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kingtexan 11-06-2013 02:16 PM

Cheering and Throwing Ice ...
 
After watching MS stand there sulking for two games wearing his helmet on the sideline ... hiding under it, while his team is out there battling for Case in a way they never would have for him ... now I get it. I have never been a Schaub supporter, but also thought the fans were acting foolish for going at him the way they did. I don't anymore. Just want him and his family out of Houston as soon as possible so we can began the process of forgetting we ever had the misfortune of having him here to begin with. Matt Schaub is the definition of a loser.

Carr Bombed 11-06-2013 02:30 PM

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I blame the team more.. nobody likes to lose their job, it's got to be even worse when you lose your job and aren't allowed a pink slip. The team could've avoided all of this by simply I.R.ing Schaub.

I also wouldn't call him the "definition of a loser". He just is limited in what he can physically do, but he still wants to be out there. Again could have avoided all of it by placing him on I.R. I still appreciate his service to the team.. regardless if he was just a bridge from a horrible QB to a possible franchise QB.

Big Lou 11-06-2013 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kingtexan (Post 2244095)
After watching MS stand there sulking for two games wearing his helmet on the sideline ... hiding under it, while his team is out there battling for Case in a way they never would have for him ... now I get it. I have never been a Schaub supporter, but also thought the fans were acting foolish for going at him the way they did. I don't anymore. Just want him and his family out of Houston as soon as possible so we can began the process of forgetting we ever had the misfortune of having him here to begin with. Matt Schaub is the definition of a loser.

I understand being mad at Schaub but running him out of town is a little much. I don't know him personally but I'm guessing that describes 99.9999% of this board so lets go easy on truely hating the guy. Its one thing to be glad we are going a new direction its another to attack the guy as a person.

Did you hate him when he was throwing for 300+ yards and winning games? I'm not defending him, I'm glad to see Case get a shot, but I dislike his football, I don't hate him as a person.

Double Barrel 11-06-2013 02:46 PM

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I believe he was wearing his helmet during offensive drives in order to hear the calls going out to Case.

A buddy of mine at the last game said Schaub often took his helmet off during breaks and when the Texans defense was on the field.

HOU-TEX 11-06-2013 02:47 PM

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:rolleyes: Geez, some people take sports way too far. Dislike the 'player' as much as you like, but it's ignorant talking like this about a guy and his family over bad performances on the field.

I've never met the guy, but he seems like a great person off the field.

mussop 11-06-2013 02:48 PM

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Throwing ice?

deucetx 11-06-2013 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by HOU-TEX (Post 2244115)
:rolleyes: Geez, some people take sports way too far. Dislike the 'player' as much as you like, but it's ignorant talking like this about a guy and his family over bad performances on the field.

I've never met the guy, but he seems like a great person off the field.

Have to agree. Run him out of town why? I love my football, my teams, etc. But I am not going to put it to the point where I want a guy out of town as if he has done wrong for a city. Schaub has given to the community and ran some successful charities. So I have no issue for someone who has been good to our city even if their play sucked on the field. It's not that serious.

Runner 11-06-2013 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Double Barrel (Post 2244114)
I believe he was wearing his helmet during offensive drives in order to hear the calls going out to Case.

A buddy of mine at the last game said Schaub often took his helmet off during breaks and when the Texans defense was on the field.

That is correct. I was **gasp** at the Colt's game, and he stood pretty much in front of us. He was listening to the plays on offense. The helmet was off any other time.

I did wonder why he was so isolated from everyone else on the team though. Pouting, or giving Keenum space to lead? I'm a positive guy, so I'll go with the latter.

Hervoyel 11-06-2013 02:53 PM

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All Schaub ever did was play to the limits of his ability, save a bunch of Texans fans money by sticking with #8, and play so much better than David Carr that we finally knew what it was like to watch an NFL offense on the field.

He improved the team immensely when he came here. Was he the answer to the Super Bowl question? No and that's unfortunate but he tried and I don't hate him. I just want to see Case Keenum keep moving in the pocket and hitting wide open WR's deep. Doesn't mean I have any animosity towards Matt Schaub. Hell, if he works on his diction and stuff I'd perfectly content to hear him calling Texans games one day on the radio.

AMartin56 11-06-2013 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord Bills (Post 2244107)
the team? that's pretty vague. I blame Kubiak more. He let the situation get out of hand for schaub and the fans. Kubiak should have benched schaub sooner and not let it get to the point of high frustration for all parties involved including the fans to the point that they are booing him when he got injured, jeering him in his house, making cut schaub signs on the freeway, the burger name etc...

Kubiak should have benched schaub, let him take a break, watch from the sidelines, get a different perspective on the moment and let him gather his thoughts and let him regroup.

Instead he kept the status quo and showing undying loyalty to a fault and the fans and his embattled quarterback responded accordingly, negatively.

Schaub cant change who he is, but gary has the power to change who his quarterback is.

This is 100% correct IMO.

Honoring Earl 34 11-06-2013 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Runner (Post 2244119)
That is correct. I was **gasp** at the Colt's game, and he stood pretty much in front of us. He was listening to the plays on offense. The helmet was off any other time.

I did wonder why he was so isolated from everyone else on the team though. Pouting, or giving Keenum space to lead? I'm a positive guy, so I'll go with the latter.

