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Playoffs 12-13-2013 02:06 PM

Rob Rang 2014 draft
 
Rob Rang's Big Board

1. DE Jadeveon Clowney, South Carolina (6-6, 268, 4.65)*: There is no denying that by registering only three sacks (and zero forced fumbles) in the 2013 regular season, Clowney has failed to live up to expectations. He also enflamed concerns about his maturity with a Dec. 7 speeding ticket in which he was clocked at 110 mph. Clowney's red flags are real, but so is his talent. In 13 years of grading prospects for the NFL Draft, Clowney competes only with former No. 2 overall pick Julius Peppers (2002) as the most gifted I've ever seen.

2. QB Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville (6-3, 220, 4.65)*: In an era in which college quarterbacks' numbers are often inflated by short passes and relatively simplistic schemes, Bridgewater's sparkling production is due to Pro Bowl-caliber accuracy. His success (70.2 percent completion rate with 28 touchdowns against four interceptions) comes out of a pro-style offense that forces him to make tough throws. Bridgewater's slight frame and level of competition are concerns. Bridgewater's poise will be tested in the Florida Citrus Bowl on Dec. 28; he'll be facing his hometown Miami Hurricanes in the game most believe will be his last at the collegiate level.

3. OLB Anthony Barr, UCLA (6-4, 238, 4.73): A running back until last season, Barr has emerged as one of the elite prospects in the country and is my top-rated senior at any position. A powerful and fluid athlete at his best rushing off the edge, Barr was named the 2013 recipient of the LOTT Impact Award with 62 tackles, 20 tackles for loss, 10 sacks and five forced fumbles during the regular season.

4. QB Derek Carr, Fresno State (6-3, 215, 4.78): Carr's staggering production (70.1 completion percentage, 48 TDs, seven INTs) is certainly inflated by head coach Tim DeRuyter's QB-friendly spread attack and legitimately talented receiving corps, but there is no denying his talent. His release and velocity are as impressive as any college quarterback in the country. Back in 2002, his older brother David sealed up the No. 1 overall pick with a dominant performance at the Senior Bowl. It isn't out of the question that Derek could match the feat 12 years later.

5. OT Jake Matthews, Texas A&M (6-5, 305, 5.14: The son of Hall of Famer Bruce Matthews, Jake proves the cliché true -- the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. He has played well at left tackle this season after starring at right tackle during his first three years. Matthews is a terrific football player, demonstrating impressive technique, strength and consistency. He is not, however, an elite athlete and some view his future back on the right side in the NFL.

6. WR Sammy Watkins, Clemson (6-1, 200, 4.49)*

7. CB Darqueze Dennard, Michigan State (5-11, 197, 4.52): Quick feet, loose hips and a fluid turning motion make Dennard a classic cover corner capable of shutting down half the field. His ability in coverage played a huge role in the Spartans' run to the Big Ten Championship, as was recognized with Dennard winning the Thorpe Award as the nation's elite defensive back.

8. OT Cyrus Kouandjio, Alabama (6-5, 312, 5.12)*: -- Nick Saban questioned draft analysts for pegging Kouandjio as a first-round talent before the season, but given the junior left tackle's exciting skill set, the projection has been an easy one. Athletic and aggressive, Kouandjio could overtake some of the other top tackles in this class should he elect to enter the draft a year early.

9. OT Cameron Erving, Florida State (6-5, 310, 5.26)*: Erving played in 13 games as a redshirt freshman defensive tackle, but looked like a natural when moved to left tackle a season ago, though he remains a bit inconsistent. Long, balanced and athletic, he's a hidden factor in the dynamic play of freshman quarterback Jameis Winston and could enjoy a "quiet" ride into the top 10 of the 2014 draft just as former Texas A&M left tackle Luke Joeckel did a year ago while blocking for Heisman winner Johnny Manziel.

10. OLB C.J. Mosley, Alabama (6-2, 232, 4.56): While a bit undersized, Mosley might be the best pound-for-pound player in the country. Athletic and instinctive, he is a true three-down linebacker capable of making plays against the run and pass. Mosley lacks the bulk scouts want in a pass rusher but his awareness in coverage is special.

11. OLB Khalil Mack, Buffalo (6-3, 248, 4.66): With a record-tying 75 career tackles for loss, Mack's statistics jump off the page. Against the most gifted opponents he faced this year (Ohio State, Connecticut), it was his game that jumped off the screen. His size, instincts and agility as an edge rusher make him equally intriguing to teams operating out of a 4-3 or 3-4 alignment.

