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djohn2oo8 11-10-2013 12:28 PM

Texans FO frustrated with Kubiak?
 
According to Ian Rappaport on his twitter page. I'm on my phone so can't post it

Nawzer 11-10-2013 12:29 PM

Re: Texans FO frustrated with Kubiak?
 
They're 2 years too late. Unfortunately, they'll likely bring him back.

TejasTom 11-10-2013 12:34 PM

Re: Texans FO frustrated with Kubiak?
 
Here it is.

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#Texans front office a bit frustrated with Kubiak/coaches (4-10 in last 14). Coaches have too much draft input, keep stars on field too long.

DocBar 11-10-2013 12:45 PM

Re: Texans FO frustrated with Kubiak?
 
And whose fault is it if the coaches have too much influence on the draft? I believe that would be Smith?

I totally agree that they leave "name" players on the field too long after their production falls off. Kubiak seems to place locker room presence and team chemistry over on field production a lot of times.

eriadoc 11-10-2013 12:48 PM

Re: Texans FO frustrated with Kubiak?
 
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Originally Posted by DocBar (Post 2245654)
I totally agree that they leave "name" players on the field too long after their production falls off. Kubiak seems to place locker room presence and team chemistry over on field production a lot of times.

I agree, but I find it ironic that all the offseason reports were that the front office was mostly responsible for bringing in Ed Reed. Meanwhile, Wade Phillips was responsible for moving Glover Quin to safety, where he did a pretty decent job.

texanhead08 11-10-2013 12:49 PM

Re: Texans FO frustrated with Kubiak?
 
I am just as frustrated with Rick Smith's inability to manage the salary cap. If Kubes is gone he needs to be right behind him.

welsh texan 11-10-2013 12:50 PM

Re: Texans FO frustrated with Kubiak?
 
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Originally Posted by DocBar (Post 2245654)
And whose fault is it if the coaches have too much influence on the draft? I believe that would be Smith?

I totally agree that they leave "name" players on the field too long after their production falls off. Kubiak seems to place locker room presence and team chemistry over on field production a lot of times.

On my phone so can't paste the link but there's a slightly fuller article on nfl.com which says the frustration is at a lack of in-game rotation, on the dline in particular leading to them being gassed late in games. Teams are beating us on 4th quarter comebacks consistently so it's hard to disagree. Then again how good is the talent behind the starters??

DocBar 11-10-2013 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by welsh texan (Post 2245658)
On my phone so can't paste the link but there's a slightly fuller article on nfl.com which says the frustration is at a lack of in-game rotation, on the dline in particular leading to them being gassed late in games. Teams are beating us on 4th quarter comebacks consistently so it's hard to disagree. Then again how good is the talent behind the starters??

Texans FO Frustrated with Kubiak

I got it for you.

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The interesting part of Rapoport's report is that he said the Texans' front office is "a bit frustrated" with Kubiak and the rest of his coaching staff.

The frustration stems from coaches having too much draft input and keeping stars on the field too long. Rapoport elaborated on the last point saying that the front office believes the lack of a defensive-line rotation leads to wearing down late in games.

DocBar 11-10-2013 12:58 PM

Re: Texans FO frustrated with Kubiak?
 
The good news is that it sounds like FO is just as frustrated with Phillips. It's his DL that is pointed out in the article.

infantrycak 11-10-2013 12:58 PM

Re: Texans FO frustrated with Kubiak?
 
Dline rotation falls on Kollar and Wade.

texanhead08 11-10-2013 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 2245661)
Dline rotation falls on the DL coach and Wade.

It should also fall on the GM who supplied the coaches with the players they feel aren't good enough to be on the field.

badboy 11-10-2013 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by texanhead08 (Post 2245657)
I am just as frustrated with Rick Smith's inability to manage the salary cap. If Kubes is gone he needs to be right behind him.

