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thunderkyss 11-03-2013 09:23 PM

Case Keenum vs Andrew Luck
 
I tried this a few weeks back, didn't go over to well. But Andrew Luck has yet to impress me. Like Schaub, he needs every part of his team to be working extremely well to keep it close & give them a chance.

Today is not that day. We've got problems of our own, nuy keenum is shining like a mother.

Two games into it, what do you think? Case Keenum or Andrew Luck?

stingray 11-03-2013 09:38 PM

Re: Case Keenum vs Andrew Luck
 
I have seen Luck play several games now and he isnt the most accurate qb out there. Hes athletic and can make plays but the ball sails on him quite a bit. I would still take luck because kernums sample size us still too small.

EllisUnit 11-03-2013 09:44 PM

Re: Case Keenum vs Andrew Luck
 
Well it looks like Luck needs that star WR all the time to be an elite QB, and Elite QBs usually make everyone else look good, still its only his 2nd start but hell yeah i'd take UH home grown underdog case over luck ;)

Rey 11-03-2013 09:45 PM

Re: Case Keenum vs Andrew Luck
 
I don't think luck is in all that great a system.

I don't even know what the hell the colts do. They have a suspect running game. Their play action sucks. Their receivers aren't all that great.

I think if luck were here in another system he'd be better. I think the colts either need a better offensive system or luck has to take his game to another level. He has to become a better passer.

That didn't answer your question, but I really believe the situations players find themselves in can really hurt them or really help them.

I think if Schaub would have gotten traded to the dolphins instead of us, he might be out of the league already. Don't think he'd have made any pro bowls or really be thought of as anything close to special.

I think that there are few players that just shine regardless of situation.

MEGA SWATT 11-03-2013 09:45 PM

Re: Case Keenum vs Andrew Luck
 
In Case (Keenum) you missed this earlier.........

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Originally Posted by Carr Bombed (Post 2238882)
I am going to LMAO when a UDFA outplays the #1 ovrl pick at his position from his draft class on Sunday night football in front of the entire country. :)

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Originally Posted by MEGA SWATT (Post 2239166)
Msr

case :doot:

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Originally Posted by Vance87 (Post 2239168)
Let's just say if that happens I'd have to change my shorts.

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Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 2239170)
Let's just say... you better have an extra pair handy.


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2slik4u 11-03-2013 09:53 PM

Re: Case Keenum vs Andrew Luck
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 2241609)
I tried this a few weeks back, didn't go over to well. But Andrew Luck has yet to impress me. Like Schaub, he needs every part of his team to be working extremely well to keep it close & give them a chance.

Today is not that day. We've got problems of our own, nuy keenum is shining like a mother.

Two games into it, what do you think? Case Keenum or Andrew Luck?

As impressive as keenum is playing, I'm still going to need a larger sample size to give the edge to keenum.

Luck is still better with a higher ceiling in my opinion. Bring this debate up at the end of the season and my answer may change.

The guy has only played a game in a half.

cstyle42 11-03-2013 10:06 PM

Re: Case Keenum vs Andrew Luck
 
This sorry kicker is killing us

ArlingtonTexan 11-03-2013 10:14 PM

Re: Case Keenum vs Andrew Luck
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rey (Post 2241691)
I don't think luck is in all that great a system.

I don't even know what the hell the colts do. They have a suspect running game. Their play action sucks. Their receivers aren't all that great.

I think if luck were here in another system he'd be better. I think the colts either need a better offensive system or luck has to take his game to another level. He has to become a better passer.

That didn't answer your question, but I really believe the situations players find themselves in can really hurt them or really help them.

I think if Schaub would have gotten traded to the dolphins instead of us, he might be out of the league already. Don't think he'd have made any pro bowls or really be thought of as anything close to special.

I think that there are few players that just shine regardless of situation.

The only disagreement I have with you is that Luck was/is supposed to be a player where system does not matter. if he needs a better system then he is overrated a little bit.

To the broader topic, a rookie dropping 11 wins and a playoff appearance is unimpressive or him leading a victory over the undefeated Broncos in his last game is no big deal. 9 game winning drives in a year and half.

ESPN's total QBR ranks him as 5th going into the weekend (traditional ranking 13th)


http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr

Rey 11-03-2013 10:18 PM

Re: Case Keenum vs Andrew Luck
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ArlingtonTexan (Post 2241856)
The only disagreement I have with you is that Luck was/is supposed to be a player where system does not matter. if he needs a better system then he is overrated a little bit.

To the broader topic, a rookie dropping 11 wins and a playoff appearance is unimpressive or him leading a victory over the undefeated Broncos in his last game is no big deal. 9 game winning drives in a year and half.

ESPN's total QBR ranks him as 5th going into the weekend (traditional ranking 13th)


http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr

Right and that's my hesitancy with the emotional luck sucks keenum is great notion.

I think keenum is good. If he grows and gets better he could be really good. Great even.

