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badboy 12-16-2013 10:32 PM

Jake Matthews now #1
 
NFLDraftscout now has Matthews rated #1 and Bridgewater dropped to #4 on new board from today.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...kings/2014/all

beerlover 12-16-2013 10:42 PM

Re: Jake Matthews now #1
 
Darqueze Dennard to #7 top rated CB now.

Corrosion 12-16-2013 10:48 PM

Re: Jake Matthews now #1
 
Earlier in the season , I preferred Matthews .... In general I still do.

But .... Circumstances dictate course of action.

The circumstances here are simple - We don't have a quarterback. If you don't have a franchise QB , you go get one. Teddy , should he declare is probably your best bet to become that franchise QB , at least in this draft.

I don't want one of the scrap heap QB's that will be FA's this offseason , they have all proven they aren't "Franchise Quarterbacks." They are Schaub or worse .... I've had enough of that.

I guess you do have the option of drafting Matthews and letting Case act like an NFL QB for another season then drafting Jameis Winston or Marcus Mariota in the 2015 draft .... but I'm not so sure I can stomach another season like this one.

Wolf6151 12-16-2013 10:50 PM

Re: Jake Matthews now #1
 
I saw this a few days ago and wonder why Bridgewater has fallen a little. If the Texans took Matthews #1 overall then Rick Smith should be fired on the spot. #1 overall on a RT is not the best use of your resources. If they don't think Bridgewater is worthy of the #1 pick so be it. Trade down, get extra picks and then take Cyrus Kouandjio or Cameron Erving in the 1st.

badboy 12-16-2013 10:50 PM

Re: Jake Matthews now #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by beerlover (Post 2270010)
Darqueze Dennard to #7 top rated CB now.

Hey! How are you evaluating McCarron now? He has climbed to second round. I think he will have a solid if not spectacular combine. Appreciate your views.

Corrosion 12-16-2013 11:02 PM

Re: Jake Matthews now #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolf6151 (Post 2270014)
I saw this a few days ago and wonder why Bridgewater has fallen a little. If the Texans took Matthews #1 overall then Rick Smith should be fired on the spot. #1 overall on a RT is not the best use of your resources. If they don't think Bridgewater is worthy of the #1 pick so be it. Trade down, get extra picks and then take Cyrus Kouandjio or Cameron Erving in the 1st.

Well , there are a couple ways to look at this .....

Yeah , Matthews would play RT here .... but how many more good years does Duane Brown have ? Will he actually play out that contract thru 2019 ?!? Matthews would be Browns replacement .... already on the roster. You have to think of this as a long term pick , not just the here & now.


If they decide Bridgewater isn't their guy , I'd much prefer to trade down too .... but you have to have a team willing to trade up for you to move down. Maybe you cant find a willing partner ....


Irving is a beast .... but again , is RT the best use of that asset ?! Its not #1 overall but its still likely top 5-8.


A trade down that landed one of Irving , Mosley or Evans .... would make me happy.

mussop 12-16-2013 11:24 PM

Re: Jake Matthews now #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Corrosion (Post 2270018)
Well , there are a couple ways to look at this .....

Yeah , Matthews would play RT here .... but how many more good years does Duane Brown have ? Will he actually play out that contract thru 2019 ?!? Matthews would be Browns replacement .... already on the roster. You have to think of this as a long term pick , not just the here & now.


If they decide Bridgewater isn't their guy , I'd much prefer to trade down too .... but you have to have a team willing to trade up for you to move down. Maybe you cant find a willing partner ....


Irving is a beast .... but again , is RT the best use of that asset ?! Its not #1 overall but its still likely top 5-8.


A trade down that landed one of Irving , Mosley or Evans .... would make me happy.


This!

steelbtexan 12-16-2013 11:32 PM

Re: Jake Matthews now #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Corrosion (Post 2270012)
Earlier in the season , I preferred Matthews .... In general I still do.

But .... Circumstances dictate course of action.

The circumstances here are simple - We don't have a quarterback. If you don't have a franchise QB , you go get one. Teddy , should he declare is probably your best bet to become that franchise QB , at least in this draft.

I don't want one of the scrap heap QB's that will be FA's this offseason , they have all proven they aren't "Franchise Quarterbacks." They are Schaub or worse .... I've had enough of that.

