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Lord Bills 11-17-2013 08:21 PM

Lack of NO HUDDLE, RESTRICTIVE AUDILBE SYSTEM Causing Blitz Problems?
 
I cant help but think that Kubiak's fraudulent, restrictive audible system or lack thereof is contributing to this offense inability to adjust to the blitz. Even when schaub was playing, you blitz him and its all over.

You look at qbs who make you pay when you blitz them too much (rogers, maning, brady) they have the full freedom and confidence of their coach to make changes at the line of scrimmage.

Ive seen Keenum play at UofH, the man played with crappy offensive lines and everybody in the world knew he was going to throw the ball yet he always made plays. I find it hard to believe that he cant figure out how to beat a blitz in the nfl especially when they arent even disguising it. They are tipping their hand and letting us know they are going to blitz yet we cant come up with a screen pass to a running back or call a blitz breaking rb draw play.

IMO, its Kubiak's idiotic playcalling, restrictive audible system and outdated offensive philosophy.

eriadoc 11-17-2013 08:26 PM

Re: Lack of NO HUDDLE, RESTRICTIVE AUDILBE SYSTEM Causing Blitz Problems?
 
When Schaub is in there, a blitz means a ball thrown away or in the dirt, or a fetal position sack. When Keenum was in there, it meant something similar. In either case, the OL is confused as to who to pick up and often let multiple rushers through the line. The RBs miss blitz pick-ups just as much. The receivers don't adjust their routes, and even if they do, there still has to be a minimum time to even get the ball out for a hot route. And on top of that, teams have been using exotic blitzes where the QB doesn't know which guys are blitzing and which guys are dropping, so calling a hot route is not as easy as it is in most message board fans' heads.

It's a total team disaster.

thunderkyss 11-17-2013 08:28 PM

Re: Lack of NO HUDDLE, RESTRICTIVE AUDILBE SYSTEM Causing Blitz Problems?
 
I normally don't chime in, but it's getting stupid around here.

The "restrictive" play calling thing has been in place in this system for a long time. It won Super Bowls with Joe Montana, Steve Young, & John Elway. It made Jake Plummer look like a damn fine QB & it took Matt Schaub to two division championships, two pro Bowls & a pro bowl MVP.

It's not the same as other systems, but it works.

Not only that, but each play has it's own tweak that can be applied at any time to put the offense in a position to succeed. It's not the system's fault that Case can't count the number of defenders on either side of the ball & determine which side would be beneficial for the run play we have called up.

& on top of that, if you remember the fake spike turned fade to Andre... that's a signal they've got, something they've worked on, it's always in. They can do it at anytime. DeAndre has one as well, he talked about it after the Tennessee game.

So stop it. It's not the system. If the gimp can throw for 4000 yards in 4 of the last 5 seasons.... & our play calling is "uber-predictable" it's not the system.

amazing80 11-17-2013 08:38 PM

Re: Lack of NO HUDDLE, RESTRICTIVE AUDILBE SYSTEM Causing Blitz Problems?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 2252437)
I normally don't chime in, but it's getting stupid around here.

The "restrictive" play calling thing has been in place in this system for a long time. It won Super Bowls with Joe Montana, Steve Young, & John Elway. It made Jake Plummer look like a damn fine QB & it took Matt Schaub to two division championships, two pro Bowls & a pro bowl MVP.

It's not the same as other systems, but it works.

Not only that, but each play has it's own tweak that can be applied at any time to put the offense in a position to succeed. It's not the system's fault that Case can't count the number of defenders on either side of the ball & determine which side would be beneficial for the run play we have called up.

& on top of that, if you remember the fake spike turned fade to Andre... that's a signal they've got, something they've worked on, it's always in. They can do it at anytime. DeAndre has one as well, he talked about it after the Tennessee game.

So stop it. It's not the system. If the gimp can throw for 4000 yards in 4 of the last 5 seasons.... & our play calling is "uber-predictable" it's not the system.


youre so short minded and hard headed its ridiculous

our system has been a failure for a decade now...youre gonna hang your hat on 2 playoff appearances and a couple super bowls from a decade ago....:choke: have fun

Lord Bills 11-17-2013 08:40 PM

Re: Lack of NO HUDDLE, RESTRICTIVE AUDILBE SYSTEM Causing Blitz Problems?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 2252437)
I normally don't chime in, but it's getting stupid around here.

