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Vinny 11-14-2013 09:20 AM

DeMeco Ryans is performing like a Pro Bowl player again
 
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Contending teams don't often part with all-pros unless there's a reason. The Eagles learned that lesson the hard way in the past.

But in his second season with the Eagles, Ryans is validating the Eagles' end of the trade by pushing to make his first Pro Bowl since 2009.

"This is the level I was playing at," Ryans said. "It's fun being back at that level, being able to make plays."

Ryans, 29, is not especially boastful. His claim echoes what has been said elsewhere in the organization, from the locker room to the coaching staff to the front office. Ryans ranks fourth in the NFL with 89 tackles and is second in solo tackles with 71. He also has two sacks and two interceptions, and is a major reason that the Eagles have held opponents to an average 16.25 points in the last four games.

"DeMeco is the leader of our defense and he's having an outstanding Pro Bowl year and we couldn't be happier with everything DeMeco is doing for us," defensive coordinator Bill Davis said. "Between tackle to tackle, he is a force."

Outside linebacker Connor Barwin played with Ryans in Houston during Ryans' last Pro Bowl season and agreed that the veteran has returned to his pre-injury level.

"If not even better," Barwin said.

Ryans was a leader in the Texans locker room. After returning from the injury, he played second fiddle to Brian Cushing in the Texans' new 3-4 defense in 2011. He was not believed to be an ideal fit for their scheme - the Eagles even said Ryans was better for a 4-3 defense when they acquired him.

When the Texans traded him, "everybody was shocked, everybody questioned it, and nobody really understood it," Barwin said.
Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...3QvUstpfEFg.99

eriadoc 11-14-2013 09:38 AM

Re: DeMeco Ryans is performing like a Pro Bowl player again
 
Better MLB than Cushing, IMO. He was under-appreciated when he was here.

Dutchrudder 11-14-2013 09:47 AM

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Buy high, sell low, that is the motto of the Texans GM.

PapaL 11-14-2013 09:51 AM

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That's great for DeMeco. He's a stand up dude. I'm glad for him.

Playoffs 11-14-2013 10:43 AM

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DeMeco may be the best leader I've ever seen on a defense and I was sad to see him go. But as far as the Texans were concerned he's better suited as a 4-3 MLB when healthy, and I'd say his PFF ratings bear that out. It's nice to see him healthy and contributing. Will be interesting to see if Philly pays him ~$7 million next year.

ILBs for defenses that can't get off the field (or whose offenses post lots of 3 & outs/turnovers) are at the top of the tackles rankings because they're taking more defensive snaps. DeMeco leads the NFL in ILB defensive snaps(note: Eagles bye week is 11/24). Eagles are second worst in yards allowed with 417 yards*/game, ahead of only Dallas after the Cowboys allowed 623 & 625 yards in 2 of last 3 games.


*2012 Saints hold record for most yards at 440/game

Rey 11-14-2013 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Playoffs (Post 2249547)
DeMeco may be the best leader I've ever seen on a defense and I was sad to see him go. But as far as the Texans were concerned he's better suited as a 4-3 MLB when healthy, and I'd say his PFF ratings bear that out. It's nice to see him healthy and contributing. Will be interesting to see if Philly pays him ~$7 million next year.

ILBs for defenses that can't get off the field (or whose offenses post lots of 3 & outs/turnovers) are at the top of the tackles rankings because they're taking more defensive snaps. DeMeco leads the NFL in ILB defensive snaps(note: Eagles bye week is 11/24). Eagles are second worst in yards allowed with 417 yards*/game, ahead of only Dallas after the Cowboys allowed 623 & 625 yards in 2 of last 3 games.


*2012 Saints hold record for most yards at 440/game

Was about to post something similar.

Demeco would have been a nice player to have on a cheaper contract, but he's not worth that money. Unfortunately, Cushing has never played Andrew luck in the nfl so it kind of leaves a big hole at mlb for two years running. And who knows what injuries he'll suffer in the future.

Double Barrel 11-14-2013 10:57 AM

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I have always liked DeMeco and wish him the best in Philly. Even better that he's on a Cowboys rival, so no problem rooting for him team, as well!

IDEXAN 11-14-2013 01:01 PM

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Always an AFC fan with no team to follow in the "senior" conference, the Eagles
are now my go-to-NFC team with both DeMeco & Barwin starting for them and also with former Texans Casey and Maehl on their roster. And it's ironical that DeMeco is back to his former pro-bowl form in Phillys 3-4.

Double Barrel 11-14-2013 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by IDEXAN (Post 2249678)
And it's ironical that DeMeco is back to his former pro-bowl form in Phillys 3-4.

This boggles my mind. I did not realize Philly was running a 3-4 until this article.

I remember all the 'experts' saying he would never be a good fit in a 3-4 defense.

Guess it all depends on how he's used.

HOU-TEX 11-14-2013 02:05 PM

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One of my favorite players to watch ever since his days at Bama. It was a dumb move then and even dumber now. ILB has been an issue ever since.

infantrycak 11-14-2013 02:07 PM

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Sure is a whole lot of hindsight to bash everything about the Texans going on around here.