I guess you do have the option of drafting Matthews and letting Case act like an NFL QB for another season then drafting Jameis Winston or Marcus Mariota in the 2015 draft .... but I'm not so sure I can stomach another season like this one.

I dont want Matthews at 1-1.

I could live with Jason Campbell next yr if it meant getting one of the top 5 QB's in 2015. After filling in all of the holes in this yrs draft. Long term planning should be the key. Do I think BoB/Rick are capable of this? Nope. Gotta sell those tickets/jerseys etc... Get ready to buy your Bridgewater jersey because that's what BoB does. Regardless of if Bridgewater his best for the long term health of his franchise.

But as another poster said BoB doesn't owe us anything and this is true. Because if it wasn't true Rick Smith would be out of a JOB.

Texian 12-17-2013 07:32 AM

Re: Jake Matthews now #1
 
IMHO I don't think Matthews will be the first OT taken in the draft. There are a couple of more athletic OTs that could be in this draft. Matthews last few games were disappointing.

Playoffs 12-17-2013 09:33 AM

Re: Jake Matthews now #1
 
I have no issue taking Matthews if we'll have have a shot at a Bortles in the 2nd and/or a Mettenberger in the 3rd.

St. Louis would take Matthews or Clowney or Teddy, so they won't be a trade partner.

We won't get to see the most interesting part of this offseason, which will be the trade machinations/offers/scenarios.

bah007 12-17-2013 09:38 AM

Re: Jake Matthews now #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Playoffs (Post 2270081)
I have no issue taking Matthews if we'll have have a shot at a Bortles in the 2nd and/or a Mettenberger in the 3rd.

St. Louis would take Matthews or Clowney or Teddy, so they won't be a trade partner.

We won't get to see the most interesting part of this offseason, which will be the trade machinations/offers/scenarios.

Not likely barring some unforeseen event. Bortles is basically a top 20 lock at this point and Mettenberger won't make it out of the top half of the second round.

This is also the problem with all the trade back scenarios. How do you ensure that you can trade back and still get the guy you want?

Playoffs 12-17-2013 09:56 AM

Re: Jake Matthews now #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bah007 (Post 2270083)
Not likely barring some unforeseen event. Bortles is basically a top 20 lock at this point and Mettenberger won't make it out of the top half of the second round.

For the purposes of this discussion I'm using their board, which has Bortles at 38 and Mettenberger at 80.

badboy 12-17-2013 09:57 AM

Re: Jake Matthews now #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bah007 (Post 2270083)
Not likely barring some unforeseen event. Bortles is basically a top 20 lock at this point and Mettenberger won't make it out of the top half of the second round.

This is also the problem with all the trade back scenarios. How do you ensure that you can trade back and still get the guy you want?

Well in our situation as we have so many needs, we select the guy the team we trade with wants and then swap when they pick the guy we want. If the deal falls through we still have very good player 1-1. For me there is so much question with all the QBs, if we hit on one in later rounds, it could be best bet. I am again looking at McCarron who has moved up a round. If you can set aside the "game manager" description he compares favorably with all especially if you figure in wins and competition, playing under the lights. With a refurbished offensive line (which we have to do regardless who takes snaps) and a healthy Foster a "game manager may just be what we need. You can say AJ was nominated for Heisman on body of work not 2013 but you could also say many other QBs were not selected due to their 2013. For me body of work shows consistency.

Dutchrudder 12-17-2013 09:58 AM

Re: Jake Matthews now #1
 
Anyone advocating a RT in the 1st round should be fired from their pretend-GM job. There is absolutely no reason why we can't get a pass rusher or QB with our 1-1 pick. Those are the two biggest premium positions in the league, besides LT, which we already have in Duane Brown. We really shouldn't have to spend more than a 3rd on a competent RT given where we will be drafting. Let someone else pick Matthews or whoever at OT in the 1st while we focus on OLB and QB with our first two picks.

Honoring Earl 34 12-17-2013 10:01 AM

Re: Jake Matthews now #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dutchrudder (Post 2270100)
Anyone advocating a RT in the 1st round should be fired from their pretend-GM job. There is absolutely no reason why we can't get a pass rushing QB with our 1-1 pick. Those are the two biggest premium positions in the league, besides LT, which we already have in Duane Brown. We really shouldn't have to spend more than a 3rd on a competent RT given where we will be drafting. Let someone else pick Matthews or whoever at OT in the 1st while we focus on OLB and QB with our first two picks.


