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CloakNNNdagger 09-12-2013 04:39 PM

Wednesday Injury Report: Texans vs. Titans
 
Strange that the Texans have chosen to leave the standard NFL website format of reporting injury status separately beginning Wednesdays and ending Fridays. In doing so, there is no real way of comparing day-to-day progression without researching the days separately. They have also taken away the ability to flip back to previous weeks to compare injuries......again without researching those other weekly reports separately. If I didn't know better, it would seem that the Texans don't want anyone having it easy to figure out the intricacies of what may be going on with injuries. For those of you that may not remember the old format, here is an example of the 2013 Tennessee Titans Injury Report.

Some notable changes in injury listings reported for the Texans.........

Limited Practice:

Owen Daniels with a "back/groin"
JJ Watt with a "quadriceps"

Full Practice:

Brown with an "ankle"
Keo with an "Achilles"
Mays with an "Achilles"
Meyers with a "back"
Brooks Reed with a "back"
Tate with a "shoulder"

************************************************** **********

The entire new format report:

HOUSTON TEXANS

LIMITED PARTICIPATION
TE Owen Daniels Back/Groin
FS Ed Reed Hip
LG Wade Smith Knee
DE J.J. Watt Quadriceps

FULL PARTICIPATION
LT Duane Brown Ankle
ILB Brian Cushing Knee
RB Arian Foster Calf
TE Garrett Graham Hip
S Shiloh Keo Achilles
ILB Joe Mays Quadriceps
CB Brice McCain Knee
C Chris Myers Back
WR DeVier Posey Achilles
OLB Brooks Reed Back
ILB Darryl Sharpton Concussion
RB Ben Tate Shoulder


TENNESSEE TITANS

DID NOT PARTICIPATE
RB Shonn Greene Knee
P Brett Kern L. Calf
TE David Stewart Calf
WR Damian Williams Hamstring

FULL PARTICIPATION
LB Zaviar Gooden Ankle

ObsiWan 09-12-2013 08:01 PM

Re: Wednesday Injury Report: Texans vs. Titans
 
Speaking of injuries, what did you see from Foster leg), Schaub (foot), and Cushing (knee) that might provide some insight as to how close they are to being back at 100%??

oh and thanks for posting this report.

Corrosion 09-12-2013 09:21 PM

Re: Wednesday Injury Report: Texans vs. Titans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ObsiWan (Post 2208245)
Speaking of injuries, what did you see from Foster leg), Schaub (foot), and Cushing (knee) that might provide some insight as to how close they are to being back at 100%??

oh and thanks for posting this report.

Schaub looked much improved over last season IMO .... Much greater mobility when compared to what we saw at the tail end of last season.



@ Doc ...

The question I have is a simple one: Can we expect this Schaub every week .... or do you expect a medical regression over time with the lisfranc injury ?!?

CloakNNNdagger 09-12-2013 10:37 PM

Re: Wednesday Injury Report: Texans vs. Titans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ObsiWan (Post 2208245)
Speaking of injuries, what did you see from Foster leg), Schaub (foot), and Cushing (knee) that might provide some insight as to how close they are to being back at 100%??

oh and thanks for posting this report.

Foster was going down pretty easily. Certainly, he would be rusty after such a "break" from playing. But getting so little "push" could very well be a function of a sore calf and/or sore back. Also keep in mind that with long "rest" periods come atrophy of and loss of "memory" of muscles of the core and lower extremities that were not even originally injured. Put this on top of the fact he has come off of a high carry season. If his performance does not significantly improve over the next 2 games, I would be highly suspicious of continued problems related to one or both of his previous injuries.

Cushing seems to have a decent forward gear and does well in an unobstructed path, but is distinctly missing lateral explosiveness, a characteristic commonly seen post ACL. Like in the preseason, he still seems to be pushed around too easily.

CloakNNNdagger 09-12-2013 11:10 PM

Re: Wednesday Injury Report: Texans vs. Titans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Corrosion (Post 2208261)
Schaub looked much improved over last season IMO .... Much greater mobility when compared to what we saw at the tail end of last season.



@ Doc ...

The question I have is a simple one: Can we expect this Schaub every week .... or do you expect a medical regression over time with the lisfranc injury ?!?

Schaub seemed more mobile in the game against the Chargers, compared to the end of last season. Although he had some WTF type of throws, he found receivers often enough to pull out the game. The receivers in many cases were surprisingly wide open...........we might want to give all the credit to our receivers, but let us remember what team was out there supposedly rushing our QB and "covering" our receivers........not exactly a cast wrought with talent. As the season proceeds, the competition will be much tougher and the pressure on Schaub will pile on with the need to move in less open space, and to find receivers that are much more closely blanketed.

