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revan 09-23-2013 08:20 PM

The real problem is.....
 
The OL

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Even Brady or the all mighty Rodgers couldnt get a pass off with this kind of protection. Rush 4 drop 7....... daaaaaaam.

amazing80 09-23-2013 08:27 PM

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that was 3 plays......sure they contributed but did they throw the pick 6? did they give up a punt return for a td?

The bottom line is Schaub and special teams is our problem.....no oline is perfect, sacks happen....deal with it

revan 09-23-2013 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by amazing80 (Post 2215310)
that was 3 plays......sure they contributed but did they throw the pick 6? did they give up a punt return for a td?

The bottom line is Schaub and special teams is our problem.....no oline is perfect, sacks happen....deal with it

When he got intercepted he had four rushing and seven in coverege. I know he had a bad game and of course I 100% agree that special teams, aside from Lechler is horrible. But this is a 4000 yard passer, give him time to throw and we will get far. Look how bad it went for Rodgers with no run game.

DocBar 09-23-2013 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by revan (Post 2215307)
The OL

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Even Brady or the all mighty Rodgers couldnt get a pass off with this kind of protection. Rush 4 drop 7....... daaaaaaam.

On 2 of those three plays, any somewhat mobile QB like Brady, Rodgers, Manning or Brees would've shifted the pocket or at least had a more productive results. I'm still not certain of whether Schaub or Kubiak is more at fault. Is Kubiak completely shackling Schaub or does Schaub just suck that bad at reading a defense. I kinda lean towards Kubiak being more at fault until I watch video of Schaub.

kingtexan 09-23-2013 08:40 PM

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All I see here is an immobile QB ...

waynegg 09-23-2013 08:42 PM

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Watch the time clock on the top 2. 3 seconds each to connect. Schaub's lead feet just make it look like they aren't doing their job. How much time do you think an offensive line needs to give a professional QB. And heaven forbid Schaub should move...

waynegg 09-23-2013 08:48 PM

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And in the third one Schaub was going for the dirt five yards before Ngata even got to him when he coulda just run to his left, picked him, and made a gain.

kingtexan 09-23-2013 08:50 PM

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Manning is shredding the Oakland defense throwing into double-coverages ... without a starting LT ... and with a four surgery neck and not much mobility. And you are saying our QB isn't the issue? Oh, ok ...

revan 09-23-2013 08:53 PM

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Dayum whats with all the hostility. Im not defending Schaub just showing our weakness at OL. Guess everyone is on the same mindset here of just pointing out the QB.

SchaubApologist 09-23-2013 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by revan (Post 2215313)
When he got intercepted he had four rushing and seven in coverege. I know he had a bad game and of course I 100% agree that special teams, aside from Lechler is horrible. But this is a 4000 yard passer, give him time to throw and we will get far. Look how bad it went for Rodgers with no run game.

A 4000 yard passer doesn't hold the same enamor as it once used to.

Rodgers did not cost his team the game vs Cinci. An untimely fumble did (which Rodgers was no part of)

Schaub had plenty of time yesterday. He gets the happy feet and panics.

kingtexan 09-23-2013 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by revan (Post 2215335)
Dayum whats with all the hostility.

Maybe after the last two games, its your sig ...

SchaubApologist 09-23-2013 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by revan (Post 2215335)
Dayum whats with all the hostility. Im not defending Schaub just showing our weakness at OL. Guess everyone is on the same mindset here of just pointing out the QB.

You're not breaking news here.. We are aware of the OL, but a good QB (which Schaub is paid to be) can overcome/mask a lot of that (which he has not).

htowntexans1985 09-23-2013 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by revan (Post 2215335)
Dayum whats with all the hostility. Im not defending Schaub just showing our weakness at OL. Guess everyone is on the same mindset here of just pointing out the QB.

