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kingtexan 10-10-2013 10:12 AM

Gary Kubiak Trade
 
If you could trade Gary for one of these guys, who would you trade for, and why?

House of Pain 10-10-2013 10:19 AM

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I'd want Gruden more than Cowher because Cowher had to have a great playmaking QB to win and Gruden basically had a homeless man playing QB. Cowher worries me in the sense that I dont think he misses the game as much as Gruden. Sumlin is a decent option but I don't know if his system would work in the NFL. Saban is so much of a jerk I don't think it would work well with most players.

Regardless, I would take Gruden or Cowher. Both have shown that they suck at talent evaluation/drafting but are excellent at motivating millionaires, having balls, and knowing their X's and O's. These are the things that make a great HC in the NFL.

Trail.Blazr 10-10-2013 10:19 AM

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Went with Cowher because I think he's proven, has class and commands respect. I like his track record.

Don't know that I want another college coach tryout in the NFL with Sumlin. Certainly think Saban is a not to be trusted D-Bag and Chucky has a style that I don't find appealing.

SCOTTexans 10-10-2013 10:22 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by House of Pain (Post 2226509)
I'd want Gruden more than Cowher because Cowher had to have a great playmaking QB to win and Gruden basically had a homeless man playing QB. Cowher worries me in the sense that I dont think he misses the game as much as Gruden. Sumlin is a decent option but I don't know if his system would work in the NFL. Saban is so much of a jerk I don't think it would work well with most players.

Regardless, I would take Gruden or Cowher. Both have shown that they suck at talent evaluation/drafting but are excellent at motivating millionaires, having balls, and knowing their X's and O's. These are the things that make a great HC in the NFL.

I like Gruden personality but he is a little to crazy for a coach, but he definately has the most passion for the game.

My choice would be Cowher

DX-TEX 10-10-2013 10:24 AM

Re: Gary Kubiak Trade
 
I love fantasy land threads. Fact is: if anything happens to Gary we all know, deep in our hearts, Wade is the new HC.

Thorn 10-10-2013 10:25 AM

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Cower, can't stand Gruden and don't really know the other two that well.

michaelm 10-10-2013 10:28 AM

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I went with Cower. He has a good NFL track record, and has the blue collar persona that I would like the Texans to take on as a team. Hard nosed. Very much a player's coach.


---in no particular order---

Chucky- has a good NFL record as well, but I don't get the sense that he would be fully committed to coaching again. Seems like a player's coach as well, but probably not on the same level as Cower in that regard.

Sabine- great college coach, horrible personality, and I think his act would wear thin quickly with NFL players.

Sumlin- I like him a lot. Hard to say how his style would translate to the NFL, but I get the feeling that his players would run through a raging fire for him. Comes across as being a pretty inspiring guy to me (and I'm Burnt Orange through and through).

Double Barrel 10-10-2013 10:39 AM

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Gruden only put the cake in the oven that Dungy made (Warren Sapp quote). He didn't do much in Tampa after that win.

Cowher I dig, has a great record and ring, but he's been out of the game too long. He's soft now and shows no fire or passion for coaching. If he did, he'd be doing it now.

Saban I don't trust and it's been shown that his expertise is in the college ranks. The NFL chewed him up and spit him out.

Sumlin is the great unknown, like his old QB Keenum. He is intriguing because you can kind of paint your hopes on his blank canvas. But, there is nothing to indicate that he can make in the NFL. He'd be a like a 2006 Kubiak in that regard, however without any of the NFL experience that Kubiak had in his career.

nero THE zero 10-10-2013 10:42 AM

Re: Gary Kubiak Trade
 
I would be perfectly fine with any of the first three for the next HC.

Order of preference would probably be:

Sumlin
Cowher
Gruden

But, I agree with DX-TEX, Wade was the heir apparent from the moment he was hired.

Corrosion 10-10-2013 11:14 AM

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None of the above.
Cowher is happy on TV.
Gruden is over rated , Dungy built that team.
Sumlin ? Man come on , just cause he's an Aggie for the time being ?! ....

I'll stick with Gary over those choices , just give him a quarterback that has more than a BB gun for an arm and isn't cripple.

Uncle Rico 10-10-2013 11:38 AM

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I'd kick the tires on Brian Billick or Tony Dungy.

chicagotexan2 10-10-2013 11:44 AM

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Cowher for me. The guy stresses aggressive defense and likes to run the ball.

Exascor 10-10-2013 11:46 AM

Just curious, why the interest in Sumlin and not Art Briles?

deucetx 10-10-2013 12:00 PM

Re: Gary Kubiak Trade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DX-TEX (Post 2226516)
I love fantasy land threads. Fact is: if anything happens to Gary we all know, deep in our hearts, Wade is the new HC.

Yeah, I agree with DX here. I think it seems pretty apparent that would be the direction.

