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Playoffs 01-07-2014 08:00 PM

The Sideline View/Zierlein/Harris on 2014 Draft
 
TSV'S BIG BOARD -- Top 300+

Lance Zierlein/John Harris

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1 Johnny Manziel QB 6'1" 200lbs. Texas A&M
2 Teddy Bridgewater QB 6'3" 206lbs. Louisville
3 Jadeveon Clowney DE 6'6" 256lbs. South Carolina
4 Jake Matthews OT 6'5" 305lbs. Texas A&M
5 Sammy Watkins WR 6'1" 200lbs. Clemson
6 Mike Evans WR 6'5" 218lbs. Texas A&M
7 Cyrus Kouandjio OT 6'6" 311lbs. Alabama
8 Anthony Barr OLB/DE 6'4" 235lbs. UCLA
9 CJ Mosley ILB/OLB 6'2" 232lbs. Alabama
10 Trent Murphy OLB/DE 6'6" 261lbs. Stanford
11 Taylor Lewan OT 6'8" 315lbs. Michigan
12 Kyle Van Noy OLB/DE 6'3" 235lbs. Brigham Young
13 Blake Bortles QB 6'3" 227lbs. Central Florida
14 Jordan Matthews WR 6'3" 205lbs. Vanderbilt
15 Ryan Shazier OLB/DE 6'2" 226lbs. Ohio State
16 Khalil Mack OLB/DE 6'3" 244lbs. Buffalo
17 Marqise Lee WR 6'0" 195lbs. Southern California
18 Eric Ebron TE 6'4" 245lbs. North Carolina
19 Kony Ealy DE 6'5" 275lbs. Missouri
20 Jace Amaro TE 6'5" 257lbs. Texas Tech
21 Greg Robinson OT 6'5" 320lbs. Auburn
22 Lamarcus Joyner S, CB 5'8" 195lbs. Florida State
23 Derek Carr QB 6'3" 210lbs. Fresno State
24 Justin Gilbert CB 6'0" 200lbs. Oklahoma State
25 Darqueze Dennard CB 5'11" 197lbs. Michigan State
26 Vic Beasley OLB/DE 6'2" 235lbs. Clemson
27 Ha Ha Clinton Dix S 6'1" 209lbs. Alabama
28 Jason Verrett CB 5'10" 178lbs. Texas Christian
29 Cyril Richardson G 6'5" 335lbs. Baylor
30 Louis Nix III DT 6'3" 326lbs. Notre Dame
31 Cameron Erving OT 6'6" 309lbs. Florida State
32 Kelvin Benjamin WR 6'5" 234lbs. Florida State
33 Dee Ford OLB/DE 6'2" 246lbs. Auburn
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see full sortable rankings: http://www.thesidelineview.com/big-board

aussie_texan 01-07-2014 08:07 PM

Re: The Sideline View/Zierlein/Harris on 2014 Draft
 
pretty decent board right there. only thing would be for me to swap TB and JF and move matthews and barr down a couple more

bhsman 01-07-2014 08:17 PM

Re: The Sideline View/Zierlein/Harris on 2014 Draft
 
LZ mentioned on Twitter yesterday that he felt Manziel would have a better career than Teddy; I'll be interested to hear that analysis.

bOODRO87 01-07-2014 08:18 PM

Re: The Sideline View/Zierlein/Harris on 2014 Draft
 
Both are really good QBs. Johnny may wow the crowd, but Teddy's work is so much cleaner looking. It would be a very, very bold move if the Texans were to pick Manziel over TB. I just don't see it with this organization. Teddy is squeaky clean. He just needs some time in the gym. I'll support and trust whom ever O'Brien rolls with. I just don't see any logic skipping Teddy unless some crazy trade which is HIGHLY fkn doubtful. A lot of people here need to realize that.

Playoffs 01-07-2014 08:20 PM

Re: The Sideline View/Zierlein/Harris on 2014 Draft
 
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Originally Posted by bhsman (Post 2281781)
LZ mentioned on Twitter yesterday that he felt Manziel would have a better career than Teddy; I'll be interested to hear that analysis.

Click on his name and it brings up a Breakdown page with pros/cons and film study.

Also click on the big Notes and Commentary button at the top.

Pretty darned comprehensive tool, imo.

bhsman 01-07-2014 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Playoffs (Post 2281785)
Click on his name and it brings up a Breakdown page with pros/cons and film study.

Pretty darned comprehensive tool, imo.

I've read their analysis, I'm just surprised anyone would rate Manziel over Bridgewater as a prospect, and I like Manziel.

kiwitexansfan 01-07-2014 09:17 PM

Re: The Sideline View/Zierlein/Harris on 2014 Draft
 
Reading Manziel and Brdgewater's pros and cons, not sure how they conclude Manziel is better suited to QB in the NFL.

rmartin65 01-07-2014 09:31 PM

Re: The Sideline View/Zierlein/Harris on 2014 Draft
 
Quit reading after seeing Manziel 1st.

mussop 01-07-2014 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rmartin65 (Post 2281819)
Quit reading after seeing Manziel 1st.