Perhaps you could spend a little time learning about the cap? We are in very good shape and have signed the FAs (ours & others) we wanted for the last two seasons. We should be able to sign any we want this off season within reason.

eriadoc 11-10-2013 01:03 PM

Re: Texans FO frustrated with Kubiak?
 
There's really nothing good about this being in the news. The team is at odds within, so winning is going to be extremely difficult.

Carr Bombed 11-10-2013 01:03 PM

Re: Texans FO frustrated with Kubiak?
 
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Originally Posted by DocBar (Post 2245654)
And whose fault is it if the coaches have too much influence on the draft? I believe that would be Smith?

I totally agree that they leave "name" players on the field too long after their production falls off. Kubiak seems to place locker room presence and team chemistry over on field production a lot of times.

are they saying they keep them on the field too long after their production falls off... or are they saying they just keep them on the field too long?

Because there was plenty of times last season and the season before where we could've got starters out of the game and used garbage time to develop other players and build depth. If we did that the #2 QB position could've been solved before camp even started and Foster might have not been ran into the ground like he was.

texanhead08 11-10-2013 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by badboy (Post 2245664)
Perhaps you could spend a little time learning about the cap? We are in very good shape and have signed the FAs (ours & others) we wanted for the last two seasons. We should be able to sign any we want this off season within reason.

I just don't feel like we have replaced the free agents we have lost with quality players.

2011
Mario
Demeco
Briesel
Winston

2012
Quinn
Casey
Barwin

Texans are a 3-4 with major holes at LB

We have struggled running the ball for 2yrs now in spite of the fact that we have one of the most productive RB tandems in the league. I expect a lot of players to be released this off season and if Smith whiffs on more draft picks we should be in rebuild mode the next couple of years.

TheMatrix31 11-10-2013 01:14 PM

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I have zero real problems with Rick Smith. That guy has done an amazing job over the years. Of course some moves have panned out and others haven't. This is real life.

eriadoc 11-10-2013 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by texanhead08 (Post 2245670)
I just don't feel like we have replaced the free agents we have lost with quality players.

2011
Mario
Demeco
Briesel
Winston

2012
Quinn
Casey
Barwin

Texans are a 3-4 with major holes at LB

We have struggled running the ball for 2yrs now in spite of the fact that we have one of the most productive RB tandems in the league. I expect a lot of players to be released this off season and if Smith whiffs on more draft picks we should be in rebuild mode the next couple of years.

I agree with this. The Texans run a 3-4, but have never drafted an impact nose tackle. They are extremely weak at LB for a team that puts an extra one ont he field at any given time. They are weak on OL for a team that is supposedly more run oriented than most others in the NFL. Whatever you think about the talent they let go, it's evident they didn't have a sufficient plan to replace that talent. If you draft guys that work out, you either have to keep them or plan for their replacement. The Texans FO has done a crappy job of that, IMO.

As for the cap ... well, I'll just say that Ed Reed makes about the same as Quin this year, so yeah, that cap number looks great. LOL

DocBar 11-10-2013 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Carr Bombed (Post 2245667)
are they saying they keep them on the field too long after their production falls off... or are they saying they just keep them on the field too long?

Because there was plenty of times last season and the season before where we could've got starters out of the game and used garbage time to develop other players and build depth. If we did that the #2 QB position could've been solved before camp even started and Foster might have not been ran into the ground like he was.

The bold is what I was referring to. I misread the twatter post.

I agree with both, though.

Kaiser Toro 11-10-2013 01:26 PM

Interesting time for this to be published, especially with an organization that rarely has leaks.

Change is coming.

texanhead08 11-10-2013 01:28 PM

Re: Texans FO frustrated with Kubiak?
 
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Originally Posted by Kaiser Toro (Post 2245687)
Interesting time for this to be published, especially with an organization that rarely has leaks.

Change is coming.


There was a leak in Dec 2010 that Kubiak was gone too and it never happened.


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