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htownfan32 01-04-2014 09:52 PM

Htownfan32's Bill O'Brien Mock
 
Howdy, folks. Hope y'all had a merry Christmas, happy holidays, and fantastic new years. New Years' Eve brought us two things - a fantastic comeback victory over Duke by #21 Texas A&M, and in the middle of that game a notification from ESPN that the Houston Texans hired Bill O'Brien as their new HC.

I feel that a culture change is imminent in the franchise. Bill O'Brien strikes me as much more gritty than Kubiak, and I think far more willing to take chances on players in terms of character issues. Gone are the "Texans-worthy" days.

That being said, here is my mock draft of the postseason. It certainly won't be my last, and I'm looking forward to the annual board mock, which is always fun to do with the rest of the draftnik community here at TT.

With that said, let's begin.

(Note: I am using CBS's draft tools for height/weight measurements. Feel free to interject if you think there is a discrepancy or mistake).


1. Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville, 6-3 205 lbs.

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/im...650&h=440&q=75


The back and forth on Bridgewater has been intense on this board, but I think as the offseason continues we will learn more and like more about Bridgewater. His OC Shawn Watson has said that he turned over the keys to the offense to Bridgewater as a sophomore. This kid is a film-room rat and lives and breathes the game. I see him step around exquisitely in the pocket instead of dancing like Manziel does sometimes (not going for a knock on my own university's QB, but he does tend to create pressure on himself sometimes). His release, while slightly unconventional, doesn't concern me that much. What does concern me is durability - he's skinny, but an NFL conditioning program will change that.

Long story short, TLDR; I think he is franchise QB material. And I have a gut feeling that Bill O'Brien will too.

Here's a better write up on Teddy than anything I can muster: http://mmqb.si.com/2014/01/02/teddy-...014-nfl-draft/


2. Trent Murphy, DE/OLB, Stanford, 6-6 261 lbs.

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/ar...650&h=435&q=85

Good pass rusher. Pac-12 DE who projects as a 3-4 OLB, he can step in and instantly contribute across from Whitney Mercilus. Featuring a good blend of speed and strength, with the ability to both pass the rusher and defend the run, he will be a good player for this defense, replacing Brooks Reed's lack of production. 2013 All-American and First Team All Pac-12 for 2012 and 2013.


3. JaWuan James, OT, Tennessee, 6-6 318 lbs.


http://a.espncdn.com/media/motion/20...mes_120731.jpg


I think James is the sleeper pick at OT for quite a few people. He could be a starting tackle at many colleges, and has played well for Tennessee throughout the season. Athletic and very solid in the running game. Will be a upgrade over the turnstile Derek Newton.


4. E.J. Gaines, CB, Mizzou, 5-10, 195 lbs.

http://binaryapi.ap.org/644f2fded4c3...42016/512x.jpg


This guy shut down Mike Evans, which tells me pretty much most of what I need to know. He's had good production in his games and I think will be a good replacement for the horrendous Brice McCain. Good mixture of cover and ball skills. Has played for a while and has been a solid member of the Mizzou secondary since 2011.


5. Taylor Hart, DE, Oregon, 6-6 287 lbs.

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/A.../6_1074294.jpg

Hart has been solid for Oregon this season. I believe he will rise slightly after the East West Shrine game but should be available for us. Recorded 64 tackles, five TFL, and three sacks. Limited playing time in certain blowout games due to the nature of Oregon wins.


6. Colt Lyerla, TE, Oregon, 6-5 250 lbs.

http://www.duckstopshere.com/images/...gonusat-si.jpg

So, remember that culture change I was talking about? I think we're going to see more high risk players out of our new regime. I feel like this same regime would have taken a chance on Tyrann Mathieu last draft and Vontaze Burfict the draft before. Lyerla has cocaine problems but is a player. In the 6th I would not balk at taking him because A) what do you have to lose? and B) if he can clean up his act, he will contribute to a TE corps featuring Graham and a promising young TE in Griffin. I think OD is gone this offseason.

