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gary 09-10-2013 08:49 PM

Thoughts About Defense
 
The defense did not play well last night and we all may say there are new players, or Ed Reed did not play. First game. All true. But, I wonder how much has to do with rule changes. Defense is not the same the NFL and the fans prefers scoring over defense. Quarterbacks are better off.

EllisUnit 09-10-2013 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by gary (Post 2207393)
The defense did not play well last night and we all may say there are new players, or Ed Reed did not play. First game. All true. But, I wonder how much has to do with rule changes. Defense is not the same the NFL and the fans prefers scoring over defense. Quarterbacks are better off.

I think we looked rusty, and uninspired. We werent playing disiplined football on offense or defense, and i think the opening INT and quick score by the chargers threw us off. I'm not worried about the D, Antonio Smith will be back next and the pass rush will be much better !

Allstar 09-10-2013 09:19 PM

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Our defense had a rough go for a half but still didn't give up a whole lot of yards. We played damn good defense the second half (if you can ignore the first drive).

SAMURAITEXAN 09-10-2013 09:24 PM

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I think missing Ninja had a lot to do with a lack of putting pressure on QB. The lack of pressure resulting giving enough time for opposition QB to complete pass which makes our DBs look bad.

ObsiWan 09-10-2013 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by gary (Post 2207393)
The defense did not play well last night and we all may say there are new players, or Ed Reed did not play. First game. All true. But, I wonder how much has to do with rule changes. Defense is not the same the NFL and the fans prefers scoring over defense. Quarterbacks are better off.

Those are valid points/factors and I would add that we missed Antonio too.
But
They woke up and buckled down when it counted

gary 09-10-2013 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by EllisUnit (Post 2207403)
I think we looked rusty, and uninspired. We werent playing disiplined football on offense or defense, and i think the opening INT and quick score by the chargers threw us off. I'm not worried about the D, Antonio Smith will be back next and the pass rush will be much better !

Overall defense has become harder to play.

awc713 09-10-2013 09:39 PM

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We held their offense to around 10 yards in the second half, if I'm not mistaken.

That's not too bad. I guess. Yeah, they looked rusty in the first half, but I'm not worried about them. Once Antonio is back, and Ed Reed...we'll be fine. Our D, at least.

More worried about the offense play calling and Foster. Foster NEEDS to be back. NEEDS to be healthy. His ypc has been slipping and it's becoming noticeable. Now, a lot of isn't just him, but my point is that he needs to be healthy to be effective.

Luckily this was his first game back, so maybe this was just a "getting the feet wet" type of game for him.

EllisUnit 09-10-2013 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by gary (Post 2207412)
Overall defense has become harder to play.

Oh i agree with that, but overall in the past off season not that many nig rule changes were made to the defense, only major one i saw was with RBs using crown of his helmet.

My point is not that much has changed on defense in the last 2 seasons so we will still be fine.

gary 09-10-2013 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by EllisUnit (Post 2207415)
Oh i agree with that, but overall in the past off season not that many nig rule changes were made to the defense, only major one i saw was with RBs using crown of his helmet.

My point is not that much has changed on defense in the last 2 seasons so we will still be fine.

Agree, but Brady, Manning, and others have brought more offense to game more than before..

TexansSeminole 09-10-2013 10:35 PM

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I think the passing game is too advanced and the rules are too far slanted toward offense in the NFL to run a predominantly man scheme. If you do so, you are likely to get burned by QBs and receivers that's are on point. As long as we run this scheme, we will likely have games where we get lit up in the passing game. Effective blitzing and knocking balls down at the line of scrimmage is pretty much our only chance to stop it. I don't expect us to be all that great against the pass this year.

infantrycak 09-10-2013 10:37 PM

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What rules are you saying changed this year which affected the Chargers game?

htowntexans1985 09-11-2013 06:05 AM

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Did anyone take into account the start time was 9:30 pm? The NFL screwed us their. The whole team look lackadaisical for two quarters. They looked tired and slow. West coast time plus a late start might have been an issue for them.

LikeMike 09-11-2013 06:28 AM

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I am not too worried about defense. We looked great for one half and rusty the other half. Watt, Cushing, Mercilus, Mitchell were coming of injuries - A. Smith and Ed Reed are still missing and should help (Smith was really missing in the running game).

We don`t have real holes on defense. Sure OLB depht looks shaky, ILB has question marks, CB3 looked bad - but all teams have problems like that. We have enough talent to be the best defense of the league.

thunderkyss 09-11-2013 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by gary (Post 2207393)
The defense did not play well last night and we all may say there are new players, or Ed Reed did not play. First game. All true. But, I wonder how much has to do with rule changes. Defense is not the same the NFL and the fans prefers scoring over defense. Quarterbacks are better off.

Unless they changed a few rules back to the old rules between the first half & the second... I don't think it was a rule change issue.

Our defense kicked their ass in the second half with the most current rules intact.