The "restrictive" play calling thing has been in place in this system for a long time. It won Super Bowls with Joe Montana, Steve Young, & John Elway. It made Jake Plummer look like a damn fine QB & it took Matt Schaub to two division championships, two pro Bowls & a pro bowl MVP.

It's not the same as other systems, but it works.

Joe Montana? Steve Young? John Elway?

huh? For you to say this philosophy and restrictive audible system is the same exact system that made Montana, Young, & Elway superbowl champs is a freaking STREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETCH.

Just stop it.

You can also stop pretending to be anything other than the Captain of Straddling the Fence in order to pretend not to be a called a Schaub Apologist. Two division titles? a Pro bowl mvp?

Are you serious?

We only won those division titles when peyton's neck imploded and colts went into rebuild mode. I not even gonna dignify the pro bowl mvp talk. That's when you know you are dealing with a fanboy.

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Not only that, but each play has it's own tweak that can be applied at any time to put the offense in a position to succeed. It's not the system's fault that Case can't count the number of defenders on either side of the ball & determine which side would be beneficial for the run play we have called up.

& on top of that, if you remember the fake spike turned fade to Andre... that's a signal they've got, something they've worked on, it's always in. They can do it at anytime. DeAndre has one as well, he talked about it after the Tennessee game.

So stop it. It's not the system. If the gimp can throw for 4000 yards in 4 of the last 5 seasons.... & our play calling is "uber-predictable" it's not the system.
fake spike? have you ever seen matt schaub do that play? that was on keenum. that was keenum adlibing. For you to give that credit to kubiak's offensive system is a freaking joke. Its quite obvious the system is broken even before keenum ever took a snap for the texans.

This offense has had trouble scoring since last year, and kubiak's retarded answer to the seattle game about schaub being able to audible should have washed the ignorance and stupidity away from people like you who still think kubiak is some offensive guru.

I was wrong.

amazing80 11-17-2013 08:42 PM

Re: Lack of NO HUDDLE, RESTRICTIVE AUDILBE SYSTEM Causing Blitz Problems?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Bills (Post 2252451)
Joe Montana? Steve Young? John Elway?

huh? For you to say this philosophy and restrictive audible system is the same exact system that made Montana, Young, & Elway superbowl champs is a freaking STREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETCH.

Just stop it.

You can also stop pretending to be anything other than the Captain of Straddling the Fence in order to pretend not to be a called a Schaub Apologist. Two division titles? a Pro bowl mvp?

Are you serious?

We only won those division titles when peyton's neck imploded and colts went into rebuild mode. I not even gonna dignify the pro bowl mvp talk. That's when you know you are dealing with a fanboy.



fake spike? have you ever seen matt schaub do that play? that was on keenum. that was keenum adlibing. For you to give that credit to kubiak's offensive system is a freaking joke. Its quite obvious the system is broken even before keenum ever took a snap for the texans.

This offense has had trouble scoring since last year, and kubiak's retarded answer to the seattle game about schaub being able to audible should have washed the ignorance and stupidity away from people like you who still think kubiak is some offensive guru.

I was wrong.

:texflag: well said

Tolar's Ghost 11-17-2013 08:43 PM

Re: Lack of NO HUDDLE, RESTRICTIVE AUDILBE SYSTEM Causing Blitz Problems?
 
Funny - and timely - that you mention the no-huddle:

The Steelers ran the no-huddle on their first three possessions of the game today. Yes, the Pittsburgh Steelers.

It caught the Lions offguard and staked the Steelers to a 14-0 lead. It was clear that it energized the team and seemed to be the springboard for their unexpected win. They ran it at other times, too.

Too bad the Texans don't do it.

A related note: I caught bits and pieces of the Texans game. From what I could tell, they weren't calling any designed rollouts or bootlegs for Keenum. Several times against the Chiefs, the instant he got the snap he was on the move. But I've seen little, if any, of that since. That was a staple of his repertoire at UH.

Scrambing is hardly the same as rolling out.

thunderkyss 11-17-2013 08:45 PM

Re: Lack of NO HUDDLE, RESTRICTIVE AUDILBE SYSTEM Causing Blitz Problems?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Bills (Post 2252451)

fake spike? have you ever seen matt schaub do that play? that was on keenum. that was keenum adlibing.

My point exactly.

Don't say it's restrictive & the QB lacks the aibility to audible, then turn around & tell me the QB was able to make a play because he called an audible.

SchaubApologist 11-17-2013 08:46 PM

Re: Lack of NO HUDDLE, RESTRICTIVE AUDILBE SYSTEM Causing Blitz Problems?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 2252437)
I normally don't chime in, but it's getting stupid around here.