7. Jordan Zumwalt, ILB, UCLA, 6-4 230 lbs.

Will need to put on some weight. I saw him play against Virginia Tech and he impressed me. Kind of a Braman type player, I think he will be a solid ST contributor and will fight to become a contributor at ILB. High motor guy.



What do y'all think?

Lucky 01-04-2014 10:10 PM

Re: Htownfan32's Bill O'Brien Mock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by htownfan32 (Post 2280096)
What do y'all think?

I think you're wrong about the Texans taking more "high risk" players. Nothing in O'Brien's background suggests that and that's not what McNair is about.

As far as the mock itself, it's as good as any in January. I think everything points to the Texans going QB in the 1st, and Bridgewater is the top rated guy thus far. But, it's early.

thunderkyss 01-04-2014 10:18 PM

Re: Htownfan32's Bill O'Brien Mock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by htownfan32 (Post 2280096)
1. Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville, 6-3 205 lbs.

2. Trent Murphy, DE/OLB, Stanford, 6-6 261 lbs.

3. JaWuan James, OT, Tennessee, 6-6 318 lbs.

4. E.J. Gaines, CB, Mizzou, 5-10, 195 lbs.

5. Taylor Hart, DE, Oregon, 6-6 287 lbs.

6. Colt Lyerla, TE, Oregon, 6-5 250 lbs.

7. Jordan Zumwalt, ILB, UCLA, 6-4 230 lbs.

What do y'all think?

Um... not really a Bridgewater 1-1 kinda guy... but I like it.

I'm really starting to like that Trent Murphy. Don't know him, but I can see Taylor Hart opposite Watt in a traditional 3-4. The tackle looks good to me. 6-6 318... We need a TE. I like Orgon players.

If Rick Smith takes care of business in FA, this could be a very good draft.

Texecutioner 01-04-2014 10:32 PM

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Way to early to have any idea how O'Brien is going to go.

beerlover 01-04-2014 10:38 PM

Re: Htownfan32's Bill O'Brien Mock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texecutioner (Post 2280110)
Way to early to have any idea how O'Brien is going to go.

Why comment when you have, no idea :kitten:

beerlover 01-04-2014 10:59 PM

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I obviously endorse all your picks since if not the same players in my shared production with WolverineFan at least you addressed all the same positions in the same slots, with exception that Texans will be cutting some major fat off roster in favor of transforming it to a more cap friendly, younger & talented roster hence at least one 5th rd. compensatory pick. I'm sure Texans will address as many needs as possible via free agency, but with minimum cost, focus will be on drafting smart & keeping core players. Texans have failed in past to retain own draft picks for various reasons, but really don't feel Barwin or Quin were unreasonable, what was unreasonable were the contracts offered to retain David Carr & then again Matt Schuab both into lame duck seasons & crippling the cap structure 2-3 more years each. Sorry kinda of got off on a tangent but it really does affect a teams draft board even if you propose BPA approach, just not realistic. Another big difference, even though I like to address secondary as well in 4th is the change to a more traditional 3-4. We need a big, run stuffing, double team hoarding nose. You have none. I do like Hart & if he where there in the 5th I would select him too but need upgrade over Mitchell first. Good stuff!

steelbtexan 01-04-2014 11:08 PM

Re: Htownfan32's Bill O'Brien Mock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by htownfan32 (Post 2280096)
Howdy, folks. Hope y'all had a merry Christmas, happy holidays, and fantastic new years. New Years' Eve brought us two things - a fantastic comeback victory over Duke by #21 Texas A&M, and in the middle of that game a notification from ESPN that the Houston Texans hired Bill O'Brien as their new HC.

I feel that a culture change is imminent in the franchise. Bill O'Brien strikes me as much more gritty than Kubiak, and I think far more willing to take chances on players in terms of character issues. Gone are the "Texans-worthy" days.

