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TexansSeminole 11-19-2013 12:12 PM

TexansTalk Top 10: 2014 Draft
 
I figure people can post their top 10 draft prospects and we can get a consensus, as well as see people rise and drop over the course of the process.

My top 10 right now:

1. Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M
2. Anthony Barr, OLB, UCLA
3. Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville
4. Louis Nix, NT, Notre Dame
5. Jadeveon Clowney, DE/OLB, South Carolina
6. Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon
7. Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan
8. Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson
9. Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida State
10. Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M

It may come as a surprise that I have Barr rated more highly than Clowney, but I really have been turned off by the way Clowney has approached this season. He came in out of shape, which was clear in the 1st game of the season. He gets frustrated with the way teams double him, or run away from him. He's verbally complained about it, and he takes plays off because of it. This is the same kind of thing that happened to Mario Williams when he was at NC State. He got doubled constantly and people almost always ran away from him. Mario didn't ever complain about it and continued to play hard. There was a knock on him about taking plays off in college, but what I saw when he was at NC State was a guy playing hard all the time. Clowney has come off as a guy that isn't committed to playing hard.

I also have two WRs in the top 10, which I didn't expect when I started making my top 10, but that's how it worked out.

Post your current top 10.

Texian 11-19-2013 12:49 PM

Re: TexansTalk Top 10: 2014 Draft
 
1. Johnny Manziel,QB Texas A&M
2. Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M
3. Jadevon Clowney, DE/OLB, South Carolina
4. Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville
5. Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama
6. Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon
7. Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson
8. Vic Beasley, OLB, Clemson
9. Trent Murphy, OLB, Stanford
10. Cameron Erving, OT, Florida State


Personally at this point I am not sold on Bridgewater and Mariota are Top 10. However bad teams are forced in to taking a QB regardless if it could be a bad decision. Right now I see Geno Smith as a better QB coming out of college than I do Bridgewater. Mariota reminds me of Seneca Wallace. IMHO, today, I would prefer Tajh Boyd or AJ McCarron over Bridgewater and Mariota.

Barr is missing, I have watched 3 high profile games, Barr loses leverage and has difficulty turning the corner. He was recently a RB converted to OLB as result he looks weak on the defense side of the ball. Barr is easily blocked and can't shed blocks.

I watched a Nix game and he was non factor, they say is injured and needs surgery, if that is the case he's off the Rd 1 board. Definitely out of the top 10.

WolverineFan 11-19-2013 01:00 PM

Re: TexansTalk Top 10: 2014 Draft
 
On talent alone.....

1. Jadeveon Clowney - DE, South Carolina
- I'm not a big fan of Clowney, but he's obviously the most physically gifted player in the draft. Whether he has the drive or work ethic to turn that into next level success is unknown.

2. C.J. Mosley - ILB, Alabama
- Most well rounded player in the draft. Has all the physical tools in every area and a great mental understanding of the game. He's better than DeMeco, IMO.

3. Anthony Barr - OLB, UCLA
- Unreal physical gifts. Has the prototypical skill set you look for in a 3-4 OLB.

4. Mike Evans - WR, Texas A&M
- The best offensive player in college football, IMO. Big bodied WR that reminds me a bit of Jimmy Graham. Not a TE though.

5. Jake Matthews - OT, Texas A&M
- The best balance of talent and technical proficiency in this O-Line class.

6. Teddy Bridgewater - QB, Louisville
- Easily the most technically developed QB in this class out of the top group. Better physical tools than other developed guys in the 2nd group like Murray and McCarron.

7. Khalil Mack - OLB, Buffalo
- Great instincts combined with great physical ability. Reminds me of Von Miller.

8. Sammy Watkins - WR, Clemson
- Ridiculous physical skills. Still very raw as a WR, IMO.

9. Louis Nix - DT, Notre Dame
- Very gifted inside player that can play against the run and also rush the passer.

10. Cyrus Kouandijo - OT, Alabama
- Most physically talented O-Lineman in the draft, but is still somewhat raw technically.

bhsman 11-19-2013 04:14 PM

Re: TexansTalk Top 10: 2014 Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TexansSeminole (Post 2253691)
He came in out of shape, which was clear in the 1st game of the season.

Not to dismiss everything you said, but he came into that game recovering from a stomach virus. He's also been dealing with some bone spurs over the course of the season.

