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Corrosion 11-04-2013 12:20 PM

First Mock2014
 
Alright , after last nights game against the Dolts , I'm sold on Keenum at least for the duration of this season. With that in mind , I'm taking QB off the top of the list (for now).


1) FSU OT Cameron Erving - Big , Fast , Nasty. Clemson's Vic Beasley was shut down by Erving. Beasley came into the game leading the nation in sacks.
Erving has the foot speed to block at the second level. Good fit for this scheme. (Im assuming Matthews and Lewan are gone)

2) FSU ILB Christian Jones. - He may go earlier but most sources have him rated as a second round selection now. Cushing needs some help inside. Jones is a dynamic ILB. If he's gone Tennessee's AJ Johnson and UConn's Yawin Smallwood are in the conversation.

3) Washington NT Danny Shelton 6'1" 330 .... finally a tree stump in the middle that can get some push.

4) North Carolina FS Tre Boston - Ed Reed is stealing right now , he wont be back. Depth on the back end will be important.

5) Georgia TE Arthur Lynch - OD costs too much. Lynch is a strong blocker and reliable pass catcher.

6) Notre Dame CB Bennett Jackson - You can never have enough corners.

7) West Texas A&M DE/OLB Ethan Westbrooks - Classic tweener pass rush project.

NCTexan 11-04-2013 12:29 PM

Re: First Mock2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Corrosion (Post 2242815)
Alright , after last nights game against the Dolts , I'm sold on Keenum at least for the duration of this season. With that in mind , I'm taking QB off the top of the list (for now).


1) FSU OT Cameron Erving - Big , Fast , Nasty. Clemson's Vic Beasley was shut down by Erving. Beasley came into the game leading the nation in sacks.
Erving has the foot speed to block at the second level. Good fit for this scheme. (Im assuming Matthews and Lewan are gone)

2) FSU ILB Christian Jones. - He may go earlier but most sources have him rated as a second round selection now. Cushing needs some help inside. Jones is a dynamic ILB. If he's gone Tennessee's AJ Johnson and UConn's Yawin Smallwood are in the conversation.

3) Washington NT Danny Shelton 6'1" 330 .... finally a tree stump in the middle that can get some push.

4) North Carolina FS Tre Boston - Ed Reed is stealing right now , he wont be back. Depth on the back end will be important.

5) Georgia TE Arthur Lynch - OD costs too much. Lynch is a strong blocker and reliable pass catcher.

6) Notre Dame CB Bennett Jackson - You can never have enough corners.

7) West Texas A&M DE/OLB Ethan Westbrooks - Classic tweener pass rush project.

I like it. Jones in the second would be a steal, but I don't think he'll be there.

Don't know much about Shelton but like the position addressed. Can he demand double teams to allow Watt and whoever our other DE is to get ne on one more?

I like Boston and Lynch. They would be solid later round talent.

Do not know the other two, but the positions addressed seem good.

badboy 11-04-2013 01:31 PM

Re: First Mock2014
 
What happened to Smallwood against University of Central Florida with only 2 assists for tackles?

http://articles.courant.com/2013-11-...ard-linebacker

Corrosion 11-04-2013 01:45 PM

Re: First Mock2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by badboy (Post 2242888)
What happened to Smallwood against University of Central Florida with only 2 assists for tackles?

http://articles.courant.com/2013-11-...ard-linebacker

Good question , but he's pretty far down my list ....

If you don't get one of Jones or Johnson in the second and aren't comfortable with Smallwood you can always wait a round and go after one of Shayne Skov or Andrew Jackson in the third.

badboy 11-04-2013 02:13 PM

Re: First Mock2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Corrosion (Post 2242906)
Good question , but he's pretty far down my list ....

If you don't get one of Jones or Johnson in the second and aren't comfortable with Smallwood you can always wait a round and go after one of Shayne Skov or Andrew Jackson in the third.

Have not been able to watch him play just research articles. He is solid tackler that can hit and cover; Skov is recovering nicely and is extremely smart and Jackson is my boy but more inside box for both. Probably stick with Smallwood for now.

He is not mailing it in on a winless team.

Rey 11-04-2013 03:53 PM

Re: First Mock2014
 
I think corner is a much higher priority than ilb. Joseph and McCain suck and don't even make many plays anymore. I think mays has been ok and I'd bring him back next year. I'd keep sharpton as depth as well. I'd look to add a good vet via fa.

I started a thread a while ago, but I'd personally move Cush outside and let brooks reed go or trade him or whatever.

But I think we need another really good corner. I think solid safeties can be had, but our corners/DB's as a whole are right up there with the worst part of the defense because of the money tied up into them and the production.

Corrosion 11-04-2013 04:02 PM

Re: First Mock2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rey (Post 2242987)
I think corner is a much higher priority than ilb. Joseph and McCain suck and don't even make many plays anymore. I think mays has been ok and I'd bring him back next year. I'd keep sharpton as depth as well. I'd look to add a good vet via fa.

