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Seegara 09-22-2013 06:40 PM

How improve offense?
 
What needs to be done to fix Texans' Nothing offemse?

Mr teX 09-22-2013 06:51 PM

Re: How improve offense?
 
Kubiak and Wade have peaked, time to look for another HC. If schaub doesnt perform......which most people seem to think would be the case, Schaub would be outta here in favor of the new coaches guy anyway.

ATXtexanfan 09-22-2013 06:57 PM

Re: How improve offense?
 
Fire HC then remove qb

Rey 09-22-2013 07:03 PM

Re: How improve offense?
 
Just give me a new QB.
I think that will spark the team and the fans and give us a new offensive identity.

WolverineFan 09-22-2013 07:04 PM

Re: How improve offense?
 
Schaubiak has held this team back for too long. The problem is the offense has a specific identity (zone blocking, playaction, rollouts, etc.). You get rid of the HC and you're likely starting over on offense. Yes there is talent there, but you will have a new QB and a new offense.

Wade has done wonders with the defense so hopefully he would stay on. The defense has it's own problems (pass rush, man coverage, shredded by good QB's) but the defense is not the problem with this team.

Oh and fire Joe Marciano please.

Trap_Star 09-22-2013 07:05 PM

Re: How improve offense?
 
http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/B...I6vJ7OAbQx.jpg

amazing80 09-22-2013 07:47 PM

Re: How improve offense?
 
Its called adapt to the new NFL. This isn't the 90s anymore The ZBS works, but you need to know its limitations and how to work around them. You need to open the aggression when in the red zone. You have 2 beast wide outs and yet you run 3 straight times and then kick a fg against a team who is good....wtf? The play calling is terrible and the design is over used. Become more creative. For instance, you have 2 elite runners, run shotgun with 2 backs (foster and tate) and make defenses guess where the ball is going. When 2nd and long, throw it deep, EVERY time. Stop being predictable with runs. IDK, you just need to be more creative.

RTP2110 09-22-2013 08:17 PM

Re: How improve offense?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by amazing80 (Post 2214650)
Its called adapt to the new NFL. This isn't the 90s anymore The ZBS works, but you need to know its limitations and how to work around them. You need to open the aggression when in the red zone. You have 2 beast wide outs and yet you run 3 straight times and then kick a fg against a team who is good....wtf? The play calling is terrible and the design is over used. Become more creative. For instance, you have 2 elite runners, run shotgun with 2 backs (foster and tate) and make defenses guess where the ball is going. When 2nd and long, throw it deep, EVERY time. Stop being predictable with runs. IDK, you just need to be more creative.

THIS. And it's why this offense was at it's best with baby Shanny running it.

Tailgate 09-22-2013 08:19 PM

Re: How improve offense?
 
Fix the offensive line and upgrade QB. Nothing else needs to be done.

thunderkyss 09-22-2013 08:49 PM

Re: How improve offense?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Seegara (Post 2214602)
What needs to be done to fix Texans' Nothing offemse?

I think we should continue to do what we're doing.

Before this game, we all had expectations of how it would go. We predicted scores & what not. This game did not go the way some of us expected.

I didn't think we were going to blow out the Ravens. I thought it was going to be a low scoring, ugly game that we would manage to win. I did not factor in a defensive score. I did not expect a special team score. They both happened, & they both happened against us.

Our defense held them to 16 points. Their defense held us to 9 points. That's about what I expected with the way we were playing.

Newton appears to be getting healthier. I know that's difficult to hear when Dumervil & Suggs made him their btch.... but it's Dumervil & Suggs & they make everybody their btch, especially if you're playing from behind.

Foster's ran pretty strong today. I think when Tate's running as well as he had been, Foster tries harder.

I think Posey is looking good. Looks like he's surpassed LeStar as the #4 receiver. Hopefully he can work Martin (who's been looking good lately as well) further down the depth chart.

Hopefully DBrown comes back healthy & ready to play. Hopefully Wade can suck it up & play well for the rest of the season. Hopefully Brandon Brooks continues to play well, hopefully Newton continues to improve.

I still expect this team to be in the top 5 in scoring when it's all said & done, if Kubiak & Matt continue to do what they've been doing.

utahmark 09-22-2013 09:12 PM

Re: How improve offense?
 
Our o-line needs help.

leebigeztx 09-22-2013 10:03 PM

Re: How improve offense?
 