And for all your talk of Mario's hard work at NC State, everyone seems to complain that he didn't have a competitor's spirit. Maybe the same thing happens with Clowney who, accused of taking plays off, becomes overly-enthusiastic when playing with Cush and Watt? :thisbig:

I'll post my top 10 later.

TexansSeminole 11-19-2013 06:09 PM

Re: TexansTalk Top 10: 2014 Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bhsman (Post 2253909)
Not to dismiss everything you said, but he came into that game recovering from a stomach virus. He's also been dealing with some bone spurs over the course of the season.

And for all your talk of Mario's hard work at NC State, everyone seems to complain that he didn't have a competitor's spirit. Maybe the same thing happens with Clowney who, accused of taking plays off, becomes overly-enthusiastic when playing with Cush and Watt? :thisbig:

I'll post my top 10 later.

I think that that argument is certainly valid, but did you watch that first game? They were subbing him in and out to give him time to catch his breath. It was sometime in the 3rd quarter that he just was completely spent. The guy looked like he was just done for the game. It wasn't an issue where he was throwing up, or was lightheaded. The issue was that he just couldn't catch his breath at all. On top of that, you've got people questioning his conditioning throughout the season. I love his talent, but there are some red flags with this guy that shouldn't be ignored.

I had the opportunity to watch a lot of college Mario Williams and he was a consistently dominant force in which conditioning was never an issue. People questioned if he was giving it his all every play because he would dominate so thoroughly for a spell, but it wasn't always consistent throughout the entirety of the game.

Clowney is not accused of taking plays off, but taking games off. There is a question of whether or not he really cares about that team all that much, or if he is just concerned with the pay day next year.

aussie_texan 11-19-2013 08:50 PM

Re: TexansTalk Top 10: 2014 Draft
 
1. Jake Matthews OT
2. Jadeveon Clowney DE
3. CJ Mosley ILB
4. Anthony Barr OLB
5. Teddy Bridgewater QB
6. Louis Nix NT
7. Trent Murphy DE
8. Mike Evans WR
9. Marcus Mariota QB
10. Kyle Van Noy OLB

steelbtexan 11-19-2013 09:24 PM

Re: TexansTalk Top 10: 2014 Draft
 
1. Matthews
2.Clowney
3. Bridgewater
4.Nix, as Texian pointed out he needs surgery , so take him out of the top 10 and put Mosely in at 10.
5. Watkins
6. Erving
7. Barr
8. Mack
9. Kouandjio
10. Lewan

Lots of OT's and pass rushers, Watkins is the best skilled position guy in this draft. Not high on the QB's.

steelbtexan 11-19-2013 09:31 PM

Re: TexansTalk Top 10: 2014 Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by steelbtexan (Post 2254095)
1. Matthews
2.Clowney
3. Bridgewater
4.Nix
5. Watkins
6. Erving
7. Barr
8. Mack
9. Kouandjio
10. Lewan

Lots of OT's and pass rushers, Watkins is the best skilled position guy in this draft. Not high on the QB's.

Hopefully a team like the Browns would be willing to trade up for Manziel/Marriota and the Texans can draft Mack and Scherrf in the 1st.

beerlover 11-20-2013 12:40 AM

Re: TexansTalk Top 10: 2014 Draft
 
1. Teddy Bridewater, QB
2. Jadeveon Clowney, DE
3. Johnny Manziel, QB
4. Jake Matthews, OT
5. Mike Evans, WR
6. Anthony Barr, DE
7. Taylor Lewan, OT
8. CJ Mosley, LB
9. Cameron Erving, OT
10. Sammy Watkins, WR

leebigeztx 11-20-2013 12:51 AM

Re: TexansTalk Top 10: 2014 Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by beerlover (Post 2254174)
1. Teddy Bridewater, QB
2. Jadeveon Clowney, DE
3. Johnny Manziel, QB
4. Jake Matthews, OT
5. Mike Evans, WR
6. Anthony Barr, DE
7. Taylor Lewan, OT
8. CJ Mosley, LB
9. Cameron Erving, OT
10. Sammy Watkins, WR


I like you're list,so let me ask the question. If evans is there at 5 which is where the texans are drafting, would you take him?

