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Runner 11-24-2013 11:20 PM

What is the rebuilding path?
 
I am going to assume the Texans need to rebuild. Further, I am going to assume they make some changes in the coaching and maybe the front office before next season. Given that, how should the Texans rebuild this time?

Option 1:

Do it "the right way". Get about 6 wins next year, go 8-8 for a couple of non-losing seasons, reach the winning goal of 9-7, and then in year five win 11 or 12 games and make the play-offs.


Option 2:

Take the approach to try and turn it around next year and make some noise in the play-offs the year after that. This approach risks...well, I'm not sure it risks anything. I was never clear on that.


I'll go on the record for option 2. I'd like to see them improve quickly.

:stirpot:

CretorFrigg 11-24-2013 11:22 PM

Re: What is the rebuilding path?
 
McNair bought into Kubiak's BS that it takes 5+ years to rebuild, which is clearly false. Look at the Chiefs.

Norg 11-24-2013 11:26 PM

Re: What is the rebuilding path?
 
we need to rebuild in 2014 and get rdy for the SB in 2015 n Houston that should be our goal to make the SB that year and rebuilding next year will help us


We need to do a clean reset Fire everybody from the GM and front office down to the towel boy

Bring in a new regime in here

obvs they will overall the entire roster ...Bassically trimming the fat and get the CAP in the best situation its ever been in so in 2015 we can splurge in Free agents

and obvs our goal in 2014 will be to make the playoffs just to get EXP

houstonspartan 11-24-2013 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CretorFrigg (Post 2256812)
McNair bought into Kubiak's BS that it takes 5+ years to rebuild, which is clearly false. Look at the Chief.

Yep. A lot of Texans fans bought into it as well. It's almost like living in a time warp: other teams are doing total re-builds in 3-4 years, and we trudge along in year 8 - still waiting.

The other problem is the Steelers. McNair really wants a franchise that stable. But, the Steelers having 3 coaches in 40 years is extremely rare and they have done it by hiring solid people.


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Norg 11-24-2013 11:33 PM

Re: What is the rebuilding path?
 
Yeah bob wants so bad for us to model after the steelers and the packers to be consistent year n and year out but there is one problem the steelers don't go

2-14 or 6-10


and there lowest lately has been like 7-9 or 8-8

dream_team 11-24-2013 11:35 PM

Re: What is the rebuilding path?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CretorFrigg (Post 2256812)
McNair bought into Kubiak's BS that it takes 5+ years to rebuild, which is clearly false. Look at the Chief.

I think the Chiefs are pretenders. They are a lot better than last year, but are still missing some pieces to be taken seriously as an annual contender.

dream_team 11-24-2013 11:36 PM

Re: What is the rebuilding path?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Norg (Post 2256820)
Yeah bob wants so bad for us to model after the steelers and the packers to be consistent year n and year out but there is one problem the steelers don't go

2-14 or 6-10


and there lowest lately has been like 7-9 or 8-8

At least he has a good vision.

houstonspartan 11-24-2013 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norg (Post 2256820)
Yeah bob wants so bad for us to model after the steelers and the packers to be consistent year n and year out but there is one problem the steelers don't go

2-14 or 6-10


and there lowest lately has been like 7-9 or 8-8

Correct. Whenever the Steelers slip, Mike Tomlin sticks his foot up players butts, threatening jobs and reminding them about "what it means to be a Steeler."

That franchise has high standards and everyone there knows it.


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acal21 11-24-2013 11:43 PM

Re: What is the rebuilding path?
 
There is no reason to rebuild. Fire coach Kubiak, get healthy, and compete for a super bowl

I was one to believe in Kubiak... it does take time to rebuild but now he is showing me that he can't get it done as a coach

Playoffs 11-24-2013 11:44 PM

Re: What is the rebuilding path?
 
It's a QB league.

We need one.

srrono 11-24-2013 11:46 PM

Re: What is the rebuilding path?
 
Fire all coaching staff

JJ going into last year of deal need to lock him in a new contract
J.J. Watt 2014/15 3,575,540

cut or restructured
Johnathan Joseph 2014/15 11,250,000 2015/16 12,250,000
Owen Daniels 2014/15 6,250,000

Cut
Danieal Manning 2014/15 6,000,000
Matt Schaub 2014/15 14,500,000 2015/16 17,000,000
2016/17 19,000,000
Derek Newton 2014/15 660,064

FA
Antonio Smith is FA let go unless resign on the cheap
Wade Smith FA let go
Joe Mays FA ?
Greg Jones FA let go
Ben Tate FA let go
Earl Mitchell FA resign after test of market
Darryl Sharpton FA let go
Garrett Graham FA resign
Ryan Harris FA
Lestar Jean RFA
Bryan Braman RFA
Terrell McClain RFA
Elbert Mack UFA
Ricky Sapp ERFA
Deji Karim FA
Jeff Tarpinian FA
Josh Victorian ERFA

MEGA SWATT 11-24-2013 11:47 PM

Re: What is the rebuilding path?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dream_team (Post 2256822)
I think the Chiefs are pretenders. They are a lot better than last year, but are still missing some pieces to be taken seriously as an annual contender.

I keep hearing that, but they have Andy Reid. They're definitely what their record says they are.

I want the Texans to get back to being relevant and take the next step towards beating the top teams in the league rather than another decade of crap.

steelbtexan 11-24-2013 11:52 PM

Re: What is the rebuilding path?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Runner (Post 2256809)
I am going to assume the Texans need to rebuild. Further, I am going to assume they make some changes in the coaching and maybe the front office before next season. Given that, how should the Texans rebuild this time?