The "restrictive" play calling thing has been in place in this system for a long time. It won Super Bowls with Joe Montana, Steve Young, & John Elway. It made Jake Plummer look like a damn fine QB & it took Matt Schaub to two division championships, two pro Bowls & a pro bowl MVP.

It's not the same as other systems, but it works.

Not only that, but each play has it's own tweak that can be applied at any time to put the offense in a position to succeed. It's not the system's fault that Case can't count the number of defenders on either side of the ball & determine which side would be beneficial for the run play we have called up.

& on top of that, if you remember the fake spike turned fade to Andre... that's a signal they've got, something they've worked on, it's always in. They can do it at anytime. DeAndre has one as well, he talked about it after the Tennessee game.

So stop it. It's not the system. If the gimp can throw for 4000 yards in 4 of the last 5 seasons.... & our play calling is "uber-predictable" it's not the system.

are you really bragging about a probowl mvp?

dude, come on. it's getting really hard reading your blather.

amazing80 11-17-2013 08:46 PM

Re: Lack of NO HUDDLE, RESTRICTIVE AUDILBE SYSTEM Causing Blitz Problems?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 2252456)
My point exactly.

Don't say it's restrictive & the QB lacks the aibility to audible, then turn around & tell me the QB was able to make a play because he called an audible.

:slapfight: you think gary knew about that? i bet he went off script, ala stafford diving over the oline for a td fake spike

Mr. Texan 11-17-2013 08:47 PM

Re: Lack of NO HUDDLE, RESTRICTIVE AUDILBE SYSTEM Causing Blitz Problems?
 
where have i heard this before? :kitten:

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/sho....php?p=1454491

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=102239

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/sho....php?p=1412060

SchaubApologist 11-17-2013 08:47 PM

Re: Lack of NO HUDDLE, RESTRICTIVE AUDILBE SYSTEM Causing Blitz Problems?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by amazing80 (Post 2252459)
:slapfight: you think gary knew about that? i bet he went off script, ala stafford diving over the oline for a td fake spike

absolutely. that was 100% off script and it probably pissed gary the F off.

Texecutioner 11-17-2013 08:48 PM

Re: Lack of NO HUDDLE, RESTRICTIVE AUDILBE SYSTEM Causing Blitz Problems?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 2252437)
I normally don't chime in, but it's getting stupid around here.

The "restrictive" play calling thing has been in place in this system for a long time. It won Super Bowls with Joe Montana, Steve Young, & John Elway. It made Jake Plummer look like a damn fine QB & it took Matt Schaub to two division championships, two pro Bowls & a pro bowl MVP.

It's not the same as other systems, but it works.

Not only that, but each play has it's own tweak that can be applied at any time to put the offense in a position to succeed. It's not the system's fault that Case can't count the number of defenders on either side of the ball & determine which side would be beneficial for the run play we have called up.

& on top of that, if you remember the fake spike turned fade to Andre... that's a signal they've got, something they've worked on, it's always in. They can do it at anytime. DeAndre has one as well, he talked about it after the Tennessee game.

So stop it. It's not the system. If the gimp can throw for 4000 yards in 4 of the last 5 seasons.... & our play calling is "uber-predictable" it's not the system.

This has to be your typical troll like efforts to play some devil's advocate role for responses. Back to the ignore list you go.

Lord Bills 11-17-2013 08:49 PM

Re: Lack of NO HUDDLE, RESTRICTIVE AUDILBE SYSTEM Causing Blitz Problems?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 2252456)
My point exactly.

Don't say it's restrictive & the QB lacks the aibility to audible, then turn around & tell me the QB was able to make a play because he called an audible.

lol wuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut??????????


smdh,

"keenum fake spiked!!!!!! its proof that kubiak has a legit audible system!!!!!!"

you're one of the most dishonest posters ive ever come across. Im logging off before i say something that gets me banned.

Lord Bills 11-17-2013 08:51 PM

Re: Lack of NO HUDDLE, RESTRICTIVE AUDILBE SYSTEM Causing Blitz Problems?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Texan (Post 2252462)
where have i heard this before? :kitten:

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/sho....php?p=1454491

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This is just my opinion. But in my football watching experience, I've seen two types of coaches. The one, who believes it is part of the learning process, and gives the QB the freedom to call audibles from day 1, and the other who believes the QB needs to earn the right to be able to call audibles.

