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TEXANRED 08-28-2013 03:26 PM

Alec Lemon on IR
 
Funny how the good one's always seem to get hurt right before roster cuts.

http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootba...former_sy.html

PapaL 08-28-2013 03:28 PM

Re: Alec Lemon on IR
 
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Originally Posted by TEXANRED (Post 2199048)
Funny how the good one's always seem to get hurt right before roster cuts.

http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootba...former_sy.html

What a surprise! Hope that "right hamstring injury" heals up by next year. :tiphat:

DocBar 08-28-2013 09:23 PM

Re: Alec Lemon on IR
 
How does this work out money-wise? What's the benefit of Lemon allowing the Texans to place him on IR instead of allowing him to look for work elsewhere? He seemed to flash enough talent to get some looks elsewhere.

Corrosion 08-28-2013 09:33 PM

Re: Alec Lemon on IR
 
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Originally Posted by DocBar (Post 2199185)
How does this work out money-wise? What's the benefit of Lemon allowing the Texans to place him on IR instead of allowing him to look for work elsewhere? He seemed to flash enough talent to get some looks elsewhere.

For the most part , it guarantee's his contract for the season , he may or may not get a deal with another team .... Being an UDFA , the safe bet is to take the $$ and sit.
He'll spend a year with the team .... giving him the time to absorb the offense and have a solid shot at making next years 53.

DocBar 08-28-2013 09:45 PM

Re: Alec Lemon on IR
 
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Originally Posted by Corrosion (Post 2199190)
For the most part , it guarantee's his contract for the season , he may or may not get a deal with another team .... Being an UDFA , the safe bet is to take the $$ and sit.He'll spend a year with the team .... giving him the time to absorb the offense and have a solid shot at making next years 53.

That makes sense and also explains why I don't gamble. I rarely take the safe bet. :D

So he gets the rookie minimum for his time on IR? I mean, there has to be some kind of financial reward for this.

Corrosion 08-29-2013 12:51 AM

Re: Alec Lemon on IR
 
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Originally Posted by DocBar (Post 2199192)
That makes sense and also explains why I don't gamble. I rarely take the safe bet. :D

So he gets the rookie minimum for his time on IR? I mean, there has to be some kind of financial reward for this.

I don't know how much his contract was to begin with , but most likely a rookie min deal. That's something like $470k I believe ... If he likes the situation here and his chances to make the roster next season I can see why he went that route.

Wolf6151 08-29-2013 03:07 AM

Re: Alec Lemon on IR
 
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Originally Posted by DocBar (Post 2199192)
That makes sense and also explains why I don't gamble. I rarely take the safe bet. :D

So he gets the rookie minimum for his time on IR? I mean, there has to be some kind of financial reward for this.

The reward is that he gets a guaranteed paycheck for a year while taking no risk of real injury by playing also giving him time to really learn our system and put him that much further ahead for next year. If released he also runs the chance that no one picks him up, no paycheck. I really like this move and like what I saw from Lemon in preseason. Our new found depth at WR should remove the position from our list of needs in the 2014 draft.

Lucky 08-29-2013 07:27 AM

Re: Alec Lemon on IR
 
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Originally Posted by DocBar (Post 2199185)
What's the benefit of Lemon allowing the Texans to place him on IR instead of allowing him to look for work elsewhere?

Allowing the Texans? Lemon is under contract with the Texans. He can either accept going on IR or retire. Not much of a choice.

PapaL 08-29-2013 07:55 AM

Re: Alec Lemon on IR
 
Plus he get's the medical coverage; ok not like our staff has an outstanding record but beats not having any while recovering from that "right hamstring injury".

IDEXAN 08-29-2013 09:02 AM

Re: Alec Lemon on IR
 
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Originally Posted by Lucky (Post 2199270)
Allowing the Texans? Lemon is under contract with the Texans. He can either accept going on IR or retire. Not much of a choice.

Great for management, but that sucks for the union guy, and I'm a confirmed union-hater. Honestly, that really is an injustice. I dunno, is this the way its always been, or something else found in the new CBA ?
Wonder what the definition is for an injury to meet the level of qualifying for being "IR", and how is that verified by the league ?

Tailgate 08-29-2013 09:48 AM

Re: Alec Lemon on IR
 
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Originally Posted by IDEXAN (Post 2199281)
Great for management, but that sucks for the union guy, and I'm a confirmed union-hater. Honestly, that really is an injustice. I dunno, is this the way its always been, or something else found in the new CBA ?
Wonder what the definition is for an injury to meet the level of qualifying for being "IR", and how is that verified by the league ?

For all we know Lemon is extatic he is still with the team.

