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Mr teX 10-16-2013 01:02 PM

What does Keenum have to do to convince you he's the guy going forward?
 
simple question... b/c at this point its a matter of "if" but "when".

Is it something as simple as just not turning the ball over or making plays?

Or is it specific like a certain stat line or a stat line in conjunction with a few other things?

I kind have mixed feelings about this. I think i'd need to see a combination of great stats and...how kubiak handles him....how he plays when the bright lights are on etc...

BullNation4Life 10-16-2013 01:17 PM

Re: What does Keenum have to do to convince you he's the guy going forward?
 
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Originally Posted by Mr teX (Post 2230821)
simple question... b/c at this point its a matter of "when" not "if".

Is it something as simple as just not turning the ball over or making plays?

Or is it specific like a certain stat line or a stat line in conjunction with a few other things?

I kind have mixed feelings about this. I think i'd need to see a combination of great stats and...how kubiak handles him....how he plays when the bright lights are on etc...

All Keenum has to do is the exact opposite of what Schaub is doing now and I would be satisfied and the Texans would be winning...

HOU-TEX 10-16-2013 01:19 PM

Re: What does Keenum have to do to convince you he's the guy going forward?
 
Apparently....nothing

PapaL 10-16-2013 01:20 PM

Re: What does Keenum have to do to convince you he's the guy going forward?
 
Make a few threads about being given a chance.

Mr teX 10-16-2013 01:22 PM

Re: What does Keenum have to do to convince you he's the guy going forward?
 
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Originally Posted by BullNation4Life (Post 2230835)
All Keenum has to do is the exact opposite of what Schaub is doing now and I would be satisfied and the Texans would be winning...

Blown out in 3 of the last 4 games....you think starting case is gonna fix all those problems that contributed to that?

Carr Bombed 10-16-2013 01:27 PM

Re: What does Keenum have to do to convince you he's the guy going forward?
 
Just maximize and seize his opportunity when it comes. And I don't care about pretty stats (just wins), just don't make the "shoots self in foot" plays the other two have made. Also I would actually like to see some on the field vocal leadership which has never been a strong quality of Schaub or Yates. Basically I'd just like to see he can run this offense and display some moxie/energy while doing so.

Mr teX 10-16-2013 01:30 PM

Re: What does Keenum have to do to convince you he's the guy going forward?
 
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Originally Posted by Carr Bombed (Post 2230853)
Just maximize and seize his opportunity when it comes. And I don't care about pretty stats (just wins), just don't make the "shoots self in foot" plays the other two have made. Also I would actually like to see some on the field vocal leadership which has never been a strong quality of Schaub or Yates. Basically I'd just like to see he can run this offense and display some moxie/energy while doing so.

but what if he does all that, but we still don't win?.....not blowout losses like we've seen lately, but close losses.

Would you still feel like we should continue to develop this kid & he be brought in as the incumbent next year or bring in a 1st rounder to compete with him?

DexmanC 10-16-2013 01:31 PM

Re: What does Keenum have to do to convince you he's the guy going forward?
 
I don't know why the NFL is sleeping on Keenum. The U of H program didn't win any games against big teams under Kolb. Keenum was the QB that brought wins against big schools to U of H. From what I've seen, the kat makes quick decisions, and gets the ball out. When the defense breaks past the o-line, which happened dang near every pass play when Keenum was in college, he had enough quickness, pocket awareness ,and speed to make a positive play. U of H couldn't stop anybody worth a damn, but under Keenum, they put up points on EVERYBODY.

Schaub and Yates can't do that.

2012Champs 10-16-2013 01:35 PM

Re: What does Keenum have to do to convince you he's the guy going forward?
 
What Id like to know is if he starts what would have to happen for the Case crew to fold and say he cant play. I imagine if he gets game time any bad play will be explained away for a million reasons other than Case being Case

GuerillaBlack 10-16-2013 01:36 PM

Re: What does Keenum have to do to convince you he's the guy going forward?
 
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Originally Posted by DexmanC (Post 2230856)
I don't know why the NFL is sleeping on Keenum. The U of H program didn't win any games against big teams under Kolb. Keenum was the QB that brought wins against big schools to U of H. From what I've seen, the kat makes quick decisions, and gets the ball out. When the defense breaks past the o-line, which happened dang near every pass play when Keenum was in college, he had enough quickness, pocket awareness ,and speed to make a positive play. U of H couldn't stop anybody worth a damn, but under Keenum, they put up points on EVERYBODY.

Schaub and Yates can't do that.

They are all sleeping on him. Like Jon Gruden said, he will make coaches sorry that he didn't pick him.

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Originally Posted by 2012Champs (Post 2230861)
What Id like to know is if he starts what would have to happen for the Case crew to fold and say he cant play. I imagine if he gets game time any bad play will be explained away for a million reasons other than Case being Case

He'll be alright. Just be back here to eat your crow.

thunderkyss 10-16-2013 01:38 PM

Re: What does Keenum have to do to convince you he's the guy going forward?
 
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Originally Posted by DexmanC (Post 2230856)
I don't know why the NFL is sleeping on Keenum. The U of H program didn't win any games against big teams under Kolb.