NastyNate 09-11-2013 10:28 AM

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I really can't agree with a single assessment thus far in this thread. I feel the stubbornness of Wade Phillips to Blitz every other down is what got us into this mess in the first place. Of the 49 times Rivers was sacked last year, 35 came when rushing 4 or less. The guy can't deal with defenses dropping 6 into coverage, and yet, we sent 5 or 6 every other play. In addition, sending Swearinger to safety blitz is taking Danieal Manning's greatest quality away from his skill set, playing near the LOS and blitzing. I understand Ed Reed being out directly affects that decision but we have to be able to generate pressure without the blitz.

Phillips didn't adjust until after the opening TD drive in the third quarter, had he done so after the first 15 minutes we'd be singing a much different tune.

While I think this game plan will be much more effective against Jake Locker with his completion percentage woes, Phillip Rivers isn't the QB to play that game plan against. He sees single coverage matchups too easily and was picking on McCain and Reed.

dream_team 09-11-2013 10:34 AM

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I'm not in panic mode just yet, but I'm strongly discouraged by the pass rush. All of the scouting reports I've read before the game said the Charger's OL was horrible and the Texans will be pressuring Rivers all day. I didn't see that. Besides Watt, no one was beating their guy one-on-one. I know Antonio would have been a big help, but I don't want to get into that mode of thinking "we'll be better when so-and-so gets back". Our defense can't rely on everyone being healthy for the whole season.

I know McCain got repeatedly torched, but you're asking alot from a CB to being playing man so much. Either the pass rush needs to get to the QB extremely quick, or I'd like to see Wade call more diverse coverages.

dream_team 09-11-2013 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by NastyNate (Post 2207530)
I really can't agree with a single assessment thus far in this thread. I feel the stubbornness of Wade Phillips to Blitz every other down is what got us into this mess in the first place. Of the 49 times Rivers was sacked last year, 35 came when rushing 4 or less. The guy can't deal with defenses dropping 6 into coverage, and yet, we sent 5 or 6 every other play. In addition, sending Swearinger to safety blitz is taking Danieal Manning's greatest quality away from his skill set, playing near the LOS and blitzing. I understand Ed Reed being out directly affects that decision but we have to be able to generate pressure without the blitz.

Phillips didn't adjust until after the opening TD drive in the third quarter, had he done so after the first 15 minutes we'd be singing a much different tune.

While I think this game plan will be much more effective against Jake Locker with his completion percentage woes, Phillip Rivers isn't the QB to play that game plan against. He sees single coverage matchups too easily and was picking on McCain and Reed.

This too! ^^^

Everyone on here is so quick to jump on Kubiak's stubbornness on offense, but I don't understand why Wade gets a free pass. Wade's frequently repeated blitz & man-coverage is equivalent to Kubiak's persistence to stick with the run.

klockWork 09-11-2013 11:23 AM

The two thing that I knew that would go into decline this season are Schaub and the Defense. After the SD game maybe there's hope that Schaub can improve. But the defense is still a glaring concern for me. SD biggest weakness is clearly their offensive line and yet we applied very little pressure at Rivers.

I watched the game from Palm Springs Ca and is mostly Chargers fan over there and after the game listening to their local sports radio folks were feeling upbeat even after a loss, particularly about how their offensive line held up in pass protection. I'm sick to my stomach hearing how they think their line stonewalled our Dline pass rush.

But my biggest issue with our defense is our Db's still don't play the ball when it's in the air, particularly on man coverage. J.Jo use to play the ball all the time when he was in Cincy. In his first year in Houston he played the ball most of the time. In his second year game after game I noticed he's playing it less and less. That long passing play Rivers completed in the beginning of the 2nd half Joseph was stride for stride with his man. The ball was in the air forever. Joseph never once look up but contend to play the receiver instead. If he bother to look up the ball was there for the taking.

If Johnathan Joseph, a player whose always played the ball in his entire career, switched teams, then gradually loses that habit, is that on him? Or is that his coaches not emphasizing that on their players? Does anybody have any recent memory of one of our Db's playing the ball on a long pass? Next week against the Titans I can guarantee there will be a long completed pass or a pass interference flag against our Db's because they didn't bother to look up at the ball. I just hope it doesn't cost us the game.

Tailgate 09-11-2013 11:44 AM

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Barring injuries, this Defense will only get better as the year goes on. Reed comes around, Mays and Swearinger will get more experience, and Cushing should get better further removed from ACL.

A key still is Mercilus. If this guy breaks out, lookout. Another is possibly seeing more zone packages rolled out for high octane teams.

silvrhand 09-11-2013 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Tailgate (Post 2207570)
Barring injuries, this Defense will only get better as the year goes on. Reed comes around, Mays and Swearinger will get more experience, and Cushing should get better further removed from ACL.

A key still is Mercilus. If this guy breaks out, lookout. Another is possibly seeing more zone packages rolled out for high octane teams.

In a 3-4 defense we don't have the outside linebacker than can put up the big numbers we need. Reed has dropped off, Mercilus.. not a proven factor yet, and we rely on Watt..

Not good, we really need someone else to step up and be a 10 sack a year guy.


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