12. OT Cedric Ogbuehi, Texas A&M (6-5, 300, 5.15)*

13. WR Mike Evans, Texas A&M (6-5, 225, 4.58)*: Like his famous quarterback Johnny Manziel, Evans is only a redshirt sophomore, but he has a big decision to make after dominating the SEC most of the season. Deceptively fast and possessing great body control as well as timing, Evans is an exciting split end prospect who reminds scouts of Tampa Bay Buccaneers star Vincent Jackson. Of concern, however, is the fact that Evans struggled in his final two regular-season games, catching only eight passes for a combined 59 yards in losses to LSU and Missouri.

14. TE Eric Ebron, North Carolina (6-4, 245, 4.67)*

15. CB Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, Oregon (5-10, 190, 4.52)*: Lost in the hype of Oregon's offense are a number of highly regarded defenders, including Ekpre-Olomu, who combines great instincts, agility and physicality to shut down his side of the field. Ekpre-Olomu's toughness on the perimeter played a significant role in Oregon's victory against Oregon State in the Civil War; he posted 12 tackles (all solos), deflected three passes and intercepted another while helping to limit Beavers star WR Brandin Cooks.

16. OT Taylor Lewan, Michigan (6-7, 310, 5.04): Possessing an impressive combination of size, strength and toughness, Lewan has earned comparisons to former Michigan standout Jake Long throughout his career with the Wolverines. He certainly looked the part against Ohio State, dominating the action up front.

17. DL Stephon Tuitt, Notre Dame (6-5, 303, 4.89)*

18. DE Trent Murphy, Stanford (6-6, 261, 4.85)

19. TE Jace Amaro, Texas Tech (6-5, 260, 4.67)*

20. OT Greg Robinson, Auburn* (6-5, 320, 5.38): Redshirt offensive linemen rarely earn more than a whisper in scouting circles, but the buzz generating around the Tigers' star left tackle is venturing into deafening. Physical and tenacious, Robinson is a grizzly bear in the running game, mauling opponents with an exciting blend of size (6-5, 320 pounds), strength and athleticism. Auburn's reliance on the running game, however, has given Robinson few opportunities in pass protection, making him a bit of a boom-or-bust prospect at this early point.

21. WR Marqise Lee, Southern Cal (6-0, 195, 4.51)*

22. OG Cyril Richardson, Baylor (6-5, 335, 5.27): A dominating drive blocker who projects best at guard but spent the entire 2011 season protecting Robert Griffin III at left tackle, Richardson is massive, powerful and shockingly athletic. Richardson was recognized with the Jim Parker Award as the nation's top blocker and headlines a strong class of interior linemen.

23. OC Travis Swanson, Arkansas (6-4, 318, 5.26)

24. OLB Ryan Shazier, Ohio State (6-2, 226, 4.58)*: Shazier might be 10-15 pounds lighter than scouts would prefer, but his instincts, speed and bone-jarring hits make him a fearful defender that offenses must account for on every snap. No one played better for the Buckeyes against Michigan State in the Big Ten title game than Shazier, who recorded 12 tackles, two pass breakups and a blocked punt against the Spartans.

25. QB Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M (5-11, 210, 4.45)*: Manziel's vision, elusiveness and accuracy while on the move make him a mesmerizing prospect, but red flags were raised with mediocre performances against LSU and Missouri to end the regular season. Bottled in the pocket by both, Manziel was unable to throw his receivers open and he struggled. The NFL rule books have never been more accommodating to dual-threat passers, but consistent accuracy from the pocket remains the most critical element to quarterback play at the next level.

26. CB Justin Gilbert, Oklahoma State (6-0, 200, 4.52)

27. QB Blake Bortles, Central Florida* (6-3, 230, 4.78): A prototypically built pocket passer with good awareness and anticipation, Bortles looks the part of an NFL starting quarterback. Should he star in UCF's Fiesta Bowl showdown with the explosive Baylor Bears, the junior could have a tough time ignoring the NFL buzz his play is building.

