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Playoffs 01-07-2014 12:42 PM

What are the real lessons we should learn from Texans history?
 
Nice, comprehensive piece by Steph...

What are the real lessons we should learn from Texans history?
by Stephanie Stradley

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Oof. Very much an old coaches sucked but here’s all these nice things said about the new coach introduction. Awkward. Because the new coach knows someday he may be done up publicly that way too.

So Green Bay was resilient because they happened to get one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL back in the nick of time?

Yes, new coaching blood and voices definitely needed to come to Reliant, but if the only lesson learned is ideal coach platitudes and you gotta coach the young guys better, I worry that you are setting the new coaching staff up for failure.

Maybe that is the only lesson that is actually being shared with the public during firing and hiring press conferences. Maybe the Texans are doing an in-depth examination of all their internal processes, not just with coaching. I hope so.

There’s plenty of room for it because the team isn’t that old, and they haven’t had much success, so every football operations thing should be on the table for change.

Here some real lessons learned for the Texans.

These aren’t just Texans lessons, but the team with its very short history relative to the league is an easy illustration of many of these points. You’ve been able to watch the team since the beginning, so you can nod and remember...

1. If you don’t have a quarterback...

read more: http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans...tory/#comments

Norg 01-07-2014 01:10 PM

Re: What are the real lessons we should learn from Texans history?
 
7. Houston has a old Indian Curse and that's causing when it comes to football ....Houston is CHOKE CITY !!! and intill we Destory the Atrodome and appase the dead indians buried underneath it we are not going anywhere

JB 01-07-2014 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Norg (Post 2281530)
7. Houston has a old Indian Curse and that's causing when it comes to football ....Houston is CHOKE CITY !!! and intill we Destory the Atrodome and appase the dead indians buried underneath it we are not going anywhere

neg rep worthy right there imo

Bulls on Parade 01-07-2014 03:35 PM

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There are no curses just poor decision making by the general manager. What if we didn't draft David Carr and took Julius Peppers instead? What if we didn't pass up on the likes of Ben Roethlisberger, Aaron Rodgers and even Joe Flacco, when we had the opportunity to draft any of them, all QBs who went on to win Super Bowls already.

People say it's hard to find a franchise quarterback but some lucky team usually drafts them and the teams who don't regret passing them up. Or what if after our 2-14 season in 2005 we had went after Drew Brees and Sean Payton instead of Matt Schaub and Gary Kubiak? The Saints went on to win a Super Bowl and have made several playoff appearances since.

It's about the choices being made by the front office. We hit a home run here and there but most of the time we have struck out. All it takes is a few smart moves being made to change the culture of the franchise. Any team can become a consistent winner. It's football and not rocket science.

There is nothing to learn but everything to gain moving forward.

Dutchrudder 01-07-2014 03:53 PM

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7. Never get involved in a land war in Asia.

Malloy 01-07-2014 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutchrudder (Post 2281613)
7. Never get involved in a land war in Asia.

Never go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line.

Hervoyel 01-07-2014 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bulls on Parade (Post 2281601)
There are no curses just poor decision making by the general manager. What if we didn't draft David Carr and took Julius Peppers instead? What if we didn't pass up on the likes of Ben Roethlisberger, Aaron Rodgers and even Joe Flacco, when we had the opportunity to draft any of them, all QBs who went on to win Super Bowls already.

People say it's hard to find a franchise quarterback but some lucky team usually drafts them and the teams who don't regret passing them up. Or what if after our 2-14 season in 2005 we had went after Drew Brees and Sean Payton instead of Matt Schaub and Gary Kubiak? The Saints went on to win a Super Bowl and have made several playoff appearances since.

It's about the choices being made by the front office. We hit a home run here and there but most of the time we have struck out. All it takes is a few smart moves being made to change the culture of the franchise. Any team can become a consistent winner. It's football and not rocket science.

There is nothing to learn but everything to gain moving forward.

This. It really does only come down to putting a handful of smart moves together at the right time. When the Texans drafted Carr over Peppers it went against everything they had been saying they would do. They talked about building the team right and getting their O/D lines set first but they went right past Julius Peppers and took the pretty-boy face of the franchise QB who was as destined to fail as it gets. They did that after watching Cleveland do the exact same thing with Tim Couch too. Moronic first move and I put that one on McNair solely. He gets a bit of a pass because he was new at this but damn what a mistake to make and then keep making for the next four years.

TheMatrix31 01-07-2014 05:23 PM

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The real lessons we should take is that one team wins the Super Bowl each year and that it takes a ****load of good management, performance, and luck to win.

steelbtexan 01-07-2014 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMatrix31 (Post 2281647)
The real lessons we should take is that one team wins the Super Bowl each year and that it takes a ****load of good management, performance, and luck to win.

