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beerlover 01-11-2014 06:58 PM

Kelvin Benjamin
 
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/n...-deep-wr-class

Is coming out, what are your thoughts, draft grade? Maybe with WR depth Texans should take WR per bpa somewhere in this years draft...

TexansSeminole 01-11-2014 07:10 PM

Re: Kelvin Benjamin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by beerlover (Post 2284024)
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/n...-deep-wr-class

Is coming out, what are your thoughts, draft grade? Maybe with WR depth Texans should take WR per bpa somewhere in this years draft...

He's still pretty raw for his age (23 in Feb), despite being only a RS sophomore. Late first round, maybe he creeps up into the middle.

beerlover 01-11-2014 07:12 PM

Re: Kelvin Benjamin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TexansSeminole (Post 2284032)
He's still pretty raw for his age, despite being only a RS sophomore. Late first round, maybe he creeps up into the middle.

what if, he is there #33?

Corrosion 01-11-2014 07:14 PM

Re: Kelvin Benjamin
 
I wouldn't complain about a WR at some point as a clear cut BPA .... but would really like to fill some holes at other spots as there are so many spots in need of help and we could have more depending upon who they resign of their FA's and who ends up being cut for cap purposes.

QB , RT , ILB , RB , CB & S all need help right now.

QB & RT are a given right now ....

Keo & McCain getting meaningful playing time ?

Tate gone Cushing & who ?!! (I did like Tarpinian tho)

DE , DT, TE & OG could have spots open.

Ninja , Mitchell ?? Do they get resigned ?!

OD & Wade Smith are huge questions going forward.


We also have FA to fill holes .... but that's an expensive route and considering the cap situation and the need to lock up a couple guys ... I'm just not sure that WR is an option in this draft as its one of the deeper positions on the team.

TexansSeminole 01-11-2014 07:15 PM

Re: Kelvin Benjamin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by beerlover (Post 2284033)
what if, he is there #33?

Depends on who else is there, but I think he should be part of the conversation. WR isn't a huge need, but he has a chance to develop into a force.

beerlover 01-11-2014 07:45 PM

Re: Kelvin Benjamin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TexansSeminole (Post 2284037)
Depends on who else is there, but I think he should be part of the conversation. WR isn't a huge need, but he has a chance to develop into a force.

ya think? Andre Johnson, DeAndre Hopkins & Kelvin Benjamin with Teddy Bridegwater @ QB.

badboy 01-11-2014 08:15 PM

Re: Kelvin Benjamin
 
Great find BL, I am shocked to see him come out tbh, maybe his age played a part. I think he would be great at # 33 but only if we have a trade giving us more picks. In my trade down mock, I choose a WR but in straight 1-1 & 2-1, I say no as we need too much.

beerlover 01-11-2014 08:41 PM

Re: Kelvin Benjamin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by badboy (Post 2284053)
Great find BL, I am shocked to see him come out tbh, maybe his age played a part. I think he would be great at # 33 but only if we have a trade giving us more picks. In my trade down mock, I choose a WR but in straight 1-1 & 2-1, I say no as we need too much.

In any trade down mock you risk too much, IMO (imagine the player you target will still be there, in this case the franchise QB) while in trading up into first or second your targeting a specific player who is there. Big difference.

76Texan 01-11-2014 08:46 PM

Re: Kelvin Benjamin
 
Let just say that if I had to choose between Hopkins and Benjamin, I wouldn't know which guy I'd pick at 27.

It's hard not to take a play maker.

beerlover 01-11-2014 09:04 PM

Re: Kelvin Benjamin
 
This is more about projection. Late first early second that is a value play. Long term he is Calvin Johnson type of WR, yes/no? So how do you pass? Andre is not going to be here much longer, this deep WR class pushes him down futher than normal & while Hopkins flashes his own upside, strikes me more of as a solid #2 like he was @ Clemson behind Watkins. So you grab your future #1 & give him the opportunity to develop under Andre Johnson. Doesn't hurt to build chemistry with fellow rookie QB Teddy Bridgewater either!

WolverineFan 01-11-2014 09:06 PM

Re: Kelvin Benjamin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 76Texan (Post 2284061)
Let just say that if I had to choose between Hopkins and Benjamin, I wouldn't know which guy I'd pick at 27.

It's hard not to take a play maker.