28. WR Brandin Cooks, Oregon State* (5-10, 186, 4.52)

29. DT Ra'Shede Hageman, Minnesota (6-6, 311, 4.95)

30. CB Jason Verrett, TCU (5-10, 182, 4.49)

31. TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins, Washington* (6-6, 276, 4.75)

32. OG David Yankey, Stanford* (6-5, 314, 5.08)

Just missed the cut:

DT Will Sutton, Arizona State
OLB Vic Beasley, Clemson*
CB Bradley Roby, Ohio State*
RB Ka'Deem Carey, Arizona*
ILB Shayne Skov, Stanford
WR Jordan Matthews, Vanderbilt
QB Brett Hundley, UCLA*
WR Allen Robinson, Penn State*
FS Hasean Clinton-Dix, Alabama*
OT La'el Collins, LSU*
OG Xavier Su'a-Filo, UCLA*
DE/OLB Trevor Reilly, Utah
DT Aaron Donald, Pittsburgh
DT Ego Ferguson, LSU*
OLB Kyle Van Noy, BYU

badboy 12-13-2013 11:42 PM

Re: Rob Rang 2014 draft
 
A bit surprised he has Ogbuehi that high. I like him but in second and would be stunned if changes his mind and declares.

Playoffs 01-16-2014 09:12 PM

Re: Rob Rang 2014 draft
 
Rob Rang ‏@RobRang
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Asked to grade the talent of last year's draft, I gave it a 5 out of 10. This year? A strong 8. Here's why: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/s...aft-class-deep
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1. DE Jadeveon Clowney, South Carolina (6-6, 268, 4.65)*: There is no denying that Clowney failed to live up to expectations statistically-speaking. He also inflamed concerns about his maturity with two speeding tickets before the Gamecocks' bowl game. Clowney's red flags are real, but so is his talent. Imposing, explosive and more technically sound than many realize, Clowney competes only with former No. 2 overall pick Julius Peppers (2002) as the most gifted defensive end prospect I have ever seen.

2. OT Jake Matthews, Texas A&M (6-5, 305, 5.14)

3. OT Greg Robinson, Auburn* (6-5, 320, 5.38)

4. QB Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville (6-3, 220, 4.65)*: In an era in which college quarterbacks' numbers are often inflated by short passes and relatively simplistic schemes, Bridgewater's sparkling production is due to Pro Bowl-caliber accuracy. His success (71 percent completion rate with 31 touchdowns against just four interceptions) comes out of a pro-style offense that requires him to make adjustments at the line of scrimmage and complete NFL throws. Those traits make Bridgewater an ideal fit in new Houston Texans head coach Bill O'Brien's offense, making him the favorite to be the No. 1 overall pick of the 2014 draft.

5. WR Sammy Watkins, Clemson (6-1, 200, 4.49)

6. OLB Anthony Barr, UCLA (6-4, 238, 4.73)

7. OLB Khalil Mack, Buffalo (6-3, 248, 4.66)

8. QB Blake Bortles, Central Florida* (6-3, 230, 4.78): A prototypically-built pocket passer with good awareness, athleticism and arm talent, Bortles looks the part of an NFL starting quarterback. He is methodical in his set-up and delivery of the ball and is a bit inconsistent with his accuracy, but the mettle he showed in guiding UCF to several comeback victories in 2013 has scouts buzzing. Bortles isn't as polished as Bridgewater, but he may possess an even higher upside. A top 10 pick is likely and it isn't out of the question that he'll rank as the best quarterback for some, potentially including new Houston Texans head coach Bill O'Brien, whose Penn State team was beaten by UCF in 2013.

9. OLB C.J. Mosley, Alabama (6-2, 232, 4.56)

10. WR Marqise Lee, Southern Cal (6-0, 195, 4.51)

11. CB Darqueze Dennard, Michigan State (5-11, 197, 4.52)

12. TE Eric Ebron, North Carolina (6-4, 245, 4.67)

13. QB Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M (5-11, 210, 4.45): Manziel's vision, elusiveness and accuracy while on the move make him a mesmerizing prospect who will almost surely be drafted earlier than I rank him. While dynamic throughout his career - including in the Aggies' thrilling comeback over Duke in the Chick-fil-A Bowl -- red flags were raised with mediocre performances against LSU and Missouri to end the regular season. Bottled in the pocket by both, Manziel was unable to throw his receivers open and he struggled. The NFL rule books have never been more accommodating to dual-threat passers, but consistent accuracy from the pocket remains the most critical element to quarterback play at the next level.

