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IlliniJen 10-28-2013 10:12 AM

Is Marciano still around? Accountability!
 
Marciano is still the special teams coach. Huh.

He puts the capital "S" in "special." I guess you can release 3 players for violating "team rules" and get that whole "well, we showed 'em!" out of your system when it comes to holding people accountable.

Anyone else think that keeping Marciano is indicative of McNair's inability to pull the trigger until it's 2-3 years too late? Anyone think that keeping Marciano around just means in the bigger picture that Kubiak is coming back next year? After all, McNair can justify his decision by vaguely citing "injuries to key players."

Even if it's a "dumb" decision to get rid of a coach halfway during a season, even if the coach is the most useless bag of football flesh this side of Blaine Gabbert, it's one of those messages that should be sent. Cutting non-suited up players just isn't impactful.

More of that highly successful "playing not to lose" mentality that seems to be spread to every corner of this franchise. I hope we can get that stench out of the curtains when Kubiak is finally gone in 5-10 years.

DBCooper 10-28-2013 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by IlliniJen (Post 2238716)
Marciano is still the special teams coach. Huh.

He puts the capital "S" in "special." I guess you can release 3 players for violating "team rules" and get that whole "well, we showed 'em!" out of your system when it comes to holding people accountable.

Anyone else think that keeping Marciano is indicative of McNair's inability to pull the trigger until it's 2-3 years too late? Anyone think that keeping Marciano around just means in the bigger picture that Kubiak is coming back next year? After all, McNair can justify his decision by vaguely citing "injuries to key players."

Even if it's a "dumb" decision to get rid of a coach halfway during a season, even if the coach is the most useless bag of football flesh this side of Blaine Gabbert, it's one of those messages that should be sent. Cutting non-suited up players just isn't impactful.

More of that highly successful "playing not to lose" mentality that seems to be spread to every corner of this franchise. I hope we can get that stench out of the curtains when Kubiak is finally gone in 5-10 years.

You need to go fishing, Jen

BigBull17 10-28-2013 10:48 AM

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Richard Smith was a dumpster fire at DC. Stayed too long. Frank Bush was maybe the worst DC in NFL history, stayed WAY too long. Marciano was average at first but now is on a whole new level of ****ty, still here. He'll be the space goat in the off season as a way to justify bringing Gary back. Unless Gary bottoms out this year and next, no way we ever fire him. It's a very sad time right now.

TheIronDuke 10-28-2013 10:58 AM

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Maybe Marciano just needs another ST assistant coach to really get his unit to the next level. :kubepalm:

eriadoc 10-28-2013 11:06 AM

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Even when at least one of the players released was a special teams player. ;)

disaacks3 10-28-2013 11:48 AM

Re: Is Marciano still around? Accountability!
 
Through WK 7 -

#6 in KR avg. allowed
#4 in PR avg. allowed

One of only 5 teams to give up a PR TD.

VS.

#10 in KR avg FOR

#29 in PR avg FOR

Of course, that doesn't account for our KR giving up a TD to the other guys.

:kubepalm:

No excuse for not canning Marciano LAST year. Sure, he's a nice guy, but that doesn't win games (and least not for Houston teams).

thunderkyss 10-28-2013 04:26 PM

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From where we are it looks like the Texans have ample reasons to part ways with Marciano. The fact that he's still here points to the possibility that we don't know the full story.

I'm as dumbfounded as the rest of you, but continually calling for Marciano's head doesn't really do anything. If Kubiak were to fire Marciano now, or in the offseason, would that make anyone change their opinion of Kubiak? Would anyone be looking forward to 5 more years of Kubiak because he's gone?

I doubt it. If Marciano is one of those things that will eventually add up to Kubiak's firing & you want Kubiak gone, keeping him around is a good thing. Imagine what would have happened if Kubiak refused to fire Frank Bush & hire Wade?

Double Barrel 10-28-2013 04:33 PM

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Three players were cut because they violated team rules.

Apparently, trotting out a crappy unit year after year is not against team rules. Interesting. :thinking:

thunderkyss 10-28-2013 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord Bills (Post 2238982)
can somebody tell me if there's any truth to Marciano having some kind of personal non football business relationship with mcnair?

Ive read it a lot in comments sections in the chronicle and ive heard it mentioned several times by the 790 guys.

If its true, it can explain why Marciano despite his horrible tenure as coach, is basically bullet proof.

If it were true he'd have been promoted to a less harmful position, VP of parking lot attendance or something.

Rey 10-28-2013 05:19 PM

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I don't understand how a special teams unit is so bad for multiple years. Doesn't make a lot of sense.

There isn't a ton of scheming going on. It's fairly repetitive stuff. Special teams isn't like offense or defense where you have to learn plays and study what your opponent does for hours.

It's mostly about discipline, ability and effort. It's not like the opposing special teams are fooling them.

There is a problem in the link somewhere. Marciano's special teams haven't been this bad. Honestly, I would pin this on the head coach and the team overall. Bad teams tend to have problems everywhere. Or else they wouldn't be that bad.

Marciano knows special teams. He has a special teams assistant that I'm pretty sure knows special teams. I can't imagine that he's not telling these guys the right things to do.

thunderkyss 10-28-2013 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rey (Post 2239006)
There is a problem in the link somewhere. Marciano's special teams haven't been this bad. Honestly, I would pin this on the head coach and the team overall. Bad teams tend to have problems everywhere. Or else they wouldn't be that bad.

Marciano knows special teams. He has a special teams assistant that I'm pretty sure knows special teams. I can't imagine that he's not telling these guys the right things to do.

I was thinking the same thing. Maybe there's a "second class citizen" thing going on with Special Teams, where those guys aren't "looking" for an opportunity to do something.... so you have three special teams player not giving a damn about losing that opportunity.

Just a theory.

Wolf 10-28-2013 06:42 PM

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Marciano hasn't adjusted since the NFL changed the rules

Rey 10-28-2013 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolf (Post 2239037)
Marciano hasn't adjusted since the NFL changed the rules

In what way?

TheIronDuke 10-28-2013 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Rey (Post 2239040)
In what way?

I'm assuming he's talking about the wedge rule.

Rey 10-28-2013 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TheIronDuke (Post 2239044)
I'm assuming he's talking about the wedge rule.

I know some of the rules have changed, but I want to know in what way has he failed to adjust to them.

Lucky 10-28-2013 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBull17 (Post 2238731)
He'll be the space goat in the off season .

I can see Coach Joe as the Space Goat.

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/i/20...rt-d3ehrkj.jpg

Wolf 10-28-2013 07:33 PM

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Yeah seems like after the wedge rule. Things really went down hill.

Just my perception. I migjt be wrong based on stats though

Rey 10-28-2013 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolf (Post 2239053)
Yeah seems like after the wedge rule. Things really went down hill.

Just my perception. I migjt be wrong based on stats though

Was just asking because I wanted to know if there was anything specific you saw.

Wolf 10-28-2013 08:03 PM

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Just seems a lot more undiscipline and we fell to bottom of NFL in prduction. And since moving the kickoff up. I wish we would just kneel the dang thing


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