Yep no reason to question perfection. :shades:

Fred 01-07-2014 09:48 PM

Re: The Sideline View/Zierlein/Harris on 2014 Draft
 
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Originally Posted by bhsman (Post 2281796)
I've read their analysis, I'm just surprised anyone would rate Manziel over Bridgewater as a prospect, and I like Manziel.

Now you will be the one accused of irrational JFF hate. (Welcome to the club. I love me some JFF, but think Bridgewater will be the better pro. So I'm a hater.)

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Originally Posted by bhsman (Post 2281315)
The irrational Manziel hate is so thick on this board you could cut it with a rolling pin.


beerlover 01-07-2014 09:52 PM

Re: The Sideline View/Zierlein/Harris on 2014 Draft
 
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Originally Posted by bhsman (Post 2281781)
LZ mentioned on Twitter yesterday that he felt Manziel would have a better career than Teddy; I'll be interested to hear that analysis.

We'll all get to see what actually happens. Sometimes its not always the best prospect who develops into the better pro. Has a lot to do with coaching, scheme, how hard he works & what cannot be measured.... his heart:heart:

bhsman 01-08-2014 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Fred (Post 2281827)
Now you will be the one accused of irrational JFF hate. (Welcome to the club. I love me some JFF, but think Bridgewater will be the better pro. So I'm a hater.)

I think Manziel has greater potential than Bridgewater (this is not a knock on Teddy at all; I just see his ceiling as Matt Ryan with a better arm, while Manziel could become Tarkenton), but Bridgewater is more deserving of the #1 pick. I'd love to grab Bridgewater at #1 or trade down for Manziel at #4.

leebigeztx 01-08-2014 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by bhsman (Post 2281867)
I think Manziel has greater potential than Bridgewater (this is not a knock on Teddy at all; I just see his ceiling as Matt Ryan with a better arm, while Manziel could become Tarkenton), but Bridgewater is more deserving of the #1 pick. I'd love to grab Bridgewater at #1 or trade down for Manziel at #4.

You think Tarkenton would survive in todays nfl?

bhsman 01-08-2014 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by leebigeztx (Post 2281883)
You think Tarkenton would survive in todays nfl?

There's a guy that plays for the Seahawks that could answer that question for you.

Uncle Rico 01-08-2014 08:33 AM

Re: The Sideline View/Zierlein/Harris on 2014 Draft
 
In the Bortles thread LZ says Texans take Bortles #1 overall and here he is listed as 13th best prospect? Is LZ fishing for hits again by blatantly playing both sides? Something doesn't add up.

TheIronDuke 01-08-2014 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Uncle Rico (Post 2281935)
In the Bortles thread LZ says Texans take Bortles #1 overall and here he is listed as 13th best prospect? Is LZ fishing for hits again by blatantly playing both sides? Something doesn't add up.

I know you don't like LZ but that's what he said this morning regarding some discussions he's had with a few scouts including somebody in the Bears org.

Dutchrudder 01-08-2014 09:27 AM

Re: The Sideline View/Zierlein/Harris on 2014 Draft
 
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Originally Posted by Uncle Rico (Post 2281935)
In the Bortles thread LZ says Texans take Bortles #1 overall and here he is listed as 13th best prospect? Is LZ fishing for hits again by blatantly playing both sides? Something doesn't add up.

There's a difference between saying who they will pick, and who you would pick.

ChampionTexan 01-08-2014 09:29 AM

Re: The Sideline View/Zierlein/Harris on 2014 Draft
 
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Originally Posted by Uncle Rico (Post 2281935)
In the Bortles thread LZ says Texans take Bortles #1 overall and here he is listed as 13th best prospect? Is LZ fishing for hits again by blatantly playing both sides? Something doesn't add up.

The Bortles thread was started in Nov. LZ's last post on this board was in Oct.

TheIronDuke 01-08-2014 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ChampionTexan (Post 2281980)
The Bortles thread was started in Nov. LZ's last post on this board was in Oct.

I think he meant my post in the Bortles thread regarding LZ's statement on his show this morning.

GuerillaBlack 01-08-2014 09:48 AM

Re: The Sideline View/Zierlein/Harris on 2014 Draft
 
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Originally Posted by Fred (Post 2281827)
Now you will be the one accused of irrational JFF hate. (Welcome to the club. I love me some JFF, but think Bridgewater will be the better pro. So I'm a hater.)

Who called you a hater?

Bridgewater isn't some can't miss prospect. He is more pro ready than Manziel, but all these highlight gifs people kept posting of Bridgewater, Manziel has done those exact same plays. i think he has the most potential. I wouldn't take either QB first overall, only Clowney. Trading back a few spots and grabbing him would be best.


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