14. WR Mike Evans, Texas A&M (6-5, 225, 4.58)

15. OT Cyrus Kouandjio, Alabama (6-5, 312, 5.12)

16. QB Derek Carr, Fresno State (6-3, 215, 4.78)

17. OT Taylor Lewan, Michigan (6-7, 310, 5.04)

18. TE Jace Amaro, Texas Tech (6-5, 260, 4.67)

19. DE Kony Ealy, Missouri (6-5, 275, 4.77)

20. DL Stephon Tuitt, Notre Dame (6-5, 303, 4.89)

21. OLB Ryan Shazier, Ohio State (6-2, 226, 4.58)

22. WR Brandin Cooks, Oregon State (5-10, 186, 4.52)

23. DE Trent Murphy, Stanford (6-6, 261, 4.85)

24. DT Ra'Shede Hageman, Minnesota (6-6, 311, 4.95)

25. CB Jason Verrett, TCU (5-10, 182, 4.49)

26. CB Justin Gilbert, Oklahoma State (6-0, 200, 4.52)

27. OG Cyril Richardson, Baylor (6-5, 335, 5.27)

28. FS Calvin Pryor, Louisville (6-2, 208, 4.55)

29. OC Travis Swanson, Arkansas (6-4, 318, 5.26)

30. OG David Yankey, Stanford (6-5, 314, 5.08)

31. DE Scott Crichton, Oregon State (6-3, 265, 4.73)

32. OL Zach Martin, Notre Dame (6-4, 308, 5.15)


Just missed the cut:
DT Timmy Jernigan, Florida State*
RB Ka'Deem Carey, Arizona*
DT William Sutton, Arizona State
CB Marcus Roberson, Florida*
CB Bradley Roby, Ohio State*
WR Jordan Matthews, Vanderbilt
TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins, Washington*
FS HaSean Clinton-Dix, Alabama*
ILB Yawin Smallwood, Connecticut*
WR Allen Robinson, Penn State*
OG Xavier Su'a-Filo, UCLA*
DE/OLB Trevor Reilly, Utah
WR Kelvin Benjamin, Florida State*
DT Aaron Donald, Pittsburgh
OLB Kyle Van Noy, BYU

mussop 01-16-2014 09:20 PM

Re: Rob Rang 2014 draft
 
Rang is a wang. Never liked him much.

thunderkyss 01-16-2014 10:04 PM

Re: Rob Rang 2014 draft
 
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Originally Posted by Playoffs (Post 2286516)
Rob Rang ‏@RobRang

I don't understand how he can write that about TB, then list him as the 4th best player in this draft. Not even the Julius Peppers himself is a better player/prospect than a QB with "ProBowl" accuracy coming from a pro-style offense.

TexansFTW 01-17-2014 07:55 AM

Re: Rob Rang 2014 draft
 
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Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 2286536)
I don't understand how he can write that about TB, then list him as the 4th best player in this draft. Not even the Julius Peppers himself is a better player/prospect than a QB with "ProBowl" accuracy coming from a pro-style offense.

I've noticed there are about 3-5 scouts/scouting websites that make a stand and evaluate players, then there is everyone else that just copies those 3-5 and modifies the work they've done to make it "theirs".

He probably thinks TB should be #1 overall, but sees the better scouts not doing so, so he follows suit. He's a follower, not a leader.

Mike Mayock all day! NFL Network better not have that guy doing anything but draft prepping.

Texian 01-17-2014 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TexansFTW (Post 2286634)
I've noticed there are about 3-5 scouts/scouting websites that make a stand and evaluate players, then there is everyone else that just copies those 3-5 and modifies the work they've done to make it "theirs".

He probably thinks TB should be #1 overall, but sees the better scouts not doing so, so he follows suit. He's a follower, not a leader.

Mike Mayock all day! NFL Network better not have that guy doing anything but draft prepping.

Rob Rang is one of the older more reliable evaluators and his website nfldraftscout.com is one of the absolute best. It is a leader in the field not a follower. I do miss Chad Reuter since he left for nfl,com and Dane Brugler is really a novice learning the trade much like McShay. I take his write ups with a grain of salt. I agree with you about Mayock, son of a football coach and he played at every level. You just can't beat that kind of knowledge and experience.

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Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 2286536)
I don't understand how he can write that about TB, then list him as the 4th best player in this draft. Not even the Julius Peppers himself is a better player/prospect than a QB with "ProBowl" accuracy coming from a pro-style offense.

Maybe because he doesn't have a BIAS and is OBJECTIVE in his analysis. That's how he makes his living, he doesn't fall in love with players.

thunderkyss 01-17-2014 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Texian (Post 2286640)

Maybe because he doesn't have a BIAS and is OBJECTIVE in his analysis. That's how he makes his living, he doesn't fall in love with players.

Bias & falling in love with players has nothing to do with it.