I started a thread a while ago, but I'd personally move Cush outside and let brooks reed go or trade him or whatever.

But I think we need another really good corner. I think solid safeties can be had, but our corners/DB's as a whole are right up there with the worst part of the defense because of the money tied up into them and the production.

I'd like to replace JJo too .... but damn there are just so many holes on this team you cant fill them all in one draft.


I'd cut the following - JJo , OD , Schaub and Manning.

Might try and resign Ninja .... to avoid another hole to fill.


Some of these holes you try to fill via FA - where are you likely to get a better CB , the draft or FA ? I don't think this draft is all that deep at corner. Probably better off in FA.

This is all assuming Keenum is the long term answer at QB .... either way , I think you are looking at 2015 before you are a real contender again because of all the dead money and young players with a steep learning curve.

steelbtexan 11-04-2013 04:06 PM

Re: First Mock2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Corrosion (Post 2242815)
Alright , after last nights game against the Dolts , I'm sold on Keenum at least for the duration of this season. With that in mind , I'm taking QB off the top of the list (for now).


1) FSU OT Cameron Erving - Big , Fast , Nasty. Clemson's Vic Beasley was shut down by Erving. Beasley came into the game leading the nation in sacks.
Erving has the foot speed to block at the second level. Good fit for this scheme. (Im assuming Matthews and Lewan are gone)

2) FSU ILB Christian Jones. - He may go earlier but most sources have him rated as a second round selection now. Cushing needs some help inside. Jones is a dynamic ILB. If he's gone Tennessee's AJ Johnson and UConn's Yawin Smallwood are in the conversation.

3) Washington NT Danny Shelton 6'1" 330 .... finally a tree stump in the middle that can get some push.

4) North Carolina FS Tre Boston - Ed Reed is stealing right now , he wont be back. Depth on the back end will be important.

5) Georgia TE Arthur Lynch - OD costs too much. Lynch is a strong blocker and reliable pass catcher.

6) Notre Dame CB Bennett Jackson - You can never have enough corners.

7) West Texas A&M DE/OLB Ethan Westbrooks - Classic tweener pass rush project.

Like your mock draft.

The only thing I would do differently be draft Carrethers in the 2nd and Skov in the 3rd. BB turned me onto Carrethers, the former wrestling champ looks like he was made to play NT.

76Texan 11-04-2013 04:34 PM

Re: First Mock2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rey (Post 2242987)
I think corner is a much higher priority than ilb. Joseph and McCain suck and don't even make many plays anymore. I think mays has been ok and I'd bring him back next year. I'd keep sharpton as depth as well. I'd look to add a good vet via fa.

I'd like to see some Bouye to find out what he's got.

Corrosion 11-04-2013 04:50 PM

Re: First Mock2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by steelbtexan (Post 2242997)
Like your mock draft.

The only thing I would do differently be draft Carrethers in the 2nd and Skov in the 3rd. BB turned me onto Carrethers, the former wrestling champ looks like he was made to play NT.

I couldn't complain about that , almost went with both of them. As long as I get Cameron Erving with the #1 and hit NT/ILB with the next two picks I think its a strong draft.

badboy 11-04-2013 04:52 PM

Re: First Mock2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by steelbtexan (Post 2242997)
Like your mock draft.

The only thing I would do differently be draft Carrethers in the 2nd and Skov in the 3rd. BB turned me onto Carrethers, the former wrestling champ looks like he was made to play NT.

FYI, Carrethers had another 9 tackles against South Alabama new total 63 with 3.5 sacks. How about placing him next to Tuitt replacing Ninja? Stephon Tuitt is recovering nicely from 2012 groin injury 6'7 322 (but should reduce to about 312). His 2013 stats in 8 games 29 tackles 5 sacks 9 hurries. DE and DT
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...l-draft/page/7

http://www.sacbee.com/2013/10/24/584...be-in-the.html

Corrosion 11-04-2013 04:55 PM

Re: First Mock2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by badboy (Post 2243015)
FYI, Carrethers had another 9 tackles against South Alabama new total 63 with 3.5 sacks. How about placing him next to Tuitt replacing Ninja? Stephon Tuitt is recovering nicely from 2012 groin injury 6'7 322 (but should reduce to about 312). His 2013 stats in 8 games 29 tackles 5 sacks 9 hurries. DE and DT
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...l-draft/page/7

http://www.sacbee.com/2013/10/24/584...be-in-the.html

I just cant see replacing two DL in one draft when there are so many other holes .... Try to resign Ninja for a reasonable deal and fix some of the other issues , Ninja hasn't been part of the problem.

Honoring Earl 34 11-04-2013 05:45 PM

Re: First Mock2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Corrosion (Post 2242815)
Alright , after last nights game against the Dolts , I'm sold on Keenum at least for the duration of this season. With that in mind , I'm taking QB off the top of the list (for now).