Insideop 11-20-2013 11:01 AM

Re: TexansTalk Top 10: 2014 Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by steelbtexan (Post 2254102)
Hopefully a team like the Browns would be willing to trade up for Manziel/Marriota and the Texans can draft Mack and Scherrf in the 1st.

Don't know if it will happen but that's not a bad idea! I really like Mack as an OLB and Scherrf could be a good RT. I just don't think the Browns would give up 2 first round picks to move up a little. Maybe a 1st and a 2nd.

TexansSeminole 11-20-2013 11:15 AM

Re: TexansTalk Top 10: 2014 Draft
 
I keep hearing about Mack, I really wish I had a chance to watch him.

WolverineFan 11-20-2013 12:34 PM

Re: TexansTalk Top 10: 2014 Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TexansSeminole (Post 2254316)
I keep hearing about Mack, I really wish I had a chance to watch him.

Buffalo played last night, but they play Bowling Green next Friday on ESPNU. Should be a good game. Winner of that game wins the East and faces Northern Illinois in the MAC Championship.

htownfan32 11-20-2013 12:42 PM

Re: TexansTalk Top 10: 2014 Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TexansSeminole (Post 2254316)
I keep hearing about Mack, I really wish I had a chance to watch him.

If you've got one of ESPN's supported cable providers you might be able to get re-runs on watchespn.com

alternatively...

http://draftbreakdown.com/players/khalil-mack/

They've got three games.

beerlover 11-20-2013 12:44 PM

Re: TexansTalk Top 10: 2014 Draft
 
Mack is very athletic, lighter version of Mercilus so he looks cat quick against lesser competition so teams will have to wait & grade him out @ the combine but I feel he is outside the top 10 talent, actually like Mosley more as consensus goes.

beerlover 11-20-2013 12:48 PM

Re: TexansTalk Top 10: 2014 Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by leebigeztx (Post 2254176)
I like you're list,so let me ask the question. If evans is there at 5 which is where the texans are drafting, would you take him?

If Texans miss out on those first Big Four, I would try & trade down.

If Andre is moved next offseason I wouldn't think twice about taking Evans.

Corrosion 11-20-2013 01:46 PM

Re: TexansTalk Top 10: 2014 Draft
 
1) Matthews
2) Clowney
3) Barr
4) Bridgewater
5) Mosley
6) Manziel
7) Mack
8) Irving
9) Evans
10) Lewan

eriadoc 11-20-2013 02:02 PM

Re: TexansTalk Top 10: 2014 Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by leebigeztx (Post 2254176)
I like you're list,so let me ask the question. If evans is there at 5 which is where the texans are drafting, would you take him?

What's the grade differential between Evans and Taylor Lewan? I go with BPA within a few grade points. If Lewan is graded a 91 and Evans is a 93, maybe I just take Lewan.

But hey, Evans wouldn't be a bad pick. We don't know for sure about Posey, and Martin is looking more and more like a ST guy that can catch 20 balls a year. Jean is probably a cut next year.

ToroTD 11-21-2013 10:50 PM

Re: TexansTalk Top 10: 2014 Draft
 
All of course depending on where we end up picking in each round ...

1st'ers
LB Anthony Barr
OT Jake Matthews
FS Ha Ha Clinton-Dix

2nd'ers
FS LaMarcus Joyner
LB Shayne Skov
OT Brandon Scherff

3rd'ers
QB A.J. McCarron
OT James Hurst

4+'ers
LB Telvin Smith
OG Anthony Steen

TexansSeminole 11-21-2013 11:08 PM

Re: TexansTalk Top 10: 2014 Draft
 
It looks like Matthews, Clowney, and Bridgewater are in everyone's top 6 so far. Safe to say that they will most likely all be top 5 picks based on our boards as of right now?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ToroTD (Post 2255076)
All of course depending on where we end up picking in each round ...

1st'ers
LB Anthony Barr
OT Jake Matthews
FS Ha Ha Clinton-Dix

2nd'ers
FS LaMarcus Joyner
LB Shayne Skov
OT Brandon Scherff

3rd'ers
QB A.J. McCarron
OT James Hurst

4+'ers
LB Telvin Smith
OG Anthony Steen

Let's try to keep this stuff in the threads where they belong. I'd like to keep this thread just to the top 10 so as to not have a huge thread debating the Texans 4th round selection. We've got plenty of those threads.


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