If he says Bridgewater played well in a pro system, making adjustments at the line, his production was not a result of gimmicky offense, or YAC, & he has ProBowl-caliber accuracy, how do you rate that behind a talented player who he says had an off year?

Texian 01-17-2014 09:21 AM

Re: Rob Rang 2014 draft
 
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Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 2286649)
Bias & falling in love with players has nothing to do with it.

It has everything to do with it and the primary reasons for being correct in an assessment instead of being wrong. You're just upset because Rang did not say, what you wanted to hear.

Mr teX 01-17-2014 10:00 AM

Re: Rob Rang 2014 draft
 
Manziel falling to #25 is probably the best thing for him b/c it's gonna give him the best chance to succeed as he'll likely be sitting his 1st year....& though he's probably mentally ready, it's likely the best thing for TB as well.

matts290 01-17-2014 10:16 AM

Re: Rob Rang 2014 draft
 
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Originally Posted by Mr teX (Post 2286708)
Manziel falling to #25 is probably the best thing for him b/c it's gonna give him the best chance to succeed as he'll likely be sitting his 1st year....& though he's probably mentally ready, it's likely the best thing for TB as well.

The OP is 4 weeks old, I think we see Manziel trending up from here on out on everyones boards, that Duke game really made an impression on a lot of people.

mussop 01-17-2014 12:43 PM

Re: Rob Rang 2014 draft
 
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Originally Posted by Texian (Post 2286640)
Rob Rang is one of the older more reliable evaluators and his website nfldraftscout.com is one of the absolute best. It is a leader in the field not a follower.

This explains a lot. :brando:

thunderkyss 01-17-2014 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Texian (Post 2286686)
It has everything to do with it and the primary reasons for being correct in an assessment instead of being wrong. You're just upset because Rang did not say, what you wanted to hear.

I definitely don't want to hear that Bridgewater is the best talent in this class. I don't want to hear that he's a top 5 or even top 10 talent in this class. I'm not in love with Teddy Bridgewater.

I'm not in love with Jadaveon Clowney.

I do not understand how
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1. DE Jadeveon Clowney, South Carolina (6-6, 268, 4.65)*: There is no denying that Clowney failed to live up to expectations statistically-speaking. He also inflamed concerns about his maturity with two speeding tickets before the Gamecocks' bowl game. Clowney's red flags are real, but so is his talent. Imposing, explosive and more technically sound than many realize, Clowney competes only with former No. 2 overall pick Julius Peppers (2002) as the most gifted defensive end prospect I have ever seen.
trumps
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4. QB Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville (6-3, 220, 4.65)*: In an era in which college quarterbacks' numbers are often inflated by short passes and relatively simplistic schemes, Bridgewater's sparkling production is due to Pro Bowl-caliber accuracy. His success (71 percent completion rate with 31 touchdowns against just four interceptions) comes out of a pro-style offense that requires him to make adjustments at the line of scrimmage and complete NFL throws. Those traits make Bridgewater an ideal fit in new Houston Texans head coach Bill O'Brien's offense, making him the favorite to be the No. 1 overall pick of the 2014 draft.
Let's say you have an average team, across the board, average & you can add one more player. Are you going to take a pro-bowl QB, or a pro-bowl DE? Are you going to take an All-Pro QB, or an All-Pro DE?

Most of his description of Clowney is negative. Most of his description of Bridgewater is positive... but TB is not even the runner up to Clowney.

disaacks3 01-17-2014 01:48 PM

Re: Rob Rang 2014 draft
 
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Originally Posted by Texian (Post 2286640)
Rob Rang is one of the older more reliable evaluators and his website nfldraftscout.com is one of the absolute best. It is a leader in the field not a follower. I do miss Chad Reuter since he left for nfl,com and Dane Brugler is really a novice learning the trade much like McShay. I take his write ups with a grain of salt. I agree with you about Mayock, son of a football coach and he played at every level. You just can't beat that kind of knowledge and experience.



Maybe because he doesn't have a BIAS and is OBJECTIVE in his analysis. That's how he makes his living, he doesn't fall in love with players.

Honest question - He's a reliable evaluator of what exactly? Where folks are going to get drafted?

Examples: Carr falls from #4 to #16. Manziel jumps from #25 to #13.

If he's a judge of actual "talent", then why the huge moves in 4 weeks? Their abilities didn't radically change.

Dutchrudder 01-17-2014 01:58 PM

Re: Rob Rang 2014 draft
 
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Originally Posted by disaacks3 (Post 2286794)
Honest question - He's a reliable evaluator of what exactly? Where folks are going to get drafted?