Repaired Lisfranc is not characteristically a "re-injury" risk (why I said that he was not held back from playing in the ProBowl). It is a high risk "wear down" injury..........following the path of an overuse injury like tendonitis. Furthermore, within 2 years of this injury, it is not uncommon for the patient to develop significant arthritis, which worsens with continued trauma. Schaub has had plenty of rest, seeing none or very little action during minicamps, OTAs, and preseason. Just like elbow tendonitis in a serious tennis player, rest will make things improve dramatically, but there is a very common cyclical recurrence and predictable decline in performance with resumption and continuance of overuse. So, yes, I would be surprised if Schaub does not demonstrate a "swan dive" somewhere down the line.

EllisUnit 09-12-2013 11:30 PM

Re: Wednesday Injury Report: Texans vs. Titans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger (Post 2208322)
Schaub seemed more mobile in the game against the Chargers, compared to the end of last season. Although he had some WTF type of throws, he found receivers often enough to pull out the game. The receivers in many cases were surprisingly wide open...........we might want to give all the credit to our receivers, but let us remember what team was out there supposedly rushing our QB and "covering" our receivers........not exactly a cast wrought with talent. As the season proceeds, the competition will be much tougher and the pressure on Schaub will pile on with the need to move in less open space, and to find receivers that are much more closely blanketed.

Repaired Lisfranc is not characteristically a "re-injury" risk (why I said that he was not held back from playing in the ProBowl). It is a high risk "wear down" injury..........following the path of an overuse injury like tendonitis. Furthermore, within 2 years of this injury, it is not uncommon for the patient to develop significant arthritis, which worsens with continued trauma. Schaub has had plenty of rest, seeing none or very little action during minicamps, OTAs, and preseason. Just like elbow tendonitis in a serious tennis player, rest will make things improve dramatically, but there is a very common cyclical recurrence and predictable decline in performance with resumption and continuance of overuse. So, yes, I would be surprised if Schaub does not demonstrate a "swan dive" somewhere down the line.

You and all your doctor talk.

Where i come from you just rub dirt on it

Broken finger ? Rub dirt on it
A Concussion ? Rub Dirt on it

You tell somebody in my home town that someone got decapitated and they ask "Well did they rub some dirt on it"

Apparently soil is an amazing antibiotic :splits: Gotta love country folks

CloakNNNdagger 09-12-2013 11:33 PM

Re: Wednesday Injury Report: Texans vs. Titans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EllisUnit (Post 2208333)
You and all your doctor talk.

Where i come from you just rub dirt on it

Broken finger ? Rub dirt on it
A Concussion ? Rub Dirt on it

You tell somebody in my home town that someone got decapitated and they ask "Well did they rub some dirt on it"

Apparently soil is an amazing antibiotic :splits: Gotta love country folks

...........and you do what for ED on a Saturday nite:)????????

EllisUnit 09-12-2013 11:36 PM

Re: Wednesday Injury Report: Texans vs. Titans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger (Post 2208336)
...........and you do what for ED on a Saturday nite:)????????

Rub some dirt on it, and then you will see this face shortly after

:scarygirl:

steelbtexan 09-12-2013 11:46 PM

Re: Wednesday Injury Report: Texans vs. Titans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger (Post 2208336)
...........and you do what for ED on a Saturday nite:)????????

Speechless.........

EllisUnit 09-12-2013 11:48 PM

Re: Wednesday Injury Report: Texans vs. Titans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by steelbtexan (Post 2208341)
Speechless.........

HEYYYY E.D is a big problem in America, And we cant all be like bob carrying around a 24' glass a sweet tea.

Some guys may take comfort in knowing that when things are about to get rowdy all they gotta do is go out side and get some dirt, and dont confuse dirt with gravel/dirt. We arent trying to hurt anyone.

ObsiWan 09-13-2013 12:21 AM

Re: Wednesday Injury Report: Texans vs. Titans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger (Post 2208299)
Foster was going down pretty easily. Certainly, he would be rusty after such a "break" from playing. But getting so little "push" could very well be a function of a sore calf and/or sore back. Also keep in mind that with long "rest" periods come atrophy of and loss of "memory" of muscles of the core and lower extremities that were not even originally injured. Put this on top of the fact he has come off of a high carry season. If his performance does not significantly improve over the next 2 games, I would be highly suspicious of continued problems related to one or both of his previous injuries.

Cushing seems to have a decent forward gear and does well in an unobstructed path, but is distinctly missing lateral explosiveness, a characteristic commonly seen post ACL. Like in the preseason, he still seems to be pushed around too easily.

So Foster's subpar output was due, most likely to the fact he's not 100% yet. And continued "off games" likely mean he shouldn't have come back just yet?

How long before Cush gets his game strength back...? Another month? Half the season? Next year?

EllisUnit 09-13-2013 12:27 AM

Re: Wednesday Injury Report: Texans vs. Titans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ObsiWan (Post 2208364)
So Foster's subpar output was due, most likely to the fact he's not 100% yet. And continued "off games" likely mean he shouldn't have come back just yet?

How long before Cush gets his game strength back...? Another month? Half the season? Next year?



When UPS delivers is HGH, there was a weather delay in orlando on friday and his package never arrived. Damn Logistics....