Lets take a giant step back and even not make this DeMeco specific. As a general matter every time there is an injury there is a large group who say the player will never be the same, of course at least imagine it is true and are unwilling to wait long enough to be proven wrong. AJ has been a common target with folks going so far as to suggest he is no longer really a #1 WR and really is only getting his production by being wiley and schemes (from our crappy coach).

Some folks were correctly pointing out Ryans made great strides in getting back to his old form as the season progressed but there was a large and vocal faction that DeMeco had lost a step, no longer had the range for the job and was being paid way too much. If you were in the latter group then the Texans agreed with you and you should STFU about the decision.

/rant

Double Barrel 11-14-2013 03:15 PM

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I just read the trade thread, and there were a lot of folks unhappy with the decision. Vinny made a ton of great points (among other posters).

Others rationalized it due to salary, even though they didn't like it.

A few were complete homers and thought the Texans could do no wrong.

Didn't he have a good performance in the two 2011 playoff games?

And let's be honest: 2-7 is a crappy team that deserves harsh criticism. This team is pretty much done for the year in November, which is never a good thing for team or fans.

Rey 11-14-2013 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Double Barrel (Post 2249690)
This boggles my mind. I did not realize Philly was running a 3-4 until this article.

I remember all the 'experts' saying he would never be a good fit in a 3-4 defense.

Guess it all depends on how he's used.

Demeco was very good for us towards the end in wades 34.

For me it wasn't about 34 fit. It was about how he and his contract fit with the team. His usage didn't justify that big contract IMO. But on a cheaper contract I'd have loved to have kept demeco.

JCTexan 11-14-2013 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Double Barrel (Post 2249733)
I just read the trade thread, and there were a lot of folks unhappy with the decision. Vinny made a ton of great points (among other posters).

Yeah, I recall being a little pissed with DeMeco being traded. My post in that thread:

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Originally Posted by JCTexan (Post 1922010)
****, Ryans was the leader on this defense. I will surely miss watching him in a Texans uniform.


HOU-TEX 11-14-2013 03:35 PM

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A couple posts of mine from the thread DB mentioned. My thoughts haven't changed a lick. Bad trade

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Originally Posted by HOU-TEX View Post
I think anyone who might be thinking D-Ryans won't be an effective player anymore are just trying to make themselves feel better about this trade. There's no doubt in my mind he will be the leader and most effective player on the Eagles D.

Normally I begin to feel better about these kinda things a day or two later. Well, I don't and highly doubt I ever will. Bad trade
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Originally Posted by HOU-TEX (Post 1922864)
I've never been too critical of Smith and our FO up to this point. I'd usually shrug it off as thinking they knew better than I would about the cap/contracts/etc. But, I must say, this trade is horrible no matter how I look at it. It screams of screwing the pooch capwise.

I was ok with letting Winston go because I think Butler has the athleticism to be better. I was even coo with allowing Brisiel to walk once we re-signed Myers. I was fine with Mario leaving because I knew we couldn't afford him. I was going to be ok if Dreessen ended up signing elsewhere too. This, I just can't agree with at all. Just piss poor value in return for a player of D-Ryans caliber.

Sharpton played fairly well in place of D-Ryans, but the dude can't stay on the field long enough to properly evaluate his performance.

All that said, *sigh*, I'm still a Texans fan to the core.


Rey 11-14-2013 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 2249704)
Sure is a whole lot of hindsight to bash everything about the Texans going on around here.

Lets take a giant step back and even not make this DeMeco specific. As a general matter every time there is an injury there is a large group who say the player will never be the same, of course at least imagine it is true and are unwilling to wait long enough to be proven wrong. AJ has been a common target with folks going so far as to suggest he is no longer really a #1 WR and really is only getting his production by being wiley and schemes (from our crappy coach).

Some folks were correctly pointing out Ryans made great strides in getting back to his old form as the season progressed but there was a large and vocal faction that DeMeco had lost a step, no longer had the range for the job and was being paid way too much. If you were in the latter group then the Texans agreed with you and you should STFU about the decision.

/rant

Maybe direct some if that ranting towards the actual organization that makes these decisions instead of other fans.

Seems like you're more ticked at the fans commenting on the moves the organization makes than the actual ****ty moves being made.

Double Barrel 11-14-2013 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rey (Post 2249739)
Demeco was very good for us towards the end in wades 34.

For me it wasn't about 34 fit. It was about how he and his contract fit with the team. His usage didn't justify that big contract IMO. But on a cheaper contract I'd have loved to have kept demeco.

I understand the contract point. However, I think it is imperative to figure out a way to make room to sign a clear locker room leader that still had a lot of football in him.

I have alway been under the impression that it was both contract and DeMeco not being good for a 3-4 (even though he looked good in Wade's D like you said).

infantrycak 11-14-2013 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rey (Post 2249746)
Maybe direct some if that ranting towards the actual organization that makes these decisions instead of other fans.

Seems like you're more ticked at the fans commenting on the moves the organization makes than the actual ****ty moves being made.