I saw him warm up with AJ once during the game . I actually thought he was coming in and worse , it wouldn't have surprised me .

Thorn 11-06-2013 03:08 PM

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Schaub and his days are over with, let him be. They can't realistically do anything with him now that the trading deadline is over with, and he is a better backup than Yates. Might as well get used to him walking the sidelines here, it's his last season as a player here anyway.

I just don't have the dislike for him that I used to knowing that Keenum is the starter now.

Brisco_County 11-06-2013 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kingtexan (Post 2244095)
After watching MS stand there sulking for two games wearing his helmet on the sideline ... hiding under it, while his team is out there battling for Case in a way they never would have for him ... now I get it. I have never been a Schaub supporter, but also thought the fans were acting foolish for going at him the way they did. I don't anymore. Just want him and his family out of Houston as soon as possible so we can began the process of forgetting we ever had the misfortune of having him here to begin with. Matt Schaub is the definition of a loser.

You mean losers are the first to show up to work, and the last to leave? Losers break passing records and lead a team to a 12-4 record? I've had my criticisms of Schaub, and he needs to go, but reel in the hyperbole. He's done good things for this fanbase.

FYI, throwing ice or any object at anyone at a game is unaccetable. People should get booted for that.

kingtexan 11-06-2013 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by HOU-TEX (Post 2244115)
it's ignorant talking like this about a guy and his family over bad performances on the field.

So you would rather his kids live here and endure the ridicule that is sure to come their way in school? Would rather his family not be able to go out to dinner or shopping without hearing the comments about how we had a chance at a Superbowl, but "that guy" blew it for us? Ok, guess I am ignorant ...

kingtexan 11-06-2013 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Brisco_County (Post 2244137)
You mean losers are the first to show up to work, and the last to leave? Losers break passing records and lead a team to a 12-4 record?

First of all there are people in every type of profession who keep their jobs simply for being the ones that "come in first and leave last", without ever contributing anything in between. It, like Schaubs stats, is one of the most overrated things in history. That being said, he wouldnt have those stats without receivers making acrobatic catches to make up for his lack of accuracy. The team went 12-4 ... the receivers put up nice receiving yards, in spite of Matt ... Matt was the beneficiary of a lot of others people skills, making up for his lack of having any.

Runner 11-06-2013 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kingtexan (Post 2244140)
So you would rather his kids live here and endure the ridicule that is sure to come their way in school? Would rather his family not be able to go out to dinner or shopping without hearing the comments about how we had a chance at a Superbowl, but "that guy" blew it for us? Ok, guess I am ignorant ...

Oh - it's for the children!

I thought it was because:

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Originally Posted by kingtexan (Post 2244095)
Just want him and his family out of Houston as soon as possible so we can began the process of forgetting we ever had the misfortune of having him here to begin with.

Somehow I got the wrong impression from reading you own words.

TexanBacker93 11-06-2013 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Carr Bombed (Post 2244103)
I blame the team more.. nobody likes to lose their job, it's got to be even worse when you lose your job and aren't allowed a pink slip. The team could've avoided all of this by simply I.R.ing Schaub.

I also wouldn't call him the "definition of a loser". He just is limited in what he can physically do, but he still wants to be out there. Again could have avoided all of it by placing him on I.R. I still appreciate his service to the team.. regardless if he was just a bridge from a horrible QB to a possible franchise QB.

You said it perfectly. They should have done the IR move to save him some face. Yeah, he's struggled and I want him off the roster and give the team to Case as much as anyone. It's not because he's a loser, though. His contract doesn't afford us the luxury of keeping him around as a backup and we could use that money elsewhere. He was a solid starter for this team and helped us go from laughingstocks to SB contenders. The rails fell off this season, but it doesn't feel like 2005. There wasn't a lot of talent on that team. This team has talent. A change at QB and hopefully a change at HC or at least a philosophical adjustment and we have a chance to get back our place next season.

kingtexan 11-06-2013 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Runner (Post 2244155)
Somehow I got the wrong impression from reading you own words.

It's, ok ... with a little practice you can improve ... :fingergun:

mattieuk 11-06-2013 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by deucetx (Post 2244117)
Have to agree. Run him out of town why? I love my football, my teams, etc. But I am not going to put it to the point where I want a guy out of town as if he has done wrong for a city. Schaub has given to the community and ran some successful charities. So I have no issue for someone who has been good to our city even if their play sucked on the field. It's not that serious.

Spot on - all he has ever done is give his best for the team, and produced a lot more successfully than any other QB the Texans has had. He's a standup guy by all reports and has never caused a distraction to the team off the field.

The guy can be disliked for the ability that he doesn't have in a professional sense (which is more the fauly of the coaching staff/organisation) - but to run someone out of town, or hurl abuse/ice at him whilst he's standing on the sideline watching someone else lead what used to be his team, knowing that he's likely finished as a starter (which may have been prevented by playing him on IR, letting Case shine and gracefully releasing him at season end) in the NFL is pathetic. Such special treatment should be for people who actaully deserve it - the ones who have the rap sheets and disrespectful attitude to the fans and the city, if ever it should be dished out. Schaub's only crime was not being quite good enough to get them one step further in the playoffs.


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