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ljhog 10-21-2013 11:06 AM

Where did the pass rush go??
 
I've been wondering why we don't get much pressure on opposing QB's these days??

drs23 10-21-2013 11:21 AM

Re: Where did the pass rush go??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ljhog (Post 2235254)
I've been wondering why we don't get much pressure on opposing QB's these days??

Just swagging it here but maybe zero edge rush. Just a guess.

kingtexan 10-21-2013 11:23 AM

Re: Where did the pass rush go??
 
Basically we didn't know it, but our pass rush was JJ Watt, and now they are double and triple teaming him.

dtran04 10-21-2013 11:42 AM

Re: Where did the pass rush go??
 
We don't run overload blitzes to artificially create pressure like the chiefs. The back end doesn't cover short routes very well. QBs generally are able to get it out quick.

Then again, its much more difficult to get a pass rush when you're losing.

Dutchrudder 10-21-2013 11:43 AM

Re: Where did the pass rush go??
 
When was the last time you saw it? Aside from JJ Watt, I haven't seen much since 2011.

hradhak 10-21-2013 11:43 AM

Re: Where did the pass rush go??
 
Brooks Reed and Antonio Smith are playing worse than they did last year. I think that helped Watt put up better numbers.

Mercilus is doing well, but I don't think he's playing up to first round status.

deucetx 10-21-2013 11:53 AM

Re: Where did the pass rush go??
 
Honestly, I don't see it as much of an issue. We get pressure. You're not getting pressure on every single play and honeslty you shouldn't expect to if being realistic. We had about 9 hurries the last game which is an average or slight above amount. But at the same time have to realize who we played and if they even threw the ball. Chiefs like to throw short quick passes or move the pocket to help eliminate the rush. We still put some pressure but need to get there a bit more.

Rams threw it a whopping 16 times
49ers threw it a whopping 13 times
Seahawks - we pressured Wilson 20 freaking times

And so on and so on. We apply pressure. It may not always come from the best angles though that allow the QB to step up or move sideways in the pocket. Things may get worse in this area w/o Cushing as short quick passes will become more available to ends and backs. Not to mention he was the best rushing backer inside.

But when you're getting blown out who is going to throw it unless conservative passing? And when you allow short throws or penalties that shorten the field, etc., then you get a different game.

I'm more concerned with our ability to stop the run and the penalties that keep taking place. Oh and the redzone defense.

Thorn 10-21-2013 11:55 AM

Re: Where did the pass rush go??
 
We're in the 3rd year of the Wade Phillips "curse". Our defense will be terrible this year.

76Texan 10-21-2013 12:15 PM

Re: Where did the pass rush go??
 
I was watching the game with my brother-in-law, and we kept asking each other "why is is that their receivers, TEs, RB get wide open so often"?

The pass rush simply can't get there that quickly.
I haven't look to see how many times we were in zone or why there were empty spots, but that was troubling, for sure.

texanhead08 10-21-2013 01:38 PM

Re: Where did the pass rush go??
 
When you can't stop the run its almost impossible to put heat on the QB because you are so concerned about being gashed up the middle. The key to a great pass rush is to make the offense one dimensional and we haven't done that all year.

Dishman 10-21-2013 01:40 PM

Re: Where did the pass rush go??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Thorn (Post 2235311)
We're in the 3rd year of the Wade Phillips "curse". Our defense will be terrible this year.

What does year 4 look like?

Vinny 10-21-2013 01:46 PM

Re: Where did the pass rush go??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ljhog (Post 2235254)
I've been wondering why we don't get much pressure on opposing QB's these days??

the teams got smart and took JJ away. Nobody else can beat man blocking on a regular basis....there's your formula.

76Texan 10-21-2013 02:06 PM

Re: Where did the pass rush go??
 
I had mentioned Greg Bedard at SI with his weekly column on pass rush.

He hasn't come out with this week report yet, but up to week 6, the Texans still ranked second (behind the Chiefs); they were first before week 5, but slipped a notch.

http://mmqb.si.com/2013/10/17/fletch...essure-week-6/

I will be looking forward to his next installment to combine with what I think I observe on the field.

Even if we disagree with his criteria, it's hard to see a big drop off from second to below par, IMHO.

HOU-TEX 10-21-2013 02:38 PM

Re: Where did the pass rush go??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dishman (Post 2235463)
What does year 4 look like?

He becomes the head coach. :hides:

Tailgate 10-21-2013 02:46 PM

Re: Where did the pass rush go??
 
I will say this... Antonio Smith is a ghost this year. When he was tearing it up next to Mitchell and JJ we could at least cover for a lack of OLB pass rush presense w a monster interior rush.


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