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Texecutioner 09-21-2013 06:42 PM

Why aren't we trying to find a kicker?
 
So Kubiak is going to roll with this same guy who almost cost us the game last week? Clearly Kubiak is showing that he refuses to learn form previous mistakes in other seasons. He ignored all of the problems Brown was having that one year that cost the Texans games, and wouldn't work out other kickers then. Here we go again. This kicker being on our roster will end up causing us to lose a game or maybe two if we don't find someone else. This kid is green and has only proven that he can't be consistent thus far. We should have lost to the Titans last week, and wouldn't have even been in that position if it wasn't for all those missed kicks.

ThaJokaa 09-21-2013 06:45 PM

Re: Why aren't we trying to find a kicker?
 
He's a rookie, (Technically) He'll be fine

Exascor 09-21-2013 06:46 PM

Discussed at length - http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=101003

BullBlitz 09-21-2013 06:56 PM

Re: Why aren't we trying to find a kicker?
 
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Originally Posted by ThaJokaa (Post 2213370)
He's a rookie, (Technically) He'll be fine

That sums up Kubiak's position pretty well.

He's basically just betting that Bullock will come out of the slump, without knowing whether he will or not. It would be interesting to see how he would react if missed FGs start resulting in losses.

steelbtexan 09-21-2013 07:06 PM

Re: Why aren't we trying to find a kicker?
 
He's an Aggie

Texecutioner 09-21-2013 07:10 PM

Re: Why aren't we trying to find a kicker?
 
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Originally Posted by ThaJokaa (Post 2213370)
He's a rookie, (Technically) He'll be fine

You just start watching football a month ago? Because if your statement suggests that any kicker entering the NFL will be fine once they get out of their "rookie stage" is extremely ignorant from a historical perspective. There is "nothing" that suggests he'll be fine once he isn't a rookie. And even if that were true, you are advocating that his struggles hurting the team "this season" would be perfectly fine because once he isn't a rookie that he'll be okay. We have already had a struggling kicker help to ruin one season on this franchise, and a struggling kicker can easily change who wins the SB.

Showtime100 09-21-2013 07:12 PM

Re: Why aren't we trying to find a kicker?
 
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Originally Posted by BullBlitz (Post 2213375)
That sums up Kubiak's position pretty well.

He's basically just betting that Bullock will come out of the slump, without knowing whether he will or not. It would be interesting to see how he would react if missed FGs start resulting in losses.

Simple, he'll be gone. In the mean time he still is the best they have right now and the Texans are not willing, and I agree, to kneejerk him out of here already. I also believe he's best there is compared to what's available. Too much upside.

If Houston got rid of him he would have a job before the day is out. He's got a great leg.

If this continues in Baltimore and certainly beyond the Baltimore game I'll be ready to cut our losses and bring in George Blanda, but as of right now I think it's too early.

Texecutioner 09-21-2013 07:16 PM

Re: Why aren't we trying to find a kicker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BullBlitz (Post 2213375)
That sums up Kubiak's position pretty well.

He's basically just betting that Bullock will come out of the slump, without knowing whether he will or not. It would be interesting to see how he would react if missed FGs start resulting in losses.

Obviously he doesn't, because when Brown struggled all season and did cause us to lose two games, Kubiak still never tried out other kickers. If one wants to search hard enough, we could probably find the old threads where this was debated like 4 years ago. It would be interesting to see all of the people that were defending Kubiak's lack of action then and to see if it ends up happening again.

Texecutioner 09-21-2013 07:17 PM

Re: Why aren't we trying to find a kicker?
 
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Originally Posted by Showtime100 (Post 2213378)
Simple, he'll be gone. In the mean time he still is the best they have right now and the Texans are not willing, and I agree, to kneejerk him out of here already. I also believe he's best there is compared to what's available. Too much upside.

If Houston got rid of him he would have a job before the day is out. He's got a great leg.

If this continues in Baltimore and certainly beyond the Baltimore game I'll be ready to cut our losses and bring in George Blanda, but as of right now I think it's too early.

