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Wolf6151 10-02-2013 09:08 PM

Where to spend the 2014 1st round pick?
 
I tried making up a mock last night but with so many questions surrounding the Texans at QB, with Antonio Smith reaching FA, and major needs at RT, CB, and OLB it's hard to decide where to go. That's 5 needs in the first 2 rounds. Needs in no particular order:

QB, I agree with the consensus opinion that Schaub needs to go but I doubt seriously the Texans will cut him at the end of this season due to the guaranteed money still owed him. And I agree with BB that Keenum is being groomed as his replacement, so I don't think the Texans will spend a 1st on a QB in 2014.

OLB, a stud OLB would free up the team to move Brooks Reed to ILB and kill 2 birds with 1 stone at the same time adding quality and depth to the LB corp as a whole. This would probably give us the biggest pay off in the 1st round.

RT, we desperately need to solidify the RT spot and gain some continuity and depth on the O-line. I had high hopes for Brennan Williams but after micro fracture surgery I doubt he ever plays a snap for us. Will Newton ever get over his injury and become a quality RT or do we replace him. Even if we replace him I don't think the Texans want to use a 1st on the RT spot.

DT/DE, this all depends on if Antonio Smith is re-signed, I sure hope he is, at a team friendly deal lowering his cap hit. I also don't see Jamison or Crick as the Ninja's replacement, neither has the pass rush ability.

CB, we need an upgrade in quality and depth in the secondary so that teams will quit picking on McCain and we need to stock up for the future. CB's take a while to develop so they have to be taken a year or 2 ahead of when you want them to start.

Opinions? Where do you think we spend that 2014 1st round pick, and if you can only fill 2 of these needs in the first 2 rounds, which are they?

NCTexan 10-02-2013 09:13 PM

Re: Where to spend the 2014 1st round pick?
 
DE, I don't think we can afford Antonio after this year unless he accepts a super friendly deal. This needs to be in the top 2.

After that I can't prioritize yet. My first response is RT but I think we won't because of our depth on IR.

Playoffs 10-02-2013 10:40 PM

Re: Where to spend the 2014 1st round pick?
 
QB for me, to watch and learn in Schaub's final year.

Corrosion 10-02-2013 10:54 PM

Re: Where to spend the 2014 1st round pick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Playoffs (Post 2221034)
QB for me, to watch and learn in Schaub's final year.

I honestly don't think Schaub is the QB going into next season .... they have an exit plan in place and I fully expect them to take advantage of it unless he has some miraculous turnaround over the final 3/4 of the season & no less than an appearance in the big game.

This roster is just too damn good everywhere else to let poor play at such an important position ruin its chances.

aussie_texan 10-03-2013 09:46 AM

Re: Where to spend the 2014 1st round pick?
 
im thinking we go CB or ILB. typically we have drafted a replacement for a FA that will gone the year before so im thinking Rick Smith is going to try to keep the ninja as a DE wasnt drafted last year. also i think we have adequate depth at the position in jamison, crick and now montgomery, so even if smith does go i dont think we take one in the first round unless some unbelievable talent falls.

beerlover 10-03-2013 10:21 AM

Re: Where to spend the 2014 1st round pick?
 
BQBA (Best Quarter Back Available). If that means move up in the draft order then so be it. Do Texans need a better QB? Maybe not but from a fans perspective, it's long overdue. This organization has tortured its fan base long enough with average play from the most important position on their beloved football team. C'mon Man! David Carr to Matt Schaub, is that the best you can do? Does that compare to Peyton Manning/Andrew Luck, or Brett Farve/Aaron Rodgers? Makes me sick. Stop treating your fans like ****, get a real QB for a real Football Team, any questions where to spend the 2014 1st rd. draft pick :deadhorse

steelbtexan 10-03-2013 10:53 AM

Re: Where to spend the 2014 1st round pick?
 
I hope they not only pick a QB in the 1st rd but trade back into the 1st rd and pick Van Noy or Shazier.

I really like Barr for the Texans, but he will be long gone by the time the Texans pick.

Late 1st early 2nd rd QB's that could be available are Mettenberger/Murray/Manziel. (The M&M boys)

Playoffs 10-03-2013 11:15 AM

Re: Where to spend the 2014 1st round pick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Corrosion (Post 2221041)
I honestly don't think Schaub is the QB going into next season ....

Even more reason to select a QB.

badboy 10-03-2013 01:05 PM

Re: Where to spend the 2014 1st round pick?
 
