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EllisUnit 10-06-2013 02:32 PM

Concussions.....
 
Ok i understand that the NFL is trying its best to protect players from concussions and player safety, but here is my problem with this and also with players gripping about how the NFL is not protecting them, along with older players suing the nfl due to side effects years after playing.

If you dont want to risk brain injury while making tons of money playing in the NFL then dont play, go play in the NBA, or get a regular job that has no brain injury hazards.

Noone is forcing these guys to play Pro Football, just like noone forces someone to join the military (unless we have a draft). People know what could happen when they pick their profession so if you are that worried about it then chose another career. And quit turning football into something it's not.

Sorry for the ramble but this crap is ridiculious. When soldiers go off to war they know they have a chance of getting killed, but it is what they choose to do. When football players go out on Sunday and take hard hits, they should of known it was coming it is what they choose to do for a living. Its not like these guys arent paid very well for their job.

So Goodell needs to chill the F out and let football remain football i wont pay to watch flag football and thats where we are headed. IF a player is worried about getting concussions then its simple, they can do something else. Its not like there is a lack of people willing to play the game the way it used to be played for the money these guys make.

The end

TexanSam 10-06-2013 02:40 PM

The NFL wasn't informing the players of the risks concussions posed. The players understand that it's a violent game, but that doesn't mean they should play not fully knowing risks. The league can't purposely keep players in the blind.

EllisUnit 10-06-2013 02:46 PM

Re: Concussions.....
 
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Originally Posted by TexanSam (Post 2222550)
The NFL wasn't informing the players of the risks concussions posed. The players understand that it's a violent game, but that doesn't mean they should play not fully knowing risks. The league can't purposely keep players in the blind.

Its not about that, even though players are now knowing the risks, the NFL is still turning this game we call football into a shell of its former self.

And come on it dont take a rocket scientist to know that a lot of hard hits to the head can cause some major problems.

infantrycak 10-06-2013 04:18 PM

Re: Concussions.....
 
IT IS A GAME/ENTERTAINMENT. Any analogy to being a soldier fails with that simple fact. Another way to look at that is avoidable v. unavoidable.

I disagree with all the flag football complaints to begin with. The players are more athletic than they have ever been and are laying vicious hits all over the field.

thunderkyss 10-06-2013 05:23 PM

Re: Concussions.....
 
The only problem I got with it is when they get it wrong.

I don't understand how "everyone" bought the horse collar thing so easily. You rarely hear any complaints unless it's erroneously called against your team.

The NFL is not saying you can't hit a receiver. Or that you can't run through a defender. Just don't hit the receiver in the head, just don't lower your head to hit a defender.... The game is still just as violent.

Like 'cak said, bigger faster stronger.

eriadoc 10-07-2013 02:02 PM

Re: Concussions.....
 
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Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 2222650)
The NFL is not saying you can't hit a receiver.

Actually, the "defenseless receiver" definition pretty much says exactly that. It's all but absolutely ironclad required that you require the receiver to catch the ball and make a football move before you blast him.

thunderkyss 10-07-2013 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by eriadoc (Post 2224552)
Actually, the "defenseless receiver" definition pretty much says exactly that. It's all but absolutely ironclad required that you require the receiver to catch the ball and make a football move before you blast him.

I don't think so. Just can't hit him above the shoulder. Shilo's hit, in that one game long, long ago was textbook.

You can lay a receiver out, can't hit him in the head, can't lead with your helmet, can't launch yourself into him.

Double Barrel 10-07-2013 05:40 PM

Re: Concussions.....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TexanSam (Post 2222550)
The NFL wasn't informing the players of the risks concussions posed. The players understand that it's a violent game, but that doesn't mean they should play not fully knowing risks. The league can't purposely keep players in the blind.

yep, you hit the nail on the head. The NFL did nothing but cover up studies that showed the effects of multiple concussions for decades:

Quote:

Book: NFL crusaded against science

The National Football League conducted a two-decade campaign to deny a growing body of scientific research that showed a link between playing football and brain damage, according to a new book co-authored by a pair of ESPN investigative reporters.

The book, "League of Denial: The NFL, Concussions and the Battle for Truth," reports that the NFL used its power and resources to discredit independent scientists and their work; that the league cited research data that minimized the dangers of concussions while emphasizing the league's own flawed research; and that league executives employed an aggressive public relations strategy designed to keep the public unaware of what league executives really knew about the effects of playing the game.

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The NFL's whitewash of the debilitating neurological effects of playing football suffered by players began under former commissioner Paul Tagliabue, who left office in 2006, but continued under his successor, current commissioner Roger Goodell, according to the book written by ESPN investigative reporters Mark Fainaru-Wada and Steve Fainaru.

Full story
I'm a fan of the game (obviously), but not so much a fan of corporate malfeasance that is a direct result of greed.

TexanSam 10-08-2013 11:05 AM

Re: Concussions.....
 
Just an FYI, but Frontline's episode on PBS this week is "League of Denial" which is about concussions in the NFL. They should have it available online in the near future as well.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...gue-of-denial/

Double Barrel 10-08-2013 11:09 AM

Re: Concussions.....
 
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Originally Posted by TexanSam (Post 2225106)
Just an FYI, but Frontline's episode on PBS this week is "League of Denial" which is about concussions in the NFL. They should have it available online in the near future as well.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...gue-of-denial/

Thanks for the heads up. I have Frontline scheduled on my DVR, but good to know when to expect this episode.

The NFL fought this story hard, so all the good will spin they've been pushing is obviously a marketing tactic when they try to block anything critical of their active cover-up and denials over the years.

Vinny 10-08-2013 04:56 PM

Re: Concussions.....
 
Here is a clip from the show tonight.

http://deadspin.com/reminder-league-...alflow#replies

paycheck71 10-08-2013 10:06 PM

Re: League of Denial -- Frontline's look into the NFL's Concussion Crisis
 
Watching it now... This is the documentary that the NFL made ESPN pull out of.

b0ng 10-09-2013 10:58 AM

Re: Concussions.....
 
Pretty powerful journalism and yes, the NFL comes out looking absolutely disgusting in this as well as the *******s you hear saying "They knew the risks!"


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