I'm hoping they're afraid he's just a system QB & think he's going to flash from time to time, but fail like Kolb did.

I'm hoping they're wrong, because it fuels that belief that we may very well have a franchise QB on the roster.

b0ng 10-16-2013 01:45 PM

Re: What does Keenum have to do to convince you he's the guy going forward?
 
To prove that he's the guy going forward? Like next franchise QB guy, or stopgap guy? If we are talking the former then we are looking for a player that makes you go "wow" with his plays. Not just manages the games but makes plays. Down the field. Cool under pressure, accurate as hell, has escapability, and is smart with where he goes with the football.

For stopgap the criteria is much much easier. Just don't **** things up too badly.

Mr teX 10-16-2013 01:46 PM

Re: What does Keenum have to do to convince you he's the guy going forward?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DexmanC (Post 2230856)
I don't know why the NFL is sleeping on Keenum. The U of H program didn't win any games against big teams under Kolb. Keenum was the QB that brought wins against big schools to U of H. From what I've seen, the kat makes quick decisions, and gets the ball out. When the defense breaks past the o-line, which happened dang near every pass play when Keenum was in college, he had enough quickness, pocket awareness ,and speed to make a positive play. U of H couldn't stop anybody worth a damn, but under Keenum, they put up points on EVERYBODY.

Schaub and Yates can't do that.

That's not true at all. Kolb led U of H to a few big wins. He also led U of H to a conference championship (something Keenum did not do although he had the chance to his last year there Until Southern Miss sat on them in the championship game) The coogs in his era also put up points on everyone too...that's the benefits of running spread systems. Both guys beat Ok. State when they were ranked. I don't recall either guy beating any other major ranked teams.

Carr Bombed 10-16-2013 01:47 PM

Re: What does Keenum have to do to convince you he's the guy going forward?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 2012Champs (Post 2230861)
What Id like to know is if he starts what would have to happen for the Case crew to fold and say he cant play. I imagine if he gets game time any bad play will be explained away for a million reasons other than Case being Case

You mean like you do for Schaub?

What's with the hate anyways? I mean what makes you a member of the "Case crew"? Im not even a UofH fan, but I do want to see him get a shot. You act like we're putting Tom Brady or Brees on the bench to see him play or something. Newsflash, the crappy play of Schaub and Yates is the only reason why this is even a realistic discussion so if you want to blame someone for the "Case crew", blame them

EllisUnit 10-16-2013 01:51 PM

Re: What does Keenum have to do to convince you he's the guy going forward?
 
I want to see fire, the will to win ! On 3rd and 4 he sees nothing there and he tries to run for it. Or when we're down by 10 in the 4th i want to see a confident QB who is trying to rally the troops on the sideline. Good thing for us is keenum has that desire to win and that fire in him. Noone knows if he can be a franchise QB but he has the will to win and skill set to do it, no better time than now to find out IMO.

Thorn 10-16-2013 01:52 PM

Re: What does Keenum have to do to convince you he's the guy going forward?
 
Unless Keenum comes in and throws for a jillion yards and TDs, you probably won't know if he's starter material after just one game anyway. And if he does come in, he'll be running Kubiaks ultra-conservative game plan. So if Keenum does come in, he just needs to NOT make mistakes and NOT continually throw behind the receivers.

otisbean 10-16-2013 01:54 PM

Re: What does Keenum have to do to convince you he's the guy going forward?
 
Lead touchdown drives, plain and simple. Some guys just have it, they're not always pretty just effective.

Mr teX 10-16-2013 01:59 PM

Re: What does Keenum have to do to convince you he's the guy going forward?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by b0ng (Post 2230869)
To prove that he's the guy going forward? Like next franchise QB guy, or stopgap guy? If we are talking the former then we are looking for a player that makes you go "wow" with his plays. Not just manages the games but makes plays. Down the field. Cool under pressure, accurate as hell, has escapability, and is smart with where he goes with the football.

For stopgap the criteria is much much easier. Just don't **** things up too badly.

we could find a stop gap guy in FA..they're all over the place. People seem to think he can be a franchise guy here...especially running Kubiak's qb friendly system. So i guess i meant more in that aspect.

infantrycak 10-16-2013 02:01 PM

Re: What does Keenum have to do to convince you he's the guy going forward?
 
Let's say he finishes out the season. Would you be happy with the stats of another QB who started in his 2nd year?

W/L 50%, 60.8 % comp., 1:1 TD:INT, 6.2 ypa, 205 ypg, 76.9 QB rating.

Would that be good enough for you to anoint him for next year or would you still be looking for a new starter?

Thorn 10-16-2013 02:04 PM

Re: What does Keenum have to do to convince you he's the guy going forward?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 2230885)
Let's say he finishes out the season. Would you be happy with the stats of another QB who started in his 2nd year?

W/L 50%, 60.8 % comp., 1:1 TD:INT, 6.2 ypa, 205 ypg, 76.9 QB rating.

Would that be good enough for you to anoint him for next year or would you still be looking for a new starter?

This is a trick question, isn't it? I'm not playing because I know you've got something up your sleeve. LOL


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