Anyone notice that McCarron has dropped to #91 on CBSSports? TBH other than my guy Verrett, I don't see anyone in first round screaming "I am your guy!" Trade down? If Marqise Lee returns from knee sprain healthy he could be BPA.

Wolf6151 10-03-2013 04:30 PM

Re: Where to spend the 2014 1st round pick?
 
What if we went a different route and added Safety to that list of needs. How about Hasean Clinton-Dix-FS from Alabama? Ed Reed could easily be a one and done player for the Texans, Safety is definitely a need, if trying to save some money we could cut Manning (expecting a 1st round pick to start), and everything I've seen/heard/and read says that Clinton-Dix is an elite level Safety. I think he could vastly improve our secondary without waiting a year or 2 for a CB to adjust to the NFL. Worth considering in the 1st?

htownfan32 10-03-2013 05:41 PM

Re: Where to spend the 2014 1st round pick?
 
I really haven't watched as much tape as I should on McCarron, but does anyone really get a vibe that at his very best he's just going to be a step to the side rather than a step up from Matt Schaub? It's a really strange gut feeling I get, and (disclaimer) I have no proof or tape to back that up, but it bothers me for some reason because I have a feeling he will be there when we're picking and our FO is going to be tempted to pick him.

htownfan32 10-03-2013 05:41 PM

Re: Where to spend the 2014 1st round pick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolf6151 (Post 2221450)
What if we went a different route and added Safety to that list of needs. How about Hasean Clinton-Dix-FS from Alabama? Ed Reed could easily be a one and done player for the Texans, Safety is definitely a need, if trying to save some money we could cut Manning (expecting a 1st round pick to start), and everything I've seen/heard/and read says that Clinton-Dix is an elite level Safety. I think he could vastly improve our secondary without waiting a year or 2 for a CB to adjust to the NFL. Worth considering in the 1st?

Ha-Ha Dix is a baller. There might be some red flags given the suspension as of late though.

Playoffs 10-03-2013 10:48 PM

Re: Where to spend the 2014 1st round pick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolf6151 (Post 2221450)
What if we went a different route and added Safety to that list of needs. How about Hasean Clinton-Dix-FS from Alabama? ...

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/sho...67#post2221167

Wolf6151 10-03-2013 11:56 PM

Re: Where to spend the 2014 1st round pick?
 
I heard that Clinton-Dix hired an agent already, it's a really dumb thing to do but at least he's not out killing folks or doing drugs.

WolverineFan 10-04-2013 12:12 AM

Re: Where to spend the 2014 1st round pick?
 
We really need a QB, but Kubiak is not going to move on from Schaub. That's his guy and he'll go down with him.

Since no QB, take BPA.

Corrosion 10-04-2013 02:09 AM

Re: Where to spend the 2014 1st round pick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by badboy (Post 2221291)
Anyone notice that McCarron has dropped to #91 on CBSSports? TBH other than my guy Verrett, I don't see anyone in first round screaming "I am your guy!" Trade down? If Marqise Lee returns from knee sprain healthy he could be BPA.

You can have McCarron .... I'd much rather have Aaron Murray or Tajh Boyd.

They wont be picking high enough for Bridgewater , Mariota or Hundley.


Quote:

Originally Posted by htownfan32 (Post 2221489)
I really haven't watched as much tape as I should on McCarron, but does anyone really get a vibe that at his very best he's just going to be a step to the side rather than a step up from Matt Schaub? It's a really strange gut feeling I get, and (disclaimer) I have no proof or tape to back that up, but it bothers me for some reason because I have a feeling he will be there when we're picking and our FO is going to be tempted to pick him.

I don't at all disagree ... Just think he's a product of the system & talent around him at Bama. And to be quite honest , despite all that talent , that offense isn't very good. (That says a lot about the A&M defense sucking too now doesn't it ?!)

Wolf6151 10-04-2013 04:37 AM

Re: Where to spend the 2014 1st round pick?
 
Well eliminated a couple positions from the above list of possibilities.

Safety, Clinton-Dix is the only guy worthy of a 1st round pick and he went and got himself kicked off the team by hiring an agent. I doubt the Texans go for someone making this kind of bone headed move.

QB, as badly as I want Schaub gone and someone else in his place, if it does happen I think it would be Keenum. I don't think we draft a QB early to replace Schaub.