This is what we really need . :peek:

Marcus 12-17-2013 07:19 PM

Re: Jake Matthews now #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dutchrudder (Post 2270100)
Anyone advocating a RT in the 1st round should be fired from their pretend-GM job.

Well, go ahead and fire me then. I really didn't like working for you anyways. :fingergun:

If we get Matthews at 1-1, and Mettenburger at 2-1, I'm good.

EDIT: Given that this year's draft has NOBODY worth the 1st overall pick, and if you don't have any takers in trading down, then you minimize the risk and take the SAFE pick. All the QBs on the board are at risk of being a bust. Given the David Carr fiasco, taking that risk again without addressing the OL is stupid.

Matthews is the less risky pick. Play it safe, and take the risks in the lower rounds.

badboy 12-17-2013 08:08 PM

Re: Jake Matthews now #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dutchrudder (Post 2270100)
Anyone advocating a RT in the 1st round should be fired from their pretend-GM job. There is absolutely no reason why we can't get a pass rusher or QB with our 1-1 pick. Those are the two biggest premium positions in the league, besides LT, which we already have in Duane Brown. We really shouldn't have to spend more than a 3rd on a competent RT given where we will be drafting. Let someone else pick Matthews or whoever at OT in the 1st while we focus on OLB and QB with our first two picks.

The first pick has to be a solid starter for several years with probable pro bowl invites. Matthews imo has fewer risks than almost any player including Barr and all QBs. Can we trade down and still get a good tackle, sure but cannot we say the same about most other positions also?

The history of Texans drafting is usually to select a player who can play more than one position. Matthews should be able to play four of five and maybe center, as did his dad who had five years as a pro bowl center. I think Jake is closer to a franchise type player than any of the other projected first rounders. You cannot always look at the dad and see how the son will do but the Matthews have done pretty well going back to Clay Matthews Senior.

steelbtexan 12-17-2013 08:30 PM

Re: Jake Matthews now #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcus (Post 2270377)
Well, go ahead and fire me then. I really didn't like working for you anyways. :fingergun:

If we get Matthews at 1-1, and Mettenburger at 2-1, I'm good.

EDIT: Given that this year's draft has NOBODY worth the 1st overall pick, and if you don't have any takers in trading down, then you minimize the risk and take the SAFE pick. All the QBs on the board are at risk of being a bust. Given the David Carr fiasco, taking that risk again without addressing the OL is stupid.

Matthews is the less risky pick. Play it safe, and take the risks in the lower rounds.

Give me Clowney at 1-1. But I wouldn't be upset with your scenerio. Cant go wrong with picking Matthews.

Texan_Bill 12-17-2013 08:59 PM

Re: Jake Matthews now #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Corrosion (Post 2270012)
Earlier in the season , I preferred Matthews .... In general I still do.

But .... Circumstances dictate course of action.

The circumstances here are simple - We don't have a quarterback. If you don't have a franchise QB , you go get one. .

"Jane, you ignorant slut!"

This draft is rich with QB's.... Just sayin'....

I mean after all Derek Carr would be available... :kitten:

Dutchrudder 12-17-2013 09:51 PM

Re: Jake Matthews now #1
 
What's the point of having a RT if he has no one worth protecting?

What's the point in having the first pick if you can't confidently draft an above average (at least) starter at multiple positions?

What's the point in drafting if you aren't willing to take a little risk?

We have been drafting ****ty in the later rounds for years. Most teams find their RT in free agency or later rounds of the draft. There's no reason why the Texans can't do that, or shouldn't try. You rarely see a team spend 2 first round picks on both tackle positions, because it's just too damn much to spend on a position that should be filled for less resources. If you can't find a competent RT in rounds 3-1 though 7 then you need a new GM (which I am in favor of!).

Think of it this way, how much does the average RT cost in the NFL? How much dose the average strong-side pass rusher cost? How much does the average QB cost?

Figure out where to spend picks based on scarcity and costs so you don't over-allocate resources to one position. Picking Matthews, IMO, is overallocating resources to the OT position. It would be a reactionary pick due to the poor play at RT, rather than a calculated pick based on salary-cap football.


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