If that's all the franchise has learned than they will be terrible forever.

Sad, but they will probably be repeating these mistakes again soon.

Playoffs 01-07-2014 06:20 PM

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8. Double check Tony Boselli's shoulder before drafting him.

infantrycak 01-07-2014 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hervoyel (Post 2281642)
This. It really does only come down to putting a handful of smart moves together at the right time. When the Texans drafted Carr over Peppers it went against everything they had been saying they would do. They talked about building the team right and getting their O/D lines set first but they went right past Julius Peppers and took the pretty-boy face of the franchise QB who was as destined to fail as it gets. They did that after watching Cleveland do the exact same thing with Tim Couch too. Moronic first move and I put that one on McNair solely. He gets a bit of a pass because he was new at this but damn what a mistake to make and then keep making for the next four years.

They did that after obtaining Boselli, Young, Walker, Payne and McKinney. And they drafted Pitts, Weary and Hill with 1st day picks. They did not go against what they said. They failed in their attempt.

Txn_in_FL 01-07-2014 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Malloy (Post 2281639)
Never go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line.

Never date a woman with a dagger tattoo on her back.

TheMatrix31 01-07-2014 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 2281715)
They did that after obtaining Boselli, Young, Walker, Payne and McKinney. And they drafted Pitts, Weary and Hill with 1st day picks. They did not go against what they said. They failed in their attempt.

Yep. They tried and it didn't work. That's why you get better management and coaching and try it again. If that doesn't work, keep going.

ThaShark316 01-07-2014 08:11 PM

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9. Find you a white woman that LOVES football.

EllisUnit 01-07-2014 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutchrudder (Post 2281613)
7. Never get involved in a land war in Asia.

10. Never listen to your wife when she says message me if you want to get lucky.

Honoring Earl 34 01-07-2014 08:56 PM

Re: What are the real lessons we should learn from Texans history?
 
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Originally Posted by Hervoyel (Post 2281642)
This. It really does only come down to putting a handful of smart moves together at the right time. When the Texans drafted Carr over Peppers it went against everything they had been saying they would do. They talked about building the team right and getting their O/D lines set first but they went right past Julius Peppers and took the pretty-boy face of the franchise QB who was as destined to fail as it gets. They did that after watching Cleveland do the exact same thing with Tim Couch too. Moronic first move and I put that one on McNair solely. He gets a bit of a pass because he was new at this but damn what a mistake to make and then keep making for the next four years.

The Texans couldn't put Peppers on a billboard . No ... you had to make a splash with DC .

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Texan_Bill 01-07-2014 09:00 PM

Re: What are the real lessons we should learn from Texans history?
 
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Originally Posted by Dutchrudder (Post 2281613)
7. Never get involved in a land war in Asia.

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Originally Posted by Malloy (Post 2281639)
Never go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line.

Never board an airplane whilst gaseous!!

Marshall 01-07-2014 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JB (Post 2281533)
neg rep worthy right there imo

Nope. The beginnings of an Urban Myth...

powda 01-07-2014 10:47 PM

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Bad qb play trumps all other parts being superior with the rare exception of a once in a generation defense (85 Bears and of course the hallmark Ravens.)

Bad coaching trumps having superior talent when playing playoff teams...and sometimes crappy teams. The difference between a good team and a bad team is often not a lot. How many 1 score losses have we had? You can usually blame those loses on 1 play or 1 bad coaching decision.

Building through the draft only works when you draft the right people.

Not building through the draft means your about to be in cap hell.

Drafting qb's who get haircuts on local tv = qb's who have the wrong set of priorities and should be avoided.

Drafting 1 year wonders who just transitioned from another position, have knee injuries, and can be had in the 2nd round of the supplemental draft likely aren't going to work out the way you want them to (I'm looking at you Tony.)

Trying to outsmart everyone else in the league only works half the time. See Ragone/Henson.

Re-upping players in advance of contract to "build a good repoire" and "quality reputation" among future free agents = no money to sign those free agents.

Roof open or closed someone's going to complain.

I can ALWAYS count of Epsn to go to commercial during the draft when the Texans are on the clock.

Draft commercials asking "what does your team need?" which featured no offensive line and only David Carr were completely and utterly wrong about David Carr.

If we are 0-15 or 15-0 I don't care. Under no circumstances are you allowed to lose to the cowboys. EVER.

steelbtexan 01-07-2014 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Marshall (Post 2281774)
Nope. The beginnings of an Urban Myth...

HLS&R and BoB are perpetuating the myth.


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