That being said, here is my mock draft of the postseason. It certainly won't be my last, and I'm looking forward to the annual board mock, which is always fun to do with the rest of the draftnik community here at TT.

With that said, let's begin.

(Note: I am using CBS's draft tools for height/weight measurements. Feel free to interject if you think there is a discrepancy or mistake).


1. Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville, 6-3 205 lbs.

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/im...650&h=440&q=75


The back and forth on Bridgewater has been intense on this board, but I think as the offseason continues we will learn more and like more about Bridgewater. His OC Shawn Watson has said that he turned over the keys to the offense to Bridgewater as a sophomore. This kid is a film-room rat and lives and breathes the game. I see him step around exquisitely in the pocket instead of dancing like Manziel does sometimes (not going for a knock on my own university's QB, but he does tend to create pressure on himself sometimes). His release, while slightly unconventional, doesn't concern me that much. What does concern me is durability - he's skinny, but an NFL conditioning program will change that.

Long story short, TLDR; I think he is franchise QB material. And I have a gut feeling that Bill O'Brien will too.

Here's a better write up on Teddy than anything I can muster: http://mmqb.si.com/2014/01/02/teddy-...014-nfl-draft/


2. Trent Murphy, DE/OLB, Stanford, 6-6 261 lbs.

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/ar...650&h=435&q=85

Good pass rusher. Pac-12 DE who projects as a 3-4 OLB, he can step in and instantly contribute across from Whitney Mercilus. Featuring a good blend of speed and strength, with the ability to both pass the rusher and defend the run, he will be a good player for this defense, replacing Brooks Reed's lack of production. 2013 All-American and First Team All Pac-12 for 2012 and 2013.


3. JaWuan James, OT, Tennessee, 6-6 318 lbs.


http://a.espncdn.com/media/motion/20...mes_120731.jpg


I think James is the sleeper pick at OT for quite a few people. He could be a starting tackle at many colleges, and has played well for Tennessee throughout the season. Athletic and very solid in the running game. Will be a upgrade over the turnstile Derek Newton.


4. E.J. Gaines, CB, Mizzou, 5-10, 195 lbs.

http://binaryapi.ap.org/644f2fded4c3...42016/512x.jpg


This guy shut down Mike Evans, which tells me pretty much most of what I need to know. He's had good production in his games and I think will be a good replacement for the horrendous Brice McCain. Good mixture of cover and ball skills. Has played for a while and has been a solid member of the Mizzou secondary since 2011.


5. Taylor Hart, DE, Oregon, 6-6 287 lbs.

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/A.../6_1074294.jpg

Hart has been solid for Oregon this season. I believe he will rise slightly after the East West Shrine game but should be available for us. Recorded 64 tackles, five TFL, and three sacks. Limited playing time in certain blowout games due to the nature of Oregon wins.


6. Colt Lyerla, TE, Oregon, 6-5 250 lbs.

http://www.duckstopshere.com/images/...gonusat-si.jpg

So, remember that culture change I was talking about? I think we're going to see more high risk players out of our new regime. I feel like this same regime would have taken a chance on Tyrann Mathieu last draft and Vontaze Burfict the draft before. Lyerla has cocaine problems but is a player. In the 6th I would not balk at taking him because A) what do you have to lose? and B) if he can clean up his act, he will contribute to a TE corps featuring Graham and a promising young TE in Griffin. I think OD is gone this offseason.

7. Jordan Zumwalt, ILB, UCLA, 6-4 230 lbs.

Will need to put on some weight. I saw him play against Virginia Tech and he impressed me. Kind of a Braman type player, I think he will be a solid ST contributor and will fight to become a contributor at ILB. High motor guy.



What do y'all think?

1.Bridgewater- Do not want, but if he's good enough for BO'B I'm good with him.