DE/DT, the more I think about it the more I think Antonio Smith is gone after this season in FA (hate to see him go) and that his replacement is already here, Crick, Montgomery, or Jamison. It will most likely be Crick that gets a year to show that he can replace the Ninja.

OT, I don't see the Texans selecting a RT in the 1st round, maybe in the 2nd but most likely in the 3rd. It's possible but doubtful. I just don't think they value the position that high.

That leaves only OLB or CB. I think OLB offers us the most immediate bang for our buck because of the ability to fix 2 positions with 1 pick by moving Reed to ILB. Filling OLB might also depend on the development of Willie Jefferson who looked so promising in TC. This also seems like a very good year for CB so we might be able to wait until the 2nd to find a future starter and immediate quality depth. CB is a position that I want a stud at so I'd like to get the best one we can even if he doesn't play as a rookie and it's currently at the top of my mock draft.

Other than QB, what's your reasoning for taking another position in the 1st?

aussie_texan 10-04-2013 11:18 PM

Re: Where to spend the 2014 1st round pick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolf6151 (Post 2221697)
Well eliminated a couple positions from the above list of possibilities.

Safety, Clinton-Dix is the only guy worthy of a 1st round pick and he went and got himself kicked off the team by hiring an agent. I doubt the Texans go for someone making this kind of bone headed move.

QB, as badly as I want Schaub gone and someone else in his place, if it does happen I think it would be Keenum. I don't think we draft a QB early to replace Schaub.

DE/DT, the more I think about it the more I think Antonio Smith is gone after this season in FA (hate to see him go) and that his replacement is already here, Crick, Montgomery, or Jamison. It will most likely be Crick that gets a year to show that he can replace the Ninja.

OT, I don't see the Texans selecting a RT in the 1st round, maybe in the 2nd but most likely in the 3rd. It's possible but doubtful. I just don't think they value the position that high.

That leaves only OLB or CB. I think OLB offers us the most immediate bang for our buck because of the ability to fix 2 positions with 1 pick by moving Reed to ILB. Filling OLB might also depend on the development of Willie Jefferson who looked so promising in TC. This also seems like a very good year for CB so we might be able to wait until the 2nd to find a future starter and immediate quality depth. CB is a position that I want a stud at so I'd like to get the best one we can even if he doesn't play as a rookie and it's currently at the top of my mock draft.

Other than QB, what's your reasoning for taking another position in the 1st?

maybe TE. OD's contract is coming up. but i guess GG has been playing well and Ryan Griffen looked really good during pre season so probably doesn't happen.

I think they go CB, because im not convinced that KJ stays after his contract is done, JJoe's cap is getting high and even though his improved game by game this season his still not at his best. and our backups are not top CB material so i think you get a guy now let him sit for a year then starts year 2.

My preference though would be to go ILB, i would love to have a 2 header monster at the Backer position much like the 49ers do.

Also i think its really really really unlikely we go QB, at least for this year maybe next but cant see it happening this year unless we win only 6 games or something like that

Wolf6151 10-05-2013 12:34 AM

Re: Where to spend the 2014 1st round pick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aussie_texan (Post 2222155)
maybe TE. OD's contract is coming up. but i guess GG has been playing well and Ryan Griffen looked really good during pre season so probably doesn't happen.

I think they go CB, because im not convinced that KJ stays after his contract is done, JJoe's cap is getting high and even though his improved game by game this season his still not at his best. and our backups are not top CB material so i think you get a guy now let him sit for a year then starts year 2.

My preference though would be to go ILB, i would love to have a 2 header monster at the Backer position much like the 49ers do.

Also i think its really really really unlikely we go QB, at least for this year maybe next but cant see it happening this year unless we win only 6 games or something like that


TE won't happen in the 1st for the reasons you stated.

I agree with everything you said regarding CB, and agree it should be our 1st round pick. In this modern day pass happy NFL a team really needs 3 starting CB's.

I want that 2 headed monster in the middle as well, but I think it can be Cushing and Reed by drafting a stud OLB thus fixing 2 positions with one pick.

Feel the same about QB, very unlikely unless the bottom just drops out on this season and we've got way to much talent for that to happen.

TexansSeminole 10-05-2013 05:23 AM

Re: Where to spend the 2014 1st round pick?
 
An ILB that will fly up draft boards is Christian Jones out of Florida State. Big, fast and versatile. He can rush from the outside and can run with TEs in coverage. He's perfect for our defense.


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