If we lost to Baltimore though because of some kick that was missed at the end of the game, that could potentially have us out of the playoffs if we were tied up with a few other teams or fighting for some wild card position. It isn't something you can just blow off. That dude missed a lot of kicks last week. It wasn't just one or two.

Nawzer 09-21-2013 07:23 PM

Re: Why aren't we trying to find a kicker?
 
Are you kidding me?! This is Gary Kubiak we're talking about. This man is so oblivious/loyal that even if one of his player's was the son of Satan he wouldn't cut him. It takes things to get really bad for him to realize something is wrong. And by something wrong I mean like a catastrophic playoff loss.

Showtime100 09-21-2013 07:30 PM

Re: Why aren't we trying to find a kicker?
 
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Originally Posted by Texecutioner (Post 2213380)
If we lost to Baltimore though because of some kick that was missed at the end of the game, that could potentially have us out of the playoffs if we were tied up with a few other teams or fighting for some wild card position. It isn't something you can just blow off. That dude missed a lot of kicks last week. It wasn't just one or two.

I'm with ya brother *fingers crossed*

I just don't know who we would get to replace him. I also wonder if the shorter kicks are giving him the heebies too.

Texecutioner 09-21-2013 07:40 PM

Re: Why aren't we trying to find a kicker?
 
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Originally Posted by Showtime100 (Post 2213384)
I'm with ya brother *fingers crossed*

I just don't know who we would get to replace him. I also wonder if the shorter kicks are giving him the heebies too.

I'd like to be wrong, but that kicker didn't just have a bad day. He had an atrocious day. He had the worst day of all time in Texans history for a kicker. And he hasn't ever proven that he "can" be consistent like Brown had at least in the past before he withered.

mattieuk 09-21-2013 08:01 PM

Re: Why aren't we trying to find a kicker?
 
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Originally Posted by Texecutioner (Post 2213385)
I'd like to be wrong, but that kicker didn't just have a bad day. He had an atrocious day. He had the worst day of all time in Texans history for a kicker. And he hasn't ever proven that he "can" be consistent like Brown had at least in the past before he withered.

I think Bullock will get to stick around until he at least causes a lost game (probably more likely 2 or 3). I'm willing to give him slack like Kubiak is doing, as I wouldn't be comfortable on cutting him on the limited evidence that we have available. He's obviously done enough to have the job in practice, and he did deal with the pressure of a game winning field goal in week 1, and (as should most NFL kickers) has made 85-90% of his kickoffs touchbacks.

Kubiak has stood by struggling kickers before, and I don't have a huge problem with that. I think it is a hard position to change mid-season (perhaps the most difficult). Even trying out other kickers could prove to unsettle the incumbent even more, due to the sporadic, mentally demanding, high pressure nature of a kicker's game involvement. Unfortunately as a kicker a streak of missed field goals will see you out of a job at the pro level pretty quickly.

The final thing to consider is, does Kubiak want to cut another highly touted special teams player, and risk another Trindon Holliday embarrassment? Every time be bring back a return, the announcers mention for the country to listen how the Texans didn't stand behind their guy after a few weeks of the season, and how the Broncos have benefited. There is ever chance that Bullock comes out of his rookie jitter session - and due to the draft pick and time that the Texans have obviously invested in Bullock, I don't think that he'll be getting any knee-jerk release papers.

Potentially comforting fact of the day: Sebastian Janikowski missed 3 of his first 4 NFL field goal attempts, and in his entire rookie year was only asked to make 4 50+ yarders, making only 1 of them.

steelbtexan 09-21-2013 08:05 PM

Re: Why aren't we trying to find a kicker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Showtime100 (Post 2213384)
I'm with ya brother *fingers crossed*

I just don't know who we would get to replace him. I also wonder if the shorter kicks are giving him the heebies too.

Fingers crossed for me too.

Graham/Rackers/Kickalicious are available.