But I think luck is damn good in a system that is pretty basic.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS 11-03-2013 10:46 PM

Re: Case Keenum vs Andrew Luck
 
Did you really compare Luck to Schaub? How does that foot taste?

EllisUnit 11-03-2013 10:47 PM

Re: Case Keenum vs Andrew Luck
 
i know Case should of spiked the damn ball, he waisted like 10 seconds. Damn this was a heart breaking loss, I think this loss might show how valuble Kubiak is to this team, we could clearly see the difference in play calling after half time.

cdollaz 11-03-2013 10:48 PM

Re: Case Keenum vs Andrew Luck
 
Silliness.

ArlingtonTexan 11-03-2013 10:49 PM

Re: Case Keenum vs Andrew Luck
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ArlingtonTexan (Post 2241856)
The only disagreement I have with you is that Luck was/is supposed to be a player where system does not matter. if he needs a better system then he is overrated a little bit.

To the broader topic, a rookie dropping 11 wins and a playoff appearance is unimpressive or him leading a victory over the undefeated Broncos in his last game is no big deal. 9 game winning drives in a year and half.

ESPN's total QBR ranks him as 5th going into the weekend (traditional ranking 13th)


http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr

oops make that 10 game winning 4th/overtime drives

aussie_texan 11-03-2013 10:54 PM

Re: Case Keenum vs Andrew Luck
 
cmon are you guys serious. massive homerism coming out now. luck is already a top 12 QB in the league and its his second year. his going to be the best QB in a few years time. the smarts he has is incredible at his age. oh he isn't 100% accurate again its his second year give the guy time.

your comparing him to a guy who has 2 starts in the NFL. c'mon really.

I love Keenum but lets not have this debate till the end of the season at minimum. this is a non issue at the moment.

10 come from behind wins so far in his career is another awesome stat

legacy_gt 11-03-2013 10:57 PM

Re: Case Keenum vs Andrew Luck
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aussie_texan (Post 2242174)
cmon are you guys serious. massive homerism coming out now. luck is already a top 12 QB in the league and its his second year. his going to be the best QB in a few years time. the smarts he has is incredible at his age. oh he isn't 100% accurate again its his second year give the guy time.

your comparing him to a guy who has 2 starts in the NFL. c'mon really.

I love Keenum but lets not have this debate till the end of the season at minimum. this is a non issue at the moment.

10 come from behind wins so far in his career is another awesome stat

yep, I wished we had a kicker like the colts do.

TexansBull 11-03-2013 10:59 PM

I say Keenum won performance wise. But still a lost.

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eriadoc 11-03-2013 11:03 PM

Re: Case Keenum vs Andrew Luck
 
I've openly ridiculed TKyss for his stance on Luck before and nothing that happened tonight makes me want to back off at all. But that has nothing to do with Keenum. They are at different points in their career in different systems with different traits. I'd take Luck in a heartbeat, and I'm a UH homer. But since I can't have Luck, give me Keenum. Let the man keep slinging it while he figures things out and I'll watch him grow.

Oh, and in Case I wasn't clear, TKyss - your stance on Luck pretty well invalidates just about every football take you have, in my eyes. But I still think you're OK. :)

legacy_gt 11-03-2013 11:03 PM

Re: Case Keenum vs Andrew Luck
 
not a fair comparison with case only having 2 games. I saw the improvement today against the blitz and case's long ball looked great.

76Texan 11-03-2013 11:07 PM

Re: Case Keenum vs Andrew Luck
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aussie_texan (Post 2242174)
cmon are you guys serious. massive homerism coming out now. luck is already a top 12 QB in the league and its his second year. his going to be the best QB in a few years time. the smarts he has is incredible at his age. oh he isn't 100% accurate again its his second year give the guy time.

your comparing him to a guy who has 2 starts in the NFL. c'mon really.

I love Keenum but lets not have this debate till the end of the season at minimum. this is a non issue at the moment.

10 come from behind wins so far in his career is another awesome stat

What about them people who started comparing Luck with Manning even before before he played a single down in the NFL?

Hervoyel 11-03-2013 11:08 PM

Re: Case Keenum vs Andrew Luck
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EllisUnit (Post 2242131)
i know Case should of spiked the damn ball, he waisted like 10 seconds. Damn this was a heart breaking loss, I think this loss might show how valuble Kubiak is to this team, we could clearly see the difference in play calling after half time.

Has Dennison ever even called a game here since coming to replace Shanny's boy? I've always wondered what it is exactly that he does and never could figure it out. Either way we were kind of off in the second half but I thought we still moved the ball well. We were just very conservative at points during those drives and we didn't finish drives. Making it worse our worthless kicker left 9 points on the field tonight which was more than the margin of victory.

Basically Randy Bullock finally cost us a game. Get used to that happening if he stays. He's missed 8 FG's in 8 weeks. Unreal.


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