No for two reasons. One in this specific instance I disagreed with the team but I don't think it was a huge gaff - they had to make a judgment call and there were reasons for the way they went. Two, as a general matter I was commenting on some fans - nobody in particular which is why I did not quote anyone.

Since everyone is doing it, my position:

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Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 1824783)
Do you see the freaking brace on his arm? If you do, you don't understand how limiting that is?

Do you advocate dumping a stellar player over a temporary issue?

Dude is solid when hobbled, a general of the D. When back in full form he and Cushing will be the best ILB duo in the NFL.

Cushing is an emotional leader. DeMeco is an intellectual leader. And both are sideline to sideline players when healthy.

Many folks were assuming DeMeco would not get better and CnD, no offense, wasn't supporting any confidence calling the chance of improvement a miraculous exception:

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Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger (Post 1824979)
After reading all the comments, it seems that it would be helpful to refresh memories. I will only briefly summarize the pertinent points (specific to Demeco) of the analysis of NFL players that I reviewed previously for Stephanie's blog in the Chronicle.

*1/3 of the players were NEVER able to return to the NFL

*Defensively, linebackers experienced the greatest drop in power ratings (DEFENSIVE POWER RATING calculated as a total of TACKLES + INTERCEPTIONS), followed by cornerbacks, defensive tackles, and defensive ends. The average decrease was 95% (p=0.09), 87% (p=0.03), 64% (p=0.01), and 55% (p=0.03), respectively. In other words, LBs were the players (both offensive and defensive) that had the most drop off of all players to return.

*Their 1st season post injury tended to be their BEST performing season post injury.......but significantly down from the 3 years prior to injury. Each subsequent post injury season saw a DECREASE (not an increase)in performance from the prior season as measured up to 3 years post injury.

As I explained at the time that I presented the data, there were definite limitations to the study. But even if you felt justified in halving the post injury power rating losses due to these limitations, the numbers would still be quite discouraging.

According to the available data, absent Demeco's elbow injury, this season could have been Demeco's best chance to show his most productive post injury season. There is always that "miraculous" exceptional case that occurs out there, and that is true.......but realistically the odds are not with Demeco.

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Originally Posted by Rey (Post 1825072)
Yes he is overpaid.

I like demeco, but I think we could get similar production for a cheaper price.

If the info cloak posted holds true then he will be even more overpaid than he already is.

It sucks terribly, but it is what it is.

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Originally Posted by Wolf6151 (Post 1825129)
I appreciate your input. Thanks. Unfortunately I think the Texans will be like most posters here burying their heads in the sand and hoping that Demeco is the 1 in 100 player that makes a full recovery to pre-injury level. Yes Demeco is overpaid for his current level of production. I don't know how many years it will take to pay him the guaranteed portion of his contract but I'll bet the Texans will bring him back next year.

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Originally Posted by Corrosion (Post 1824832)
I dont dispute that Cak .... but thats a lot of cap space tied up in a guy who is only on the field in the base defense.

If he's not healthy and isnt contributing at a level comparable to his pay do you continue to pay him or do you cut your losses and sign a FA at a reasonable cost or even a draft pick which would be making considerably less ?

If he's healthy there is no question you keep him .... but thats not the case here.

Yes DB the Texans are sucking at 2-7. As I have said on other subjects and as was the intent on this one - that doesn't mean they f'd up everything they touched. If you were OK with the decision then, you should be OK with it now.

IDEXAN 11-14-2013 04:51 PM

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DeMeco was the odd man out when Wade Phillips arrived on the scene because Wades D scheme called for just one full-time ILB and as good as Demeco was in that full-time role Cushing was better. And since DeMeco had received a fat, new contract just the year before Wades arrival, it just wasn't feasible
cap wise to keep such an expensive part-time LB on the roster. Texans made the right decision back then, and it is still the right decision today.
EOS !

Double Barrel 11-14-2013 05:26 PM

Re: DeMeco Ryans is performing like a Pro Bowl player again
 
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Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 2249762)
Yes DB the Texans are sucking at 2-7. As I have said on other subjects and as was the intent on this one - that doesn't mean they f'd up everything they touched. If you were OK with the decision then, you should be OK with it now.

I agree, man. But having been through these kind of sucktastic seasons, we know the level of bitching is going to reach Biblical proportions. Unfortunately, some of the more logical and constructive analysis gets lost in the white noise of massive complaining.

The ones I just don't get is the reflective calls to fire Kubiak in 2010, like the past two playoff seasons never happened, and like wanting him fired after 6-10 was some kind of badge of honor.

I would never trade the past two seasons, and honestly, I will always think positive of Kubiak for those two seasons regardless of how things pan out. It doesn't give him free pass this season, but I'm not going to act like 2011 & 2012 were not a blast and were not great for this franchise, city, and fanbase. Kubiak is behind our first winning season, first playoffs (and wins), and first division titles, so I will not lose my objectivity in that regard.

And I know you're not pointing fingers at anyone specific, but I'm trying to sort through the various perspectives to find the nuggets of gold. Although I dislike being in agreement with some folks, just as a matter of principle.

So yeah, now my [/rant] :D


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