Porky 10-10-2013 12:05 PM

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I'd take any of those outside of Saban who I dislike more than Kubiak. Between the two, I'd just keep Kubes if that is the choice.

I choose Chucky under the condition that he must retain Wade. While Cowher is known for D, if he came in Wade is toast. I'm fine with the status quo on that side of the ball. I want fresh ideas on offense and I think Chucky brings that in spades.

thunderkyss 10-10-2013 12:07 PM

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I think Gruden & Cowher are pipe dreams & not really even worth considering. At the same time I don't believe Sumlin is destined for the NFL. Not that I don't think he'll succeed, I just don't "feel" like it interests him. Not so much that he'll walk out on A&M. If he's got a contract in place, he's not going anywhere.

I also do not trust Saban. I don't know that he knows why he wasn't successful in the NFL before, so I don't know that he'll be successful in the NFL this time. Pete Carol has surprised me though. But he runs that team like a college program. Which is fine & if he can keep it going, that's great for them. But once they run into some hard-times I'm betting (like sexy rexy) he won't be able to pull them back out.

For the Texans' next head coach, I want someone offensive minded. I'd love for Wade to stay, but I don't want him as a head coach. If he's not good with that, I'd rather lose him than make the mistake of promoting him.

College wise.... I think that Chip Kelly gimmick offense is blowing up in Philly, so I don't want to go that route. If we get a college coach, I want a more traditional, tenured college coach. I don't know any college coaches, so I can't throw out any names. He doesn't need to run a "pro" system, as long as the focus is on ball control & efficiency.

Pro wise, I really like what's going on in Denver. I know a lot of that is Peyton Manning, but from top to bottom they're getting it done on offense. Everyone is on the same page & they're running like a well oiled machine. Missing their LT & Center, spreading the ball around very well, & Knoeshawn (sp) Moreno almost looks lilke a RB. I'd like to at least sit down with McCoy, pick his brain & find out how involved he is in what's going on there.

While I would prefer an offensive mind, I would be opened to Dan Quinn, Seattle defensive coordinator, especially if we lose Wade.

Hervoyel 10-10-2013 12:20 PM

Re: Gary Kubiak Trade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by michaelm (Post 2226521)
I went with Cower. He has a good NFL track record, and has the blue collar persona that I would like the Texans to take on as a team. Hard nosed. Very much a player's coach.


---in no particular order---

Chucky- has a good NFL record as well, but I don't get the sense that he would be fully committed to coaching again. Seems like a player's coach as well, but probably not on the same level as Cower in that regard.

Sabine- great college coach, horrible personality, and I think his act would wear thin quickly with NFL players.

Sumlin- I like him a lot. Hard to say how his style would translate to the NFL, but I get the feeling that his players would run through a raging fire for him. Comes across as being a pretty inspiring guy to me (and I'm Burnt Orange through and through).


That's the reason I'd want Cowher. I kind of question whether he'd be that into coaching again just like you do with Gruden. I think any of these guys could have had a coaching job over the last few years if they'd wanted it and if they really had wanted to do it then they'd be coaching right now.

Having said that and assuming the former NFL coaches on this poll would be ready to jump in and commit to the franchise completely I think it's got to be Cowher (in this particular fantasy world). That blue collar persona you mention and the work ethic that goes along with it is, I believe what McNair loves about Kubiak. Kubiak also gives off that "just keep on working harder" kind of vibe but Cowher actually is what Bob thinks he's already got with Gary.

As so many have already said though it's gonna be Wade. When Bob hired Wade I am certain that there was an unspoken tacit agreement that Wade would be in "pole position" should Gary be fired. He's the HC in waiting and we're either going to get him or stumble along for another 5 years with Kubiak. Not sure which fate is worse

Trail.Blazr 10-10-2013 12:21 PM

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why is Cowher considered a pipe dream?

It was my understanding that he got out of coaching for the reasons of having accomplished hoisting the lombardi, now being able to step away, enjoy his family during a time where his daughters(not sure on number of children) were going to college at his alma mater in Raleigh, NC.

other than that, which is a legit reason to take time off of a career.. I would if I could. My daughters are worth more than the glory of my job, even if my job is not as glamorous as the NFL, I think it would hold true no matter, should money be no object.

Anyway, just curious to thoughts on the subject as it's something I hear from time to time.. Cowher won't coach again.

Hervoyel 10-10-2013 12:25 PM

Re: Gary Kubiak Trade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Porky (Post 2226577)
I'd take any of those outside of Saban who I dislike more than Kubiak. Between the two, I'd just keep Kubes if that is the choice.

I choose Chucky under the condition that he must retain Wade. While Cowher is known for D, if he came in Wade is toast. I'm fine with the status quo on that side of the ball. I want fresh ideas on offense and I think Chucky brings that in spades.

I don't know that Wade being "toast" is necessarily a given in that scenario.


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