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AndyWin 12-02-2013 11:54 PM

Top 10 in both Total Offense and Total Defense = last place???
 
This has to be some kind of record, right?

4th overall in Defense
10th overall in Offense

2-10 record, last place in the NFL... wtf??? When's the last time a team ranked in the top 10 in both categories and weren't even in playoff CONTENTION around this time of the season?

Dutchrudder 12-02-2013 11:55 PM

Re: Top 10 in both Total Offense and Total Defense = last place???
 
You are definitely the first person to bring this up.

AndyWin 12-02-2013 11:59 PM

Re: Top 10 in both Total Offense and Total Defense = last place???
 
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Originally Posted by Dutchrudder (Post 2260955)
You are definitely the first person to bring this up.

:whip:

DocBar 12-03-2013 12:01 AM

Re: Top 10 in both Total Offense and Total Defense = last place???
 
That just highlights the problems with ranking teams by yardage per game. W-L's and PPG should hold the highest reasons for ranking a team.

infantrycak 12-03-2013 12:31 AM

Re: Top 10 in both Total Offense and Total Defense = last place???
 
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Originally Posted by DocBar (Post 2260959)
That just highlights the problems with ranking teams by yardage per game. W-L's and PPG should hold the highest reasons for ranking a team.

No reason to not look at both but definitely points are more important especially where the discrepancy is so large, as in:

2013 Texans on points - offense 29th, defense 27th

Now that looks like 2-10.

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Originally Posted by AndyWin (Post 2260957)
:whip:

The button says New Thread not Retread Thoughts.

TheMatrix31 12-03-2013 01:49 AM

Re: Top 10 in both Total Offense and Total Defense = last place???
 
Didn't the Chargers have the same thing happen to them that one year they had all those special teams failures?

Exascor 12-03-2013 06:29 AM

Re: Top 10 in both Total Offense and Total Defense = last place???
 
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Originally Posted by TheMatrix31 (Post 2260973)
Didn't the Chargers have the same thing happen to them that one year they had all those special teams failures?

They were #1 in offense and defense by yardage in 2010 and missed the playoffs at 9-7. They weren't first in line for the first pick in the draft though.

HJam72 12-03-2013 07:13 AM

Re: Top 10 in both Total Offense and Total Defense = last place???
 
I vote we stop counting points and just go by yardage. Texans in the Superbowl, baby! :spin::spin::spin:

TejasTom 12-03-2013 07:18 AM

Re: Top 10 in both Total Offense and Total Defense = last place???
 
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Originally Posted by AndyWin (Post 2260954)
This has to be some kind of record, right?

4th overall in Defense
10th overall in Offense

...

This has more to do with starting field position than anything else.

Our defense can't give up anymore yards because the opposing team takes a short field to the end zone.

The offense has gets lots of yards because they start behind the 20 so often.

HJam72 12-03-2013 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by TejasTom (Post 2260990)
This has more to do with starting field position than anything else.

Our defense can't give up anymore yards because the opposing team takes a short field to the end zone.

The offense has gets lots of yards because they start behind the 20 so often.

It might be an issue, but they really do suck in the red-zone. Both O & D.

Thorn 12-03-2013 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by HJam72 (Post 2260988)
I vote we stop counting points and just go by yardage. Texans in the Superbowl, baby! :spin::spin::spin:

:lol:

Yeah, I mentioned this crap a week or so ago. Judging offenses and defenses by solely yardage is silly. Like our wonderful secondary giving up so little yardage just makes me LOL. HOW MANY POINTS DO THEY GIVE UP??????

HJam72 12-03-2013 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Thorn (Post 2260993)
:lol:

Yeah, I mentioned this crap a week or so ago. Judging offenses and defenses by solely yardage is silly. Like our wonderful secondary giving up so little yardage just makes me LOL. HOW MANY POINTS DO THEY GIVE UP??????

Only one point per yard, sir. Very respectable stud parading.

BigBull17 12-03-2013 08:42 AM

Re: Top 10 in both Total Offense and Total Defense = last place???
 
When you start around the 10-15 yard line every drive due to ****ty special teams, drive 70 yards, and miss a field goal you distort the numbers. Improving field position and getting tds instead of fgs(or missed field goals) is a big key.

steelbtexan 12-03-2013 08:50 AM

Re: Top 10 in both Total Offense and Total Defense = last place???
 
This is what happens when you get to rack up yardage in blowouts and teams are ahead running out the clock. Basically spot 1 TD a game on tunovers and have the worsrt ST's ever.

This proves what I've been telling TK for yrs, stats are for losers.

IlliniJen 12-03-2013 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by steelbtexan (Post 2261029)
this proves what i've been telling tk for yrs, stats without context are for losers.

fify.

Honoring Earl 34 12-03-2013 09:22 AM

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The Texans are great on O&D between the 20's . It's inside the 20's that they blow big time . :pinned:

badboy 12-03-2013 09:28 AM

Re: Top 10 in both Total Offense and Total Defense = last place???
 
I am just lucky to have an NFL team to watch. I am just lucky to have an NFL team to watch. I am...

Marshall 12-03-2013 09:29 AM

Re: Top 10 in both Total Offense and Total Defense = last place???
 
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Originally Posted by AndyWin (Post 2260954)
This has to be some kind of record, right?

4th overall in Defense
10th overall in Offense

2-10 record, last place in the NFL... wtf??? When's the last time a team ranked in the top 10 in both categories and weren't even in playoff CONTENTION around this time of the season?

Yes! We are the best worst team in NFL History!

Double Barrel 12-03-2013 10:22 AM

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4th overall in Defense
10th overall in Offense
Like The Hoodie said, "stats are for losers, the scoreboard is for winners".

So, yeah, whatever helps you cope, Texans fans.

But to me, stats are completely worthless when your team is losing 10 in a row and shows very little life for an entire season.

The only stat that has given me any joy this season is Andre Johnson hitting 900 catches, one of only 15 players to do it and the second fastest to achieve it. It means something to him, so for that, I care. Congrats, Andre. You are the lone bright spot in a very dismal season.

Playoffs 12-03-2013 10:38 AM

Re: Top 10 in both Total Offense and Total Defense = last place???
 
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Originally Posted by AndyWin (Post 2260954)
4th overall in Defense
10th overall in Offense

Good for fantasy football, not always good for reality football.


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