bortles
1 Blake Bortles
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PapaL 02-11-2014 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by deucetx (Post 2297859)
Texian's top 25 big board probably looks like this:

1 Blake Bortles
1 Blake Bortles
1 Blake Bortles
1 Blake Bortles
1 Blake Bortles
1 Blake Bortles
1 Blake Bortles
1 Blake Bortles
1 Blake Bortles
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1 Blake Bortles

Now THAT'S funny!

Texian 02-11-2014 03:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PapaL (Post 2297876)
Now THAT'S funny!

I can see that it doesn't take much to amuse you.

Texian 02-11-2014 03:29 PM

Re: NFL.com writers on 2014 Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mussop (Post 2297844)
Let's see your big board since you think you are smarter than him. :bubbles:

You can choose to accept his evaluations or not. Do so at your own risk. You've been warned.

matts290 02-11-2014 03:41 PM

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Not trying to single Texian out, but I think people here are too stringent on what scouts they do or do not give merit to...probably based on how that particular scouts views align with their own.

Jeremiah spent 8 seasons as NFL scout for 3 different teams; Browns, Ravens and most recently the Eagles and was the starting QB for Appalachian State for 3 seasons. I can only find info that he was fired by one organization and that was the Browns, and we all know how well they handle their personnel.

Regardless, Jeremiah's resume is more prolific than everyone on this forums combined, I think dismissing his opinion completely is foolish. I will take the word of a guy who was fired from an NFL job over the the word of a guy who sells insurance any day of the week.

Besides, what does it really matter who we choose to "follow" it's not like it has any impact on who the Texans take or how they play on Sundays...

TexansFTW 02-11-2014 05:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by matts290 (Post 2297916)
I will take the word of a guy who was fired from an NFL job over the the word of a guy who sells insurance any day of the week.

Valid point and I hear you.

With that said, some 'scouts' frequently suck a lot more than others. This can be argued, but is hard to deny.

Random example: Matthew Berry, the LEAD fantasy football expert for ESPN, was a writer in Hollywood before coming over to ESPN AKA Sports Hollywood.

I don't think anyone should be written off without even listening, but I agree w/ Texian when he says take their info with a grain of salt. Even if your grain differs from his or theirs.

jradMIT 02-11-2014 05:19 PM

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Some guys are naturally contrarians, obviously someone will be wrong every year, some more than others, but sometimes they are right too.

Marshall 02-11-2014 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Texian (Post 2297911)
I can see that it doesn't take much to amuse you.

Good thing...

Corrosion 02-11-2014 06:08 PM

Re: NFL.com writers on 2014 Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jradMIT (Post 2297957)
Some guys are naturally contrarians, obviously someone will be wrong every year, some more than others, but sometimes they are right too.

mumbling .. incoherent .... blind squirrel finds a nut ....inaudible

Corrosion 02-11-2014 06:09 PM

Re: NFL.com writers on 2014 Draft
 
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Originally Posted by Corrosion (Post 2297981)
mumbling .. incoherent .... blind squirrel finds a nut ....inaudible

A broke clock is right twice a day.

Corrosion 02-11-2014 06:11 PM

Re: NFL.com writers on 2014 Draft
 
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Originally Posted by Corrosion (Post 2297981)
mumbling .. incoherent .... blind squirrel finds a nut ....inaudible


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Originally Posted by Corrosion (Post 2297982)
A broke clock is right twice a day.

:headhurts:

:polevault:

:smiliepalm:

mussop 02-11-2014 06:31 PM

Re: NFL.com writers on 2014 Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texian (Post 2297915)
You can choose to accept his evaluations or not. Do so at your own risk. You've been warned.

So I should ignore a real scout but listen to some internet writer/ intern and rob rang? Gotcha!!!


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