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Playoffs 11-15-2013 09:25 PM

NFL will look at making QBs safer
 
NFL will look at making QBs safer

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Thanks to a broken collarbone on a run-of-the-mill sack, the Green Bay Packers are without Aaron Rodgers. Their rivals in the NFC North, the Chicago Bears, are without Jay Cutler thanks to a bum leg, which also wasn't the result of some sort of illegal hit.

Game after game, NFL quarterbacks get sacked, get hurt -- and miss starts. Of the 15 games on this week's schedule, nine -- 60 percent -- feature at least one team that has been forced to change its quarterback because of injury this season.

The NFL's competition committee will take a look this offseason at whether to expand rules that protect the quarterback.

...Sam Bradford...is one of nine quarterbacks on injured reserve in 2013, the second most through 10 weeks in any of the past 15 seasons, according to STATS.

Amid those regular reminders of the dangers facing players at the sport's marquee position, the league's competition committee will take a look this offseason at whether to expand rules that protect the QB, NFL vice president of officiating Dean Blandino said Thursday.

"Should he always get protection from low hits or head hits, regardless of the posture he's presenting?" Blandino said in a telephone interview. "Part of the conversation will be: Should that protection be expanded to all times when the quarterback has the ball in the pocket?"
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BullBlitz 11-15-2013 10:00 PM

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Games without good QBs are hardly worth watching. Fine to consider additional options to protect them.

Showtime100 11-15-2013 10:25 PM

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Hmmm. Last week Peyton Manning gets hit and b*tched and moaned about it like a QB, or should I say HE, should be untouchable..........

...........days later the NFL, having heard poor Sweet Polly's cries of distress, is off to the rescue.

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An NFL game is hardly worth watching unless there is a good QB? Disagree.

Carr Bombed 11-15-2013 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BullBlitz (Post 2250286)
Games without good QBs are hardly worth watching. Fine to consider additional options to protect them.

Screw that.. they're protected enough. Injuries are a part of football and since this is the most "injured QB" season in 15 years with all the added protection that they've already been given since then that tells me it's just a anomaly.

And how do you propose that they add additional options to protect them? You already can't hit them high or hit them low.. so now you can't hit them at all? Or can hit them high or low regardless of what posture they're in? If you do that all a QB has to do is jump up and get his legs up in the air or bring his head down.. Then it's welcome to the NBA (Which used to be my favorite sport way back when).. The National Flopball League. :rolleyes:

You can add all the rules you want, it's not going to stop people from getting hurt. The only thing that's going to stop that is if you put flags on everybody and as soon as that happens, I'll stop watching. Hell if they keep jacking with the rules at the rate they are I might stop watching.

qqert 11-16-2013 02:10 AM

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.. on the road to becoming the Flag Football League.
just the usual primadonnas getting their way. :bubbles::bubbles::bubbles:

Thorn 11-16-2013 05:29 AM

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Stuff evolves over time. Perhaps the reason very mobile QBs are in vogue now is a reaction to QB injuries. Perhaps the days of the immobile pocket QB are over. Let the game evolve naturally, because it can on it's own.

Corrosion 11-16-2013 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Thorn (Post 2250348)
Stuff evolves over time. Perhaps the reason very mobile QBs are in vogue now is a reaction to QB injuries. Perhaps the days of the immobile pocket QB are over. Let the game evolve naturally, because it can on it's own.

Its not evolving naturally , it evolves every time a big name gets hurt.

Brady , Cushing , Peyton .... all had rules changed in recent years cause they got hurt.


Injuries are a part of the game ... even in basketball , whats suppose to be a non contact sport .... injuries happen.


They have changed the game so much and to the advantage of the offense , it really puts teams without those big name QB's in a bind. Teams use to be able to compensate for a poor passing game with good defense and running the ball well.

Now .... you don't have that option.

jaayteetx 11-16-2013 05:59 PM

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Don't like it, stop watching and stop going to the games. Thats the only thing that will do any good.

Corrosion 11-16-2013 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jaayteetx (Post 2250492)
Don't like it, stop watching and stop going to the games. Thats the only thing that will do any good.

That wont do any good either .... cause when I give up my tickets , the next guy will pick them up.

IDEXAN 11-16-2013 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Playoffs (Post 2250272)

That's what might happen when you try to run the ball. In other news, looks like the NFL is fitting league QBs with skirts and dresses.

