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thetexanator 10-03-2013 08:24 AM

IS USC Better Than TAMU?
 
whys sumlin even considering this? seems like tamu is on par with usc. anyone know what tamu pays sumlin? didnt he just build a huge house?

Rey 10-03-2013 08:30 AM

Re: IS USC Better Than TAMU?
 
He'd probably have a better chance at a nat'l title at USC. I am clueless about the money aspect though.

Recruiting would probably be easier as well.

Texan_Bill 10-03-2013 09:12 AM

Re: IS USC Better Than TAMU?
 
His original contract at TAMU was for around $2 million/ year. Then he received an extension paying him a hair over $ 3 million a year until around 2017 plus bonuses.... IIRC.

Not to worry. He won't be going anywhere until the pros come a callin'!

Texan_Bill 10-03-2013 09:16 AM

Re: IS USC Better Than TAMU?
 
You can view Sumlin's full contract HERE

Ranger Tom 10-03-2013 10:27 AM

Re: IS USC Better Than TAMU?
 
USC is still under sanctions, and I understand that they were a contributing factor to the results that Lane Kiffen got (or maybe he's really that bad). So that's a reason for Sumlin to stay where he is.

Stemp 10-03-2013 11:48 AM

Re: IS USC Better Than TAMU?
 
A&m can match money plus his wife and kids love CS.
USC will be a rebuilding project for whatever coach they hire so they will have to pay big

Once texas money whips Saban for $10M per year it won't matter anyways right longhorns??
:lol:

2012Champs 10-03-2013 12:03 PM

Re: IS USC Better Than TAMU?
 
Is it now? Probably not. Is it a better opportunity? Long term I think so unless the Johhny Football craze leads to a ground swell of recruiting. At a min I would see if A&M would up my money if USC is really poking around

TexansSeminole 10-03-2013 01:18 PM

Re: IS USC Better Than TAMU?
 
USC is definitely a better opportunity and a better program than TAMU. As Rey said, recruiting would a lot easier. When USC is good, they routinely get their pick of some of the best players in the nation.

b0ng 10-03-2013 01:30 PM

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The Pac-12 is a way easier conference to negotiate a NC shot than the SEC. Leaving so soon after what feels like just arriving at TAMU would definitely leave a bad aftertaste in a lot of people's mouths (heh). I think right now Sumlin has just as good of a shot at any offensive player in the country as any other coach. Defense maybe not as much, but he's got his team up there in rankings and exposure for the moment, so I don't see recruiting being a big angle to getting him there.

The easiness of the Pac-10 plus a significant pay bump would probably be the biggest factors if Sumlin were to leave.

htownfan32 10-03-2013 01:38 PM

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Lol, no way is recruiting an answer. Texas A&M is killing it in recruiting, if you haven't looked lately. He built a house here and A&M can probably match him for money. He might milk this for a bigger contract, I guess.

As bong said, the easiness of the Pac-12 is a possible attracting factor.

ChampionTexan 10-03-2013 02:16 PM

Re: IS USC Better Than TAMU?
 
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Originally Posted by b0ng (Post 2221312)
The Pac-12 is a way easier conference to negotiate a NC shot than the SEC.

Quote:

Originally Posted by b0ng (Post 2221312)
The easiness of the Pac-10 plus a significant pay bump would probably be the biggest factors if Sumlin were to leave.

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Originally Posted by htownfan32 (Post 2221317)
As bong said, the easiness of the Pac-12 is a possible attracting factor.

Just for the record, I couldn't disagree with this more. If you're only comparing Pac 12 to SEC, then there is some truth to it (although probably not nearly as much as you seem to think). If you're comparing it to Division I in general, I believe the Pac 12 is rapidly improving and could easily be the second best conference in the NCAA. Oregon's got a track record, and while there's been a coaching change, right now things seem to be going better for their current coach than their former coach. Stanford's been a consistent top 10 team under David Shaw, and you've got UCLA, Washington, and even Arizona State who appear to be very much on the rise.

If ease of conference were the only factor in Sumlin's decision, TAMU loses out to USC big time.

b0ng 10-03-2013 02:30 PM

Re: IS USC Better Than TAMU?
 
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Originally Posted by ChampionTexan (Post 2221352)
Just for the record, I couldn't disagree with this more. If you're only comparing Pac 12 to SEC, then there is some truth to it (although probably not nearly as much as you seem to think). If you're comparing it to Division I in general, I believe the Pac 12 is rapidly improving and could easily be the second best conference in the NCAA. Oregon's got a track record, and while there's been a coaching change, right now things seem to be going better for their current coach than their former coach. Stanford's been a consistent top 10 team under David Shaw, and you've got UCLA, Washington, and even Arizona State who appear to be very much on the rise.

If ease of conference were the only factor in Sumlin's decision, TAMU loses out to USC big time.

Of course it's a comparison between the PAC and the SEC, since those would be the only two conferences being discussed in a potential Sumlin move. And while Oregon looks pretty good and Stanford has a really good defense, that's a far cry from 'Bama/Georgia/LSU/UF (when they are good). Hell, even Ole Miss has a pretty stout team, which you don't see every year.