1) FSU OT Cameron Erving - Big , Fast , Nasty. Clemson's Vic Beasley was shut down by Erving. Beasley came into the game leading the nation in sacks.
Erving has the foot speed to block at the second level. Good fit for this scheme. (Im assuming Matthews and Lewan are gone)

2) FSU ILB Christian Jones. - He may go earlier but most sources have him rated as a second round selection now. Cushing needs some help inside. Jones is a dynamic ILB. If he's gone Tennessee's AJ Johnson and UConn's Yawin Smallwood are in the conversation.

3) Washington NT Danny Shelton 6'1" 330 .... finally a tree stump in the middle that can get some push.

4) North Carolina FS Tre Boston - Ed Reed is stealing right now , he wont be back. Depth on the back end will be important.

5) Georgia TE Arthur Lynch - OD costs too much. Lynch is a strong blocker and reliable pass catcher.

6) Notre Dame CB Bennett Jackson - You can never have enough corners.

7) West Texas A&M DE/OLB Ethan Westbrooks - Classic tweener pass rush project.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rey (Post 2242987)
I think corner is a much higher priority than ilb. Joseph and McCain suck and don't even make many plays anymore. I think mays has been ok and I'd bring him back next year. I'd keep sharpton as depth as well. I'd look to add a good vet via fa.

I started a thread a while ago, but I'd personally move Cush outside and let brooks reed go or trade him or whatever.

But I think we need another really good corner. I think solid safeties can be had, but our corners/DB's as a whole are right up there with the worst part of the defense because of the money tied up into them and the production.

I like the draft and agree with the needs . Here's the BUT , I want the Texans to drop the ZBS and on defense , go back to a 4-3 . Your draft would still work because I would put Cushing at OLB , we need a RT , S , CB , and a big TE .

steelbtexan 11-04-2013 05:50 PM

Re: First Mock2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Corrosion (Post 2243019)
I just cant see replacing two DL in one draft when there are so many other holes .... Try to resign Ninja for a reasonable deal and fix some of the other issues , Ninja hasn't been part of the problem.

The Panthers were in the same situation as the Texans are last yr. They drafted Star and Short with their first 2 picks and look at the improvement this yr on defense.

I do agree with you and really like Erving alot though.

Honoring Earl 34 11-04-2013 06:04 PM

Re: First Mock2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by steelbtexan (Post 2243068)
The Panthers were in the same situation as the Texans are last yr. They drafted Star and Short with their first 2 picks and look at the improvement this yr on defense.

I do agree with you and really like Erving alot though.

It's all up in the air because the way the seasons going , it will be someone else's choice and what scheme they run .

Corrosion 11-04-2013 07:01 PM

Re: First Mock2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Honoring Earl 34 (Post 2243083)
It's all up in the air because the way the seasons going , it will be someone else's choice and what scheme they run .

I don't know about that .... Kubiak & Co may well be back given the circumstances. Pending his health of course.

Despite the record:

The defense is #1 in the league , however misleading that stat may be.

The offense is top ~7 with a UDFA QB starting two games and a guy they expected to perform reasonably well falling apart at the seams.

Honoring Earl 34 11-04-2013 07:06 PM

Re: First Mock2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Corrosion (Post 2243104)
I don't know about that .... Kubiak & Co may well be back given the circumstances. Pending his health of course.

Despite the record:

The defense is #1 in the league , however misleading that stat may be.

The offense is top ~7 with a UDFA QB starting two games and a guy they expected to perform reasonably well falling apart at the seams.

The three damning stats are ,

1. 2-6 record
2. 146 points scored
3. 221 points allowed

I wouldn't be surprised by anything Bob would do or not do .

Texian 11-04-2013 07:31 PM

Re: First Mock2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Corrosion (Post 2243019)
I just cant see replacing two DL in one draft when there are so many other holes .... Try to resign Ninja for a reasonable deal and fix some of the other issues , Ninja hasn't been part of the problem.

Based 32 yr olds Freeney and Redding signed for $4 million a yr plus last year expect that for Ninja and that will leave you approx $3-$4 mil to sign the other 14 contracts needed to fill out the roster. If you also re-sign Mitchell you're about out of money and still have to sign 13 players. And people say the Texans don't have salary cap problems.

mussop 11-04-2013 08:52 PM

Re: First Mock2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 76Texan (Post 2243004)
I'd like to see some Bouye to find out what he's got.

Me too. Was super dissapointed when he went down.

leebigeztx 11-04-2013 09:18 PM

Re: First Mock2014
 
I'm still evaluating keenum and right now he's earned the right to compete for the job next year. I'm not taking a qb high off the list. Plus, after 4 games,we will see dc's start to force him to his left and start making him throw the ball from the pocket. We know if kubes is fired,the new guy is gonna want his own guy.


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