Honestly this team has issues up and down the board. I just think this laid back demeanor the organization has is ridiculous. No fire from anyone except maybe Cushing and Watt. Hopefully this will be kubiak's last ride.

waynegg 09-23-2013 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by revan (Post 2215335)
Dayum whats with all the hostility. Im not defending Schaub just showing our weakness at OL. Guess everyone is on the same mindset here of just pointing out the QB.

I pointed out that the O Line IS doing its job. Schaub is just so damned slow it looks like they aren't. Again, look at the clocks and see how long his line keeps the defenders off him.

I'm also saying you seem to be making excuses for golden boy instead of seeing it for what it is.

revan 09-23-2013 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kingtexan (Post 2215342)
Maybe after the last two games, its your sig ...

LMAO ok buddy, next time I make one I will be sure to ask you for permission on what you like.

DocBar 09-23-2013 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kingtexan (Post 2215333)
Manning is shredding the Oakland defense throwing into double-coverages ... without a starting LT ... and with a four surgery neck and not much mobility. And you are saying our QB isn't the issue? Oh, ok ...

And he's done it for years with no running game. Of course, his only SB title came when he did have a running game.

thunderkyss 09-23-2013 09:20 PM

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There were times in that game that Flacco's OL didn't perform any better for him. In fact, their first two or three possessions Flacco looked exactly like that.

I saw two problems.
  1. Big Plays
    Not only did they intercept Schaub, they returned it for a TD. Shortly after, they returned a punt for a TD. Our defense was doing it's thing & was holding Flacco & Caldwell in check. Our defense can't stop them from scoring points if they aren't on the field.
  2. Taking chances
    After a few futile attempts to move the ball, the Ravens understood they need to stop settling for what the defense gave them, & take what they wanted. They didn't connect on most of them, but they threw the ball downfield, keeping the defense honest. They got lucky & got a PI call on Kj that was total bunk... but they moved the ball.

There were actually a few other things. Flacco's barking out the snap count picked up 15 yards from off sides calls. The only time I can think of Schaub trying to do that is on 4th & 1 when everyone knows we're not "really" going to go for it. I remember Luck using that in Indy.... totally screwing with the heads of our pass rushers.

Sense of urgency. As well as our defense played, there was a time there late in the third, or early in the 4th, we could not get the Ravens off the field. 3 & outs are great to start the game, but if it's important for the offense to recognize when they need to score, there's got to be a time when the Defense recognizes they need to get off the field & get it done. That didn't happen.

Same thing on offense. We spent 5 minutes dinking & dunking down the field & punted.... what's up with that? We had already given up.

Corrosion 09-23-2013 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DocBar (Post 2215316)
On 2 of those three plays, any somewhat mobile QB like Brady, Rodgers, Manning or Brees would've shifted the pocket or at least had a more productive results. I'm still not certain of whether Schaub or Kubiak is more at fault. Is Kubiak completely shackling Schaub or does Schaub just suck that bad at reading a defense. I kinda lean towards Kubiak being more at fault until I watch video of Schaub.

I kinda lean towards Schaub's inadequacies shackling Kubiak .... Kubiak has shown the ability to get receiver's open while Schaub hasn't shown he can move , throw a dart or hit a guy accurately deep .... even Kevin Walter had to hit the brakes and wait on balls from the noodle armed statue.

Tailgate 09-23-2013 09:30 PM

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Lots of problems... But the CORE problem is the O-line. It is the foundation of the system and this team.

Where is Alex Gibbs these days?

DocBar 09-23-2013 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Corrosion (Post 2215373)
I kinda lean towards Schaub's inadequacies shackling Kubiak .... Kubiak has shown the ability to get receiver's open while Schaub hasn't shown he can move , throw a dart or hit a guy accurately deep .... even Kevin Walter had to hit the brakes and wait on balls from the noodle armed statue.

So you agree that more athletic QB play could lead to better offensive performances? Didn't Yates and Keenum both prove to be more athletic, just as athletic and have a good grasp of the offensive system? What's the big damn deal?


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