Examples: Carr falls from #4 to #16. Manziel jumps from #25 to #13.

If he's a judge of actual "talent", then why the huge moves in 4 weeks? Their abilities didn't radically change.

Cause if you keep your guys in the same place until the combine, nobody will read your columns. It's a business, and to stay in business, people need something new to read.

Texian 01-17-2014 03:40 PM

Re: Rob Rang 2014 draft
 
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Originally Posted by disaacks3 (Post 2286794)
Honest question - He's a reliable evaluator of what exactly? Where folks are going to get drafted?

Examples: Carr falls from #4 to #16. Manziel jumps from #25 to #13.

If he's a judge of actual "talent", then why the huge moves in 4 weeks? Their abilities didn't radically change.

Rang and nfldraftscout.com does a pre season rankings and then after the season, bowl games and underclassman deadline after they know all players participating in the draft they reconfigure their rankings. Personally I think they do a good job of ranking players by position. Mock drafts are kind of a crap shoot but the public demands it. Mayock hates mocks but does one right before the draft.

TexansFTW 01-17-2014 04:22 PM

Re: Rob Rang 2014 draft
 
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Originally Posted by Texian (Post 2286884)
Rang and nfldraftscout.com does a pre season rankings and then after the season, bowl games and underclassman deadline after they know all players participating in the draft they reconfigure their rankings. Personally I think they do a good job of ranking players by position. Mock drafts are kind of a crap shoot but the public demands it. Mayock hates mocks but does one right before the draft.

That Michael Irvin ruined last year, lol.

Playoffs 01-17-2014 05:35 PM

Re: Rob Rang 2014 draft
 
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Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 2286536)
I don't understand how he can write that about TB, then list him as the 4th best player in this draft. Not even the Julius Peppers himself is a better player/prospect than a QB with "ProBowl" accuracy coming from a pro-style offense.

Every QB in the NFL runs a pro-style offense. In 2011 Alex Smith was #2 in Accuracy Percentage.* In 2012, Pro Bowler Matt Schaub was 8th in Accuracy Percentage. Pro Bowlers Philip Rivers and Matt Ryan were #1 & #2 in 2013... You wouldn't trade a Geno Smith or a Von Miller for one of those guys, would you? I wouldn't.

Julius Peppers projects into the top of his position group. Bridgewater doesn't project into the top 10 of his position group.

*PFF's "Accuracy Percentage" accounts for dropped passes, throw aways, spiked balls, batted passes, and passes where the quarterback was hit while they threw the ball - factors that hurt the quarterback's completion percentage but don't help show how accurate they are.

So getting to Clowney, the dude is a freak and flashed that last year. He may freak or he may bust in the NFL -- but if he freaks, his upside is big.

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Originally Posted by disaacks3 (Post 2286794)
Examples: Carr falls from #4 to #16. Manziel jumps from #25 to #13.

If he's a judge of actual "talent", then why the huge moves in 4 weeks? Their abilities didn't radically change.

12 spots is not that big of a move in the bigger picture. Like Earl Thomas to Jimmy Graham. Or Ray Rice to Duane Brown. Or Luke Kuechly to TY Hilton.

Lucky 01-18-2014 12:14 AM

Re: Rob Rang 2014 draft
 
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Originally Posted by disaacks3 (Post 2286794)
If he's a judge of actual "talent", then why the huge moves in 4 weeks? Their abilities didn't radically change.

All of the internet draft gurus do that (Mayock included). The more informed ones are listening to scouts and agents. None of these guys base their rankings strictly off their own film evaluation.

Marshall 01-18-2014 02:39 AM

Re: Rob Rang 2014 draft
 
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Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 2286786)
I definitely don't want to hear that Bridgewater is the best talent in this class. I don't want to hear that he's a top 5 or even top 10 talent in this class. I'm not in love with Teddy Bridgewater.

I'm not in love with Jadaveon Clowney.

I do not understand howtrumpsLet's say you have an average team, across the board, average & you can add one more player. Are you going to take a pro-bowl QB, or a pro-bowl DE? Are you going to take an All-Pro QB, or an All-Pro DE?

Most of his description of Clowney is negative. Most of his description of Bridgewater is positive... but TB is not even the runner up to Clowney.

It's the trade off between a player playing at the peak of his talent and one who is under performing, but with loads of untapped potential. Both are risks at the next level, but one has the potential to improve more than the other.


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