Option 1:

Do it "the right way". Get about 6 wins next year, go 8-8 for a couple of non-losing seasons, reach the winning goal of 9-7, and then in year five win 11 or 12 games and make the play-offs.


Option 2:

Take the approach to try and turn it around next year and make some noise in the play-offs the year after that. This approach risks...well, I'm not sure it risks anything. I was never clear on that.


I'll go on the record for option 2. I'd like to see them improve quickly.

:stirpot:

Depends on what you think of Keenum.

I would personaly clean house and do what previous regimes haven't done. Build the foundation OL/DL?ILB in this draft and if Keenum isn't the guy draft a QB in 2015.

BTW, This is an above avg draft at OL/DT/OLB.

Scooter 11-24-2013 11:55 PM

Re: What is the rebuilding path?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Runner (Post 2256809)
I am going to assume the Texans need to rebuild. Further, I am going to assume they make some changes in the coaching and maybe the front office before next season. Given that, how should the Texans rebuild this time?

Option 1:

Do it "the right way". Get about 6 wins next year, go 8-8 for a couple of non-losing seasons, reach the winning goal of 9-7, and then in year five win 11 or 12 games and make the play-offs.


Option 2:

Take the approach to try and turn it around next year and make some noise in the play-offs the year after that. This approach risks...well, I'm not sure it risks anything. I was never clear on that.


I'll go on the record for option 2. I'd like to see them improve quickly.

:stirpot:

this is extremely disingenuous. we werent any other franchise, we were an expansion team. our best players were retiring jacksonville and jets castoffs and andre johnson. starting from square one, yeah it takes a few years. in 4 seasons we replaced all but 1 player. a new coaching staff wont have to go through that because of the slow motion process you and some others are griping about. andre, duane brown, brandon brooks, deandre hopkins, arian foster, tightends, jj watt, mercilus, cushing, kareem, joseph, manning, and swearinger. legit starters that our next coach will walk into, all but 2 being home grown. a new coach being able to use that talent and provide inspiration will be the reason behind any quick turnaround, not some magical "win now" approach.

Norg 11-25-2013 12:07 AM

Re: What is the rebuilding path?
 
look at the teams who have won SB's the last few years for one only like a handful of QB these past few years have been winning SB's..... and the rest have just been watchin or getting beat in the SB


that's why I was so shocked when flacco won one because that's a new nam not named Brady manning big ben Rodgers and brees and all of those teams are obvs stable

so the bottom line is u gotta get a QB and that QB has to be A superstar ..then u build around him

Steelers Drafted big ben and have been stable

Pats drafted Brady Colts drafted Manning GB and Saints etc etc


its a roll of the dice IMO

Norg 11-25-2013 12:12 AM

Re: What is the rebuilding path?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scooter (Post 2256838)
this is extremely disingenuous. we werent any other franchise, we were an expansion team. our best players were retiring jacksonville and jets castoffs and andre johnson. starting from square one, yeah it takes a few years. in 4 seasons we replaced all but 1 player. a new coaching staff wont have to go through that because of the slow motion process you and some others are griping about. andre, duane brown, brandon brooks, deandre hopkins, arian foster, tightends, jj watt, mercilus, cushing, kareem, joseph, manning, and swearinger. legit starters that our next coach will walk into, all but 2 being home grown. a new coach being able to use that talent and provide inspiration will be the reason behind any quick turnaround, not some magical "win now" approach.

nahh Rick smith and killed this team we have some good players yeah all teams do but we also have aging stars who u think are good but really aren't our core has failed Us and we need a new core

Wade smith,Chirs myers,RG,RT Schaub,yates,keenum, Foster ,FB,Andre ,Kevinwalter, Jocboy jones, have all failed

ST FAILED

don't even get me started on the DEF there is a lonnnngggg list

that's like 88% of the team that failed we need to rebuild

steelbtexan 11-25-2013 12:19 AM

Re: What is the rebuilding path?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Playoffs (Post 2256828)
It's a QB league.

We need one.

Agreed,

Are you willin to wait until 2015 to get a great QB? Or are you wanting to reach an get the next Sam Bradford?

Norg 11-25-2013 12:23 AM

Re: What is the rebuilding path?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by steelbtexan (Post 2256849)
Agreed,

Are you willin to wait until 2015 to get a great QB? Or are you wanting to reach an get the next Sam Bradford?


I willing to wait no doubt lets build the Tenches intill we find our guy I say if hes not there next year

look every new regime there first year the get a PASS to do whatever

steelbtexan 11-25-2013 12:23 AM

Re: What is the rebuilding path?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scooter (Post 2256838)
this is extremely disingenuous. we werent any other franchise, we were an expansion team. our best players were retiring jacksonville and jets castoffs and andre johnson. starting from square one, yeah it takes a few years. in 4 seasons we replaced all but 1 player. a new coaching staff wont have to go through that because of the slow motion process you and some others are griping about. andre, duane brown, brandon brooks, deandre hopkins, arian foster, tightends, jj watt, mercilus, cushing, kareem, joseph, manning, and swearinger. legit starters that our next coach will walk into, all but 2 being home grown. a new coach being able to use that talent and provide inspiration will be the reason behind any quick turnaround, not some magical "win now" approach.

2-9

After 8 yrs?

steelbtexan 11-25-2013 12:26 AM

Re: What is the rebuilding path?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Norg (Post 2256853)
I willing to wait no doubt lets build the Tenches intill we find our guy I say if hes not there next year

look every new regime there first year the get a PASS to do whatever

I think I agree with you?

But I did drink at the game today?


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