I don't think either is right or wrong, but I do believe if you have good people on offense, Head Coach, Offensive Coordinator, QB Coach, then you are setting your QB up for success, by not giving him the ability to audible. Less for him to think about. If you have good plays, which we do, and use a variety of formations and motion to reveal the defense, which we do, the QB has enough information to make almost any play work.

I believe the success Matt has had, (& David Carr and Sage Rosenfels to that extent) is proof of that.

The QB earns the right to call audibles, by first, making the most of the plays & the options those plays present him. Matt is doing excellent in that regard. Second, the QB has to have a conversation with the QBCoach/Offensive Coordinator on the sidelines, when looking at game-time photos. Talk about the last play, what you saw, what you thought, don't let them talk to you about what you should have seen, what you missed. & thirdly, the QB has to make timely use of timeouts. If you are in a position, where there is absolutely no way that you can be successful with the play you were given, call a timeout. This should happen rarely, but when it does, the QB has to recognize it. Talk it over with the coach, tell him what you see, what you think. I think this builds trust, and earns the ability to call audibles.

I don't know how much of this is going on. I imagine Schaub is a sharp guy, and is doing most of it. But I rarely see Matt call timeouts.

I'm watching the Seattle game, 6:31 left in the second Qtr. We are lined up in the Ace package, 2 WRs, 2 TEs, on the 50 yard line, 2nd & 6. Seattle is in nickel showing blitz, with 7 guys on the LOS.

I have no idea what the play is, but there is plenty of time on the clock, we have the lead, our guys seem to be lined up correctly, and ready to snap the ball... & GK calls a timeout.

It may just be me, but I think that should have been Matt who called that timeout.

I believe like any head coach, GK values his timeouts, and don't want to use them unless you have to. But, he's also very conservative, and doesn't want to change the play at the LOS, unless you absolutely have to. Once Matt shows he knows when to use timeouts, he'll know when to call an audible.
wow.

and he started the thread too.

im outta here.

thunderkyss 11-17-2013 08:59 PM

Re: Lack of NO HUDDLE, RESTRICTIVE AUDILBE SYSTEM Causing Blitz Problems?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SchaubApologist (Post 2252457)
are you really bragging about a probowl mvp?

dude, come on. it's getting really hard reading your blather.

Stick to the point. Schaub is a garbage QB, but he looked good in this system.

If Keenum is "the truth" this system that turns garbage into wine should make Keenum a God. Not being able to move the ball, or not being able to pick up the blitz has nothing to do with the system.

Several teams use the same system, they don't audible. Each play is adjustable to what the defense shows them.

tvaughan 11-17-2013 09:00 PM

Re: Lack of NO HUDDLE, RESTRICTIVE AUDILBE SYSTEM Causing Blitz Problems?
 
One of the things I noticed today was that on one of those jail-break blitzes, not a single receiver made a break less than 15 yards out. It was one of the few shots I could see downfield with how the TV covers the game.

How does that happen? After they have been killing you all day sending 6-7 guys -- and the line isn't slowing them down at all (there's was almost always at least one guy unabated to the QB), there is no hot route inside, crossing, a slant, or out to the flat or SOMETHING that doesn't require Case to wait for it to develop?

It just seemed so strange. Even if Case isn't making the read, why isn't a receiver making the read and going to a hot rot of some kind? It's takes two to make the read after all.

I did not understand the scheme here. Totally baffling.

thunderkyss 11-17-2013 09:00 PM

Re: Lack of NO HUDDLE, RESTRICTIVE AUDILBE SYSTEM Causing Blitz Problems?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by amazing80 (Post 2252459)
:slapfight: you think gary knew about that? i bet he went off script, ala stafford diving over the oline for a td fake spike

He wouldn't have finished the game if you're right about what a control freak Gary is."

thunderkyss 11-17-2013 09:05 PM

Re: Lack of NO HUDDLE, RESTRICTIVE AUDILBE SYSTEM Causing Blitz Problems?
 
There's some good stuff in there.

thunderkyss 11-17-2013 09:07 PM

Re: Lack of NO HUDDLE, RESTRICTIVE AUDILBE SYSTEM Causing Blitz Problems?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tvaughan (Post 2252484)
It just seemed so strange. Even if Case isn't making the read, why isn't a receiver making the read and going to a hot rot of some kind? It's takes two to make the read after all.

I did not understand the scheme here. Totally baffling.

After the game Kubiak said Hopkins took less snaps as the game went on because he made several mistakes.


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