Ouch that was wrong..

But seriously yeah i agree he is looking kinda weak out there if thats the right word for it, he looked pretty quick all night until the INT TD run, and then he looked really slow.

CloakNNNdagger 09-13-2013 12:47 PM

Re: Wednesday Injury Report: Texans vs. Titans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ObsiWan (Post 2208364)
So Foster's subpar output was due, most likely to the fact he's not 100% yet. And continued "off games" likely mean he shouldn't have come back just yet?

How long before Cush gets his game strength back...? Another month? Half the season? Next year?

Correct as pertains to what I see in Foster.

As far as Cushing, 12 months [notwithstanding the "miracle" early (still 9 months for return to first game play) and strong Adrian Peterson] is still the more reasonable mark to better assess his progress (~1 1/2 months from now). By then it is more likely that he will regain more lower limb strength. It may take up to 2 years to make a final assessment as to how far he CAN come back. I know that all the box jump videos and the like seem impressive and get everyone's blood stirring, but in the big picture, it serves as a good show, not a reflection of prediction of on-field return performance coming back from an ACL.

CloakNNNdagger 09-13-2013 02:30 PM

Re: Wednesday Injury Report: Texans vs. Titans
 
Sharpton has finally passed his concussion protocol, and is now able to prepare for his next injury.:kitten:

IDEXAN 09-13-2013 02:56 PM

Re: Wednesday Injury Report: Texans vs. Titans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger (Post 2208566)
Sharpton has finally passed his concussion protocol, and is now able to prepare for his next injury.:kitten:

Wonder what kind of history Sharpton had coming out of "the U" ? There must have been some significant injuries/missed time given what his career has been in the NFL ?

hradhak 09-13-2013 03:23 PM

Re: Wednesday Injury Report: Texans vs. Titans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger (Post 2208566)
Sharpton has finally passed his concussion protocol, and is now able to prepare for his next injury.:kitten:

Sharpton must be the second coming of Urlacher for us to keep him on the team this long. Honestly at this point why do we even bother? Get rid of him and free up the roster spot.

CloakNNNdagger 09-13-2013 04:05 PM

Re: Wednesday Injury Report: Texans vs. Titans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IDEXAN (Post 2208572)
Wonder what kind of history Sharpton had coming out of "the U" ? There must have been some significant injuries/missed time given what his career has been in the NFL ?

I was hoping you didn't ask..........evidently, the FO seemingly didn't.

As a freshman red shirt in 2005 he played on special teams for three games before getting hurt and receiving a medical hardship because of concerns over his knee and ankle. His 2006 red shirt year was relatively unremarkable. He struggled with lower limb injuries all through the 2007 season and looked gimpy when he returned to the lineup. Unlike 2007, Sharpton stayed surprisingly healthy all year in 2008. But then again he was dealing with nagging lower extremity injuries, going on to miss the final two games of the 2009 season with a left knee injury. After all draft profiles reporting concern over his size as relates to durability as an NFL MLB, the Texans brain trust drafted him the next year.

Corrosion 09-13-2013 04:09 PM

Re: Wednesday Injury Report: Texans vs. Titans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger (Post 2208322)
Schaub seemed more mobile in the game against the Chargers, compared to the end of last season. Although he had some WTF type of throws, he found receivers often enough to pull out the game. The receivers in many cases were surprisingly wide open...........we might want to give all the credit to our receivers, but let us remember what team was out there supposedly rushing our QB and "covering" our receivers........not exactly a cast wrought with talent. As the season proceeds, the competition will be much tougher and the pressure on Schaub will pile on with the need to move in less open space, and to find receivers that are much more closely blanketed.

Repaired Lisfranc is not characteristically a "re-injury" risk (why I said that he was not held back from playing in the ProBowl). It is a high risk "wear down" injury..........following the path of an overuse injury like tendonitis. Furthermore, within 2 years of this injury, it is not uncommon for the patient to develop significant arthritis, which worsens with continued trauma. Schaub has had plenty of rest, seeing none or very little action during minicamps, OTAs, and preseason. Just like elbow tendonitis in a serious tennis player, rest will make things improve dramatically, but there is a very common cyclical recurrence and predictable decline in performance with resumption and continuance of overuse. So, yes, I would be surprised if Schaub does not demonstrate a "swan dive" somewhere down the line.

I really hope they manage his health carefully .... so we don't see that downward spiral we saw from week 12-13 thru the end of the season again.


Thanks for the info Doc ....

EllisUnit 09-13-2013 04:11 PM

Re: Wednesday Injury Report: Texans vs. Titans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger (Post 2208566)
Sharpton has finally passed his concussion protocol, and is now able to prepare for his next injury.:kitten:

:ouch:

Wolf 09-13-2013 04:19 PM

Re: Wednesday Injury Report: Texans vs. Titans
 
Might want to lists "ears" as doubtful being Vanilla Ice is performing at halftime


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