Bulls on Parade 09-21-2013 08:58 PM

Re: Why aren't we trying to find a kicker?
 
Havard Rugland is a free agent?

I'm shocked he didn't make the Lions or Packers roster.

The kid was nails in the pre-season. 3-for-3, including a 50-yarder he drilled with ease. The same distance Randy Bullock apparently can't make.

HouTx11 09-21-2013 09:00 PM

Re: Why aren't we trying to find a kicker?
 
Ok, so in a perfect world Bullock makes all 3 of his field goals, and Rob Bironas makes all of his field goal kicks. End result: Texans win the game by 6 points in regulation instead of by 6 points in OT.

To me, the real problem is: Why are the Texans only winning these games by 3 and 6 points? That is where the real problem lies.

ArlingtonTexan 09-21-2013 09:11 PM

Re: Why aren't we trying to find a kicker?
 
Probably what ever the strange reason why an unproven kicker did not have to beat out a boring veteran option during the pre-season.

Texecutioner 09-21-2013 09:18 PM

Re: Why aren't we trying to find a kicker?
 
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Originally Posted by HouTx11 (Post 2213402)
Ok, so in a perfect world Bullock makes all 3 of his field goals, and Rob Bironas makes all of his field goal kicks. End result: Texans win the game by 6 points in regulation instead of by 6 points in OT.

To me, the real problem is: Why are the Texans only winning these games by 3 and 6 points? That is where the real problem lies.

NFL games are won and lost by kickers all of the time. Every week and by multiple teams. Multiple games every season are won and lost by a kicker. SB's are won and lost by a kicker a lot. No, it is a BIG DEAL. Whether you're killing teams now or not, if you have a very shaky inconsistent kicker that has never proven anything, then yes it's a concern.

HouTx11 09-21-2013 09:29 PM

Re: Why aren't we trying to find a kicker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texecutioner (Post 2213405)
NFL games are won and lost by kickers all of the time. Every week and by multiple teams. Multiple games every season are won and lost by a kicker. SB's are won and lost by a kicker a lot. No, it is a BIG DEAL. Whether you're killing teams now or not, if you have a very shaky inconsistent kicker that has never proven anything, then yes it's a concern.

NFL games are also won and lost by more than just one score. What I am saying is that there are other BIG DEAL concerns on this team other than the kicker, which yes is a concern but I'm not giving up on Bullock yet. It is too early to say that he won't be able to turn it around.

Again, the fact that we are having to rely on the kicker (whoever he is) to win every game so far is also a very BIG DEAL!

/thread

Texecutioner 09-21-2013 09:42 PM

Re: Why aren't we trying to find a kicker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HouTx11 (Post 2213413)
NFL games are also won and lost by more than just one score. What I am saying is that there are other BIG DEAL concerns on this team other than the kicker, which yes is a concern but I'm not giving up on Bullock yet. It is too early to say that he won't be able to turn it around.

Again, the fact that we are having to rely on the kicker (whoever he is) to win every game so far is also a very BIG DEAL!

/thread

That is only a big deal because those games were against the Titans and the Chargers who weren't thought of as good teams before we played them.

Our kicker is currently one of the biggest problems on this team from what I have seen thus far. He cost the team like 9 points last game, and missed the last kick like 3 out of 4 times. That was not just a choke. That was an epic "Ian Howfield" choke. When our kicker was struggling for us last season Kubiak cost us the game against the Jags on Thanksgiving by not going for the first down to get a TD or a really close easy kick and just ran the ball making it a very difficult kick. Our kicker missed the FG and sent the game into OT where the Jags just gave us the game, but Kubiak's decision making cost us that game and we should have lost. Brown struggled all season a few years ago and then missed two game winning FG's the year we went 9-7 and missed the post season. The fact that Kubiak ignored the idea of finding a kicker to try out in mid season cost us a playoff spot. You guys really do like to forget things like this when you like a HC. This is history that shouldn't be forgotten especially when you are already seeing similar problems taking place this early in the season.


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