2. Murphy- Like him alot, Watt/Murphy means pass rush/intensity

3. James- Good pick, massive upgrade over Newton.

4. Gaines- Perfect nickle corner, the less we see of McCain the better.

5. Hart- Dont think he will be there, I like Hart alot. 3rd rd on my board.

6. Lyerla- love this pick BoB wont take him, so give me Jordan Najvar

7. Zumwalt- Dont know much about him.

Hopefully we get a comp 5th rd pick to add to this. Good job

Texecutioner 01-04-2014 11:18 PM

Re: Htownfan32's Bill O'Brien Mock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by beerlover (Post 2280113)
Why comment when you have, no idea :kitten:

Hey man, knock yourself out with the Mock. I'm not trying to spoil you or anyone else's fun here. :tip hat:

I'm just simply saying that it's way to early to really decisively figure out which way that our new HC will go. We have no idea what QB's he likes thus far other than wanting one that is a for sure good passer that can make all kinds of throws from what he has said. He mentioned that he liked the skill set of guys like Wilson and RG3, but said that because they could pass and have the wheels. We don't know if he likes to trade down, trade up, or how much he values the defensive side of the ball being an offensive coach. It's just hard to have any real idea how he will approach this draft at this particular time.

But personally I think it's always way to early to start the Mock draft stuff at this time of the year. But people do it any way. Again, not trying to debbie down it for you guys. Just saying that I don't look at anything as being anywhere near accurate at this point.

Corrosion 01-05-2014 02:05 AM

Re: Htownfan32's Bill O'Brien Mock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by htownfan32 (Post 2280096)
Howdy, folks. Hope y'all had a merry Christmas, happy holidays, and fantastic new years. New Years' Eve brought us two things - a fantastic comeback victory over Duke by #21 Texas A&M, and in the middle of that game a notification from ESPN that the Houston Texans hired Bill O'Brien as their new HC.

I feel that a culture change is imminent in the franchise. Bill O'Brien strikes me as much more gritty than Kubiak, and I think far more willing to take chances on players in terms of character issues. Gone are the "Texans-worthy" days.

That being said, here is my mock draft of the postseason. It certainly won't be my last, and I'm looking forward to the annual board mock, which is always fun to do with the rest of the draftnik community here at TT.

With that said, let's begin.

(Note: I am using CBS's draft tools for height/weight measurements. Feel free to interject if you think there is a discrepancy or mistake).


1. Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville, 6-3 205 lbs.



2. Trent Murphy, DE/OLB, Stanford, 6-6 261 lbs.



3. JaWuan James, OT, Tennessee, 6-6 318 lbs.



4. E.J. Gaines, CB, Mizzou, 5-10, 195 lbs.



5. Taylor Hart, DE, Oregon, 6-6 287 lbs.



6. Colt Lyerla, TE, Oregon, 6-5 250 lbs.



So, remember that culture change I was talking about? I

7. Jordan Zumwalt, ILB, UCLA, 6-4 230 lbs.




What do y'all think?



1: I can live with Teddy as I don't mind taking the risk with a potential franchise QB. Not my personal choice. Hell , I really don't have one yet , I'm still "undecided". Im stuck between Teddy , Johnny & trade down.

2: I really like Trent Murphy. Wonder if he lasts this long , we'll have to see how he does at the combine. I can easily see him gone in the mid 20's. Probably the 3rd or 4th rated DE in the draft , how many go in round one ?! May have to make a move up to get him.

3: JaWuan James is another solid pick , moves Newton to the bench or ..... gone. Either is fine with me.

4: E.J. Gaines Love the player , not sure if that's the way I'd go tho - RB and ILB are begging for attention - Tate gone , unsatisfied with Mays who's also a FA.
Gaines probably isn't around in the 4th round , likely a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

5: Taylor Hart - Again a solid player but double dipping at the DE spot .... Cant ever have enough pass rushers but .... so many holes to fill.

6: Colt Lyerla - Ok , Gary's gone .... but Nob McNair still holds the reigns. Like the player & the position .... but It wasn't Gary who wanted choir boys , Its Bob.