I've said this before,they should be in no huddle, 11 personel either big (andre as the y) or small (martin) as the Y. Graham nor daniels are vertical threats so they should only be on together inside the 10yd line. Otherwise,make teams play nickel and move the ball up and down the field like that. I know he hasn't played great,but I would've drafted geno smith as my q of the future in the 1st and came back to get my wr in the 2nd. They don't have any wr who can step on toes and make the db turn and open up.

waynegg 09-22-2013 10:45 PM

Re: How improve offense?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 2214704)
I still expect this team to be in the top 5 in scoring when it's all said & done, if Kubiak & Matt continue to do what they've been doing.

Are you watching 2012-2013 replays on the NFL network? You are, aren't you? :wadepalm:

thunderkyss 09-22-2013 10:51 PM

Re: How improve offense?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by waynegg (Post 2214825)
Are you watching 2012-2013 replays on the NFL network? You are, aren't you? :wadepalm:

It's week 3.

waynegg 09-22-2013 10:56 PM

Re: How improve offense?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 2214829)
It's week 3.

Through three weeks, Schaub is 85-of-128 passing (66.4 percent) for 838 yards, six TDs, four interceptions (two pick-sixes) and an 87.3 rating. Some of the numbers are solid. Others fall in line with his career track. None are elite. None are Super Bowl worthy. ~ Houston Chronical

Even Matt Schaub knows he's the problem...

“I’ve just got to be better" ~ Matt Schaub

steelbtexan 09-22-2013 10:59 PM

Re: How improve offense?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ATXtexanfan (Post 2214617)
Fire HC then remove qb

^^^^
I've been beating this drum for yrs.

DocBar 09-22-2013 11:31 PM

Re: How improve offense?
 
I'm ready to see some fresh blood at QB. Once the score got out of hand today, I wish Kubiak would've put Yates in and let him rip.

The playbook doesn't need to be rewritten but it does need updated. Kubiak needs to loose the hounds when his back is against the wall and open his playbook up all the way, not just used the dog-eared pages. I didn't vote to replace the offensive coordinator, but maybe I should have. There's way too much talent on this team.

Marciano needs to go. ST's has been in the crapper for a few years.

One thing I hope doesn't happen is that Phillips becomes interim HC this season. That would fit his MO, though, and he has stated many times that he wants to be a HC again.

BullNation4Life 09-22-2013 11:35 PM

Re: How improve offense?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by amazing80 (Post 2214650)
Its called adapt to the new NFL. This isn't the 90s anymore The ZBS works, but you need to know its limitations and how to work around them. You need to open the aggression when in the red zone. You have 2 beast wide outs and yet you run 3 straight times and then kick a fg against a team who is good....wtf? The play calling is terrible and the design is over used. Become more creative. For instance, you have 2 elite runners, run shotgun with 2 backs (foster and tate) and make defenses guess where the ball is going. When 2nd and long, throw it deep, EVERY time. Stop being predictable with runs. IDK, you just need to be more creative.

EXACTLY!!!

Why is it when I watch the Texans, I feel as though I am watch the 97-98 Broncos? all day today, I was making my dad laugh because I wasn't even in the room, he would yell out down and distance the Texans had and I would tell him what play was coming, before it ever was ran. That is how predicable Kubiak's offense is.

Hell even Suggs knew what was coming, they made point of that often in the game....

The game now that is the NFL is passing Kubiak, no check that, the game that now is the NFL is leaving Kubiak's ass in the dust and Kubiak is way too stubborn to see it and adapt...

What worked 15 years ago does not work today, or it only gets you so far...

76Texan 09-22-2013 11:48 PM

Re: How improve offense?
 
The Texans are a team that mix zone blocking with a gap scheme.
The majority of NFL teams also use some form of zone blocking.
Just use google search "team name + zone blocking" and you will come up with a slew of them:
Packers, Giants, Eagles, Cowboys, Redskins, Broncos, Ravens, Raiders, Dolphins, Jaguars, Titans, Seahawks, Chiefs, Cardinals, Saints, Colts, etc.

Read this article, for example:
http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/b...61&src=desktop

When you google for the Steelers, you will come up with an article where some players are wondering why they're not running much of the scheme; it was successful for them in pre-season.

http://triblive.com/mobile/4728878-9...eelers-running


So can we strike out that thought about abandoning the zone scheme please.


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