Texan_Bill 10-03-2013 02:47 PM

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Food for thought, Since USC's last National Championship:

2005 Texas Big XII
2006 Florida SEC
2007 LSU SEC
2008 Florida SEC
2009 Alabama SEC
2010 Auburn SEC
2011 Alabama SEC
2012 Alabama SEC

2012Champs 10-03-2013 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by htownfan32 (Post 2221317)
Lol, no way is recruiting an answer. Texas A&M is killing it in recruiting, if you haven't looked lately. He built a house here and A&M can probably match him for money. He might milk this for a bigger contract, I guess.

As bong said, the easiness of the Pac-12 is a possible attracting factor.


I would think next year post johnny football there will be a dropoff for A&M that is sizable

Hervoyel 10-03-2013 03:05 PM

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I'll enjoy it immensely if Sumlin does decide to bail out of College Station and head for the west coast. I'll be grinning ear to ear over it actually.

I mean, how can you hold it against the man? Coaching at USC is an opportunity to coach at a school that's in rare company. A&M has never and will never be in that tier.

htownfan32 10-03-2013 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 2012Champs (Post 2221377)
I would think next year post johnny football there will be a dropoff for A&M that is sizable

Depends. We do have Kyle Allen (Rivals #1 ranked QB) coming in.
The WR corps will be even better (return of Ricky Seals Jones from medical redshirt) and the defense will have had a year to mature (plus I think we have found our ILB answer in Claiborne). There's going to be a QB dropoff for sure, but how much is the question. As long as we go 1-0 every week it's all good.

The1ApplePie 10-03-2013 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Hervoyel (Post 2221386)
I'll enjoy it immensely if Sumlin does decide to bail out of College Station and head for the west coast. I'll be grinning ear to ear over it actually.

I mean, how can you hold it against the man? Coaching at USC is an opportunity to coach at a school that's in rare company. A&M has never and will never be in tier.

This.

With Summlin, T&M will be the Leach-era Texas Tech of the SEC at best. A great team, but never really at the top of the conference.

Once Manziel bails...

Texan_Bill 10-03-2013 03:12 PM

Re: IS USC Better Than TAMU?
 
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Originally Posted by htownfan32 (Post 2221387)
Depends. We do have Kyle Allen (Rivals #1 ranked pro-style QB) coming in.
The WR corps will be even better (return of Ricky Seals Jones from medical redshirt) and the defense will have had a year to mature (plus I think we have found our ILB answer in Claiborne). There's going to be a QB dropoff for sure, but how much is the question. As long as we go 1-0 every week it's all good.

Also, I think Matt Joeckel is a junior and there is true freshman Kenny Hill.

htownfan32 10-03-2013 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Texan_Bill (Post 2221393)
Also, I think Matt Joeckel is a junior and there is true freshman Kenny Hill.

Yep. Joeckel has looked miles better than Kenny Hill at this point, but I think that's only to be expected.

All the people saying that Texas A&M will never ever break into elite tier football programs boggle my mind. It's like being elite is something that doesn't change. Do "elite" football programs that go through periods of crap stay "elite?" I'm not saying A&M will become elite, I'm saying A&M can become elite. Elite is not some never-changing old guard of schools.

htownfan32 10-03-2013 03:19 PM

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There are three main reasons a coach would leave one top tier program for another. Before I get there, yes I understand that there are folks who think the Texas A&M job is on a lower tier than the USC job. Those folks are dumb and can step off. Back to the three reasons:

1) One school provides something another school cannot.

Whether it's financial or fan support, the coach in question has to feel as if he is unable to get something at one school that the other school can provide. In the case of Bielema, Wisconsin balked at giving him more money to pay his assistants.

So the question for Aggie fans becomes whether Kevin Sumlin feels that USC can offer him something that A&M can't... and for the life of me I can't figure out what it would be. Given our recent fundraising milestones, money really doesn't seem to be an issue. So tell me what, tangibly, can USC provide that A&M can't? And by tangibly, I mean don't say "prestige" or something vague like that.

2) The coach feels a connection to the university.

There's a reason that Michigan had a real shot at getting Les Miles to leave LSU. Les is a Michigan man and he likely has a deep emotional connection to the institution. The same is true for Lane Kiffin... he was connected to USC through his experiences there, so the thought of going "back home" was something that might have appealed to him.

What connection does Kevin Sumlin have to USC? He's from Alabama and played his college ball at Purdue. He has no West Coast connections as far as I know.

3) The coach is looking for an out.

Some situations are just toxic. Scipio Tex over at Barking Carnival gave us a great example (though it might be a bit of an apples to oranges comparison) regarding Bryan Harsin leaving UT. Some situations are just bad, whether it stems from a poor relationship with an AD or getting out before you get fired like Houston Nutt at Arkansas. Sometimes leaving is just the best option. None of that fits for Kevin Sumlin.
http://www.goodbullhunting.com/2013/...e-kiffin-fired


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