7: Jordan Zumwalt Good player , good size , position in need of a talent infusion. Wont be available in round 7 , rated by many as a 3rd rounder (at OLB).


Overall I like it .... Just keep in mind that Bob McNair owns the team and likes his employee's clean cut.

infantrycak 01-05-2014 12:36 PM

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I think the squeaky clean thing is over-played. The Texans have taken players with backgrounds. Jerome Mathis and Travis Johnson both had fighting incidents. Okoye supposedly tested positive for pot. Cushing was rumored for years to be on roids.

beerlover 01-05-2014 03:24 PM

Re: Htownfan32's Bill O'Brien Mock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 2280302)
I think the squeaky clean thing is over-played. The Texans have taken players with backgrounds. Jerome Mathis and Travis Johnson both had fighting incidents. Okoye supposedly tested positive for pot. Cushing was rumored for years to be on roids.

cocaine & the manner he reacted with weeks leading up to event do raise more serious doubts than those above mentioned. better talent however, is what trumps all it seems :toropalm:

steelbtexan 01-05-2014 03:34 PM

Re: Htownfan32's Bill O'Brien Mock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 2280302)
I think the squeaky clean thing is over-played. The Texans have taken players with backgrounds. Jerome Mathis and Travis Johnson both had fighting incidents. Okoye supposedly tested positive for pot. Cushing was rumored for years to be on roids.

If this were true Justin Houston/Johnny Jolly/Cromartie etc... would be Houston Texans and the Texans would be better for it.

infantrycak 01-05-2014 03:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by steelbtexan (Post 2280393)
If this were true Justin Houston/Johnny Jolly/Cromartie etc... would be Houston Texans and the Texans would be better for it.

The Texans have taken on some potential problem children. The fact they didn't take on your favorites or all the problem children in the league doesn't negate that.

steelbtexan 01-05-2014 03:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 2280407)
The Texans have taken on some potential problem children. The fact they didn't take on your favorites or all the problem children in the league doesn't negate that.

You mean the difference makers?

infantrycak 01-05-2014 04:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by steelbtexan (Post 2280411)
You mean the difference makers?

I mean playing hindsight cherry picking out the guys who have worked so far is BS.

kingtexan 01-05-2014 04:22 PM

Re: Htownfan32's Bill O'Brien Mock
 
If O'Brien has anything at all to say about who we draft, and we take Bridgewater, I will have to re-think my position that he is a very good choice to lead us into the future. If he is as good as I think, we will trade out of the first pick, or at worst take Matthews or Clowney because his scouting convinces him we cant pass one of them up. TB is not a #1 overall pick quality player, and just because we need a QB we don't waste that pick on him, or any other QB in this years draft.

infantrycak 01-05-2014 04:33 PM

Re: Htownfan32's Bill O'Brien Mock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kingtexan (Post 2280425)
TB is not a #1 overall pick quality player...

Neither is Matthews - he's just the best of this year's OTs. Clowney would be but for his motivation and injury issues.

Honoring Earl 34 01-05-2014 04:42 PM

Re: Htownfan32's Bill O'Brien Mock
 
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Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 2280437)
Neither is Matthews - he's just the best of this year's OTs. Clowney would be but for his motivation and injury issues.

This before any have worked out or ran a 40 .

infantrycak 01-05-2014 04:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Honoring Earl 34 (Post 2280446)
This before any have worked out or ran a 40 .

This what? I don't care what Matthews does at the combine. His play is not that of an elite LT. Clowney is not going to disprove either the motivation or injury issues at the combine.

steelbtexan 01-05-2014 04:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 2280423)
I mean playing hindsight cherry picking out the guys who have worked so far is BS.

Checkout the 2012 mock draft threads, I called for Justin Houston in many of them.

I also called for the Texans to trade for Talib/Lynch. Many said they would rather lose than have those types of guys on the Texans. BoB agrees with them.

How's that 2-14 working out?


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