I love Benjamin's potential but, in that scenario, keep in mind that he is 2 years older than Hopkins and Nuk is already much more polished as a route runner and in the nuances of playing WR. Thus far, Benjamin has just been a big guy who can run fast. Then again, so was Calvin Johnson in college.

beerlover 01-11-2014 09:07 PM

Re: Kelvin Benjamin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WolverineFan (Post 2284064)
I love Benjamin's potential but, in that scenario, keep in mind that he is 2 years older than Hopkins and Nuk is already much more polished as a route runner and in the nuances of playing WR. Thus far, Benjamin has just been a big guy who can run fast. Then again, so was Calvin Johnson in college.

nailed it as usual.

76Texan 01-11-2014 09:23 PM

Re: Kelvin Benjamin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WolverineFan (Post 2284064)
I love Benjamin's potential but, in that scenario, keep in mind that he is 2 years older than Hopkins and Nuk is already much more polished as a route runner and in the nuances of playing WR. Thus far, Benjamin has just been a big guy who can run fast. Then again, so was Calvin Johnson in college.

I didn't know that Benjamin is two years older than Hopkins; even so, I'm liking Benjamin's potential better. That doesn't mean we can tell which one will eventually have a better NFL career.
I just prefer a really big target who's nearly as fast as the smaller guy and can run routes the way most big guys can't.
JMO, Benjamin has the better potential of becoming a force than Hopkins does.
His size just can't be ignored .

Trap_Star 01-11-2014 09:39 PM

Re: Kelvin Benjamin
 
benjamin is a total project. the only thing he has on hopkins is size, and for a man that big he's pretty soft. doesn't look like he likes to block, and when a CB gets physical with him he tends to fold. motivation is a big question with him, along with his inconsistent hands. he needs the right coaching to bring the best out of him.

other than that, match up nightmare physically...especially in the red zone.

TexansSeminole 01-11-2014 11:52 PM

Re: Kelvin Benjamin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Trap_Star (Post 2284073)
benjamin is a total project. the only thing he has on hopkins is size, and for a man that big he's pretty soft. doesn't look like he likes to block, and when a CB gets physical with him he tends to fold. motivation is a big question with him, along with his inconsistent hands. he needs the right coaching to bring the best out of him.

other than that, match up nightmare physically...especially in the red zone.

He's actually a good blocker, all of the FSU WRs are. We had so much talent at that spot this year and last year that you basiclaly don't see the field unless you block well. He does struggle with press coverage though and his hands can be inconsistent at times. He improved a lot on all of these things in the past year but they still need improvement.

WolverineFan 01-12-2014 12:56 AM

Re: Kelvin Benjamin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 76Texan (Post 2284067)
JMO, Benjamin has the better potential of becoming a force than Hopkins does.
His size just can't be ignored .

Absolutely agree. The question is, does he reach that potential? Hopkins is going to be a good player in the NFL. Will he be a star? That's up for debate. Benjamin, on the other hand, will likely either be the next Calvin Johnson or the next Mike Williams.

mussop 01-12-2014 02:35 AM

Re: Kelvin Benjamin
 
I'm just wondering what kind of WR's we'll be looking for. Look at NEs WR's. Seems like they prefer quick twitch smaller guys.

Texn4life 01-12-2014 02:42 AM

Re: Kelvin Benjamin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mussop (Post 2284145)
I'm just wondering what kind of WR's we'll be looking for. Look at NEs WR's. Seems like they prefer quick twitch smaller guys.

I think we need a burner in this draft. I think Benjamin has postential to do well in this draft, but I'm not quite sure he'll fit what O'Brien likes. I'd watch out for Robinson from Penn State. Doesn't fit the burner mold that I was talking about, but if we do pick up an extra 2nd round pick it wouldn't surprise me if we snagged him.

Texn4life 01-12-2014 02:50 AM

Re: Kelvin Benjamin
 
I kind of like Rashad Greene from FSU in this offense a little bit more. Try to grab a #1 WR next year. Greene brings value and special teams, will probably be available in the 3rd or 4th,is more explosive than Martin, and would make him expendable.

Edit: Disregard...... Greene is heading back to FSU.

bah007 01-12-2014 11:26 AM

Re: Kelvin Benjamin
 
I'm always wary of these big guys who get by in college just because college CBs don't know what to do with them.

He dominated Purifoy, but outside of that he is basically just good for one big play per game.

He's a decent blocker, but with his size he should be murdering DBs. He's a lazy route runner, but he's never had a reason to work hard at it. He doesn't have natural hands, but good enough all things considered.

This is a guy who needs to be pushed. If he gets an elite QB, he's All Pro. If he doesn't he will disappear.


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