Playoffs 11-18-2013 08:36 AM

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This hit just changed the outcome of a game...

Was a hit & recovered fumble, but called an illegal "high" hit on the (short)QB.

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deucetx 11-18-2013 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by BullBlitz (Post 2250286)
Games without good QBs are hardly worth watching. Fine to consider additional options to protect them.

What other options? Can't hit them low. Can't hit them high. Can't even have your hand barely brush their helmet without a flag and we just saw a crap call against the 49ers. There are no other options.

And plus what games are hardly worth watching? I just watched some McGlowing or whatever beat my Texans. I watched McCown as the backup lead my Bears to victory. Everyone was watching Keenum. In other words, backups hardly made games not worth watching. If teams have issues then it sounds like they need to actually develop their backup quarterback then.

infantrycak 11-18-2013 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Playoffs (Post 2252798)
This hit just changed the outcome of a game...

Was a hit & recovered fumble, but called an illegal "high" hit on the (short)QB.

It was the correct call under the existing rules. Fans just keep screwing up the rule as head to head. Blows to the head or neck area by helmet, shoulder or arm are prohibited.

The two potential rule changes they are thinking about are extensions of the low hit rule. One extension would apply it outside the pocket (right now it is only in the pocket) and another would apply it during rushing exchanges (right now it does not apply until the QB assumes a passing posture). I don't see either of those as changing the sport.

MightyTExan 11-18-2013 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Playoffs (Post 2252798)
This hit just changed the outcome of a game...

Was a hit & recovered fumble, but called an illegal "high" hit on the (short)QB.

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mootini 11-18-2013 02:23 PM

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NFL is getting lamer by the year...National FLAGFOOTBALL League it is becoming. What's the next rule, defenders will have to count to 5 Mississippi before rushing?

Rey 11-18-2013 02:38 PM

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Nfl should instead look to make qb's tougher.

Corrosion 11-18-2013 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 2252923)
It was the correct call under the existing rules. Fans just keep screwing up the rule as head to head. Blows to the head or neck area by helmet, shoulder or arm are prohibited.

The two potential rule changes they are thinking about are extensions of the low hit rule. One extension would apply it outside the pocket (right now it is only in the pocket) and another would apply it during rushing exchanges (right now it does not apply until the QB assumes a passing posture). I don't see either of those as changing the sport.

Didn't look like contact to the head or neck to me , his arm went across the chest ... you see the head stay for a fraction of a second then decide its time to follow the rest of his body. Poor call IMO.

Didn't watch that game , was it reviewed or called in that instant ?? That would be a tough call to make in real time. I could see them erring on the side of protecting the QB if it was a real time / not reviewed.

TheMatrix31 11-18-2013 09:22 PM

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Wish they'd protect defensive players too. I could stand to not see our season ruined for a third straight year via a low hit to Brian Cushing's knee.

infantrycak 11-18-2013 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Corrosion (Post 2253425)
Didn't look like contact to the head or neck to me , his arm went across the chest ... you see the head stay for a fraction of a second then decide its time to follow the rest of his body. Poor call IMO.

Didn't watch that game , was it reviewed or called in that instant ?? That would be a tough call to make in real time. I could see them erring on the side of protecting the QB if it was a real time / not reviewed.

I don't see it as even close. The fact that initial contact is across Brees' chest with the lower part of his arm is irrelevant because the arm is after all connected and the upper arm is at his neck and his shoulder pad drives into his head.

Slowmo version.

It was called on the field. It has been reviewed by the league already and confirmed.

Corrosion 11-19-2013 12:06 AM

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The arm is .... right across the shoulder pads.


Does the head contact the shoulder pad .... yeah but as a consequence of the whiplash effect. I'd call it incidental .... but that's with the benefit of slomo. Letter of the rule .... sure , I'd agree with that if it was the call on the field , could also see it going the other way.


I'd expect the league to confirm it .... it would have been a difficult call in real time.

They've made it difficult for defenses .... cant hit the QB high , cant hit him low , cant touch the receiver after 5 yards , cant hit him as he's making the grab unless you are playing the ball , cant blast him after he's made the catch until he becomes a runner (which is discretionary at best).
Its getting to the point where even a great defense cant compensate for the difference in talent at the QB / WR positions.


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