Corrosion 08-29-2013 09:48 AM

Re: Alec Lemon on IR
 
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Originally Posted by IDEXAN (Post 2199281)
Great for management, but that sucks for the union guy, and I'm a confirmed union-hater. Honestly, that really is an injustice. I dunno, is this the way its always been, or something else found in the new CBA ?
Wonder what the definition is for an injury to meet the level of qualifying for being "IR", and how is that verified by the league ?

What's so bad about a fringe player who may or may not have a season long roster spot getting a full seasons NFL salary ?!?

Who's to say he would perform the same in a different offense .. he could be a system player , not to take anything away from the guy cause he has found himself open a hell of a lot.

nero THE zero 08-29-2013 10:57 AM

Re: Alec Lemon on IR
 
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Originally Posted by IDEXAN (Post 2199281)
Great for management, but that sucks for the union guy, and I'm a confirmed union-hater. Honestly, that really is an injustice. I dunno, is this the way its always been, or something else found in the new CBA ?
Wonder what the definition is for an injury to meet the level of qualifying for being "IR", and how is that verified by the league ?

I can't fathom the idea that this is "bad" for him. It means, tangibly, that he is getting paid a nice salary for at least the next 16 weeks and, intangibly, that an NFL team thinks enough of him to subvert the rules to keep him around.

Sounds like damn nice situation to be in to me.

BullNation4Life 08-29-2013 11:07 AM

Re: Alec Lemon on IR
 
Can't they pull him off IR during the year? If so, that is a great way squirrel away a great player...

ChampionTexan 08-29-2013 11:15 AM

Re: Alec Lemon on IR
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IDEXAN (Post 2199281)
Great for management, but that sucks for the union guy, and I'm a confirmed union-hater. Honestly, that really is an injustice. I dunno, is this the way its always been, or something else found in the new CBA ?
Wonder what the definition is for an injury to meet the level of qualifying for being "IR", and how is that verified by the league ?

The current CBA changed nothing in regard to how IR works, nor how the contracts of players being placed on IR are handled. Lemon's getting the full amount his one year contract stipulated, and the Texans maintain his rights for the remainder of the league year. While there are some instances where I could understand an accusation of injustice regarding NFL contracts, I don't comprehend why this would be one of them.

2012Champs 08-29-2013 11:19 AM

Re: Alec Lemon on IR
 
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Originally Posted by ChampionTexan (Post 2199330)
The current CBA changed nothing in regard to how IR works, nor how the contracts of players being placed on IR are handled. Lemon's getting the full amount his one year contract stipulated, and the Texans maintain his rights for the remainder of the league year. While there are some instances where I could understand an accusation of injustice regarding NFL contracts, I don't comprehend why this would be one of them.

The NFL and NFLPA agreed last year to a change for the IR allowing a team to pull a single player off IR under certain scenarios and allow them to play

ChampionTexan 08-29-2013 11:21 AM

Re: Alec Lemon on IR
 
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Originally Posted by BullNation4Life (Post 2199326)
Can't they pull him off IR during the year? If so, that is a great way squirrel away a great player...

They can't. A team can have a player return from injured reserve during the year, but that is limited to one player per year per team, and that player must be designated as eligible to return at the time he's placed on injured reserve. That designation also can't be used until after the final cutdown (to 53) is completed.

PapaL 08-29-2013 11:21 AM

Re: Alec Lemon on IR
 
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Originally Posted by BullNation4Life (Post 2199326)
Can't they pull him off IR during the year? If so, that is a great way squirrel away a great player...

They can designate one player to pull off of IR.

http://russellstreetreport.com/cap-glossary/

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Injured Reserve (IR) – Once a player is placed on Injured Reserve (IR), the player is done for the season and can not practice with the team until after the completion of the season. A player on Injured Reserve (IR) does not count against any roster limit, but does count against the team’s Salary Cap.

A player can be released from Injured Reserve (IR) once he has passed his physical and has been deemed to be recovered from his injury or if the player and team agree to an Injury Settlement. The player is then free to sign elsewhere and can participate in games for the new team.

In August of 2012, the NFL and NFLPA agreed to a new IR rule that allows a team to designated 1 player for an in-season IR spot which allows that player to return later in the season. The player has to be on the team’s 53-man roster on the Tuesday before the 1st game of the season and could then be placed on IR with the designation of “designated to return”. After that the player would have to sit out for 6 weeks, during which he cannot practice. After 6 weeks, the player could practice for 2 weeks and then be activated to the 53-man roster. The player must sit out a minimum of 8 weeks.

ChampionTexan 08-29-2013 11:23 AM

Re: Alec Lemon on IR
 
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Originally Posted by 2012Champs (Post 2199335)
The NFL and NFLPA agreed last year to a change for the IR allowing a team to pull a single player off IR under certain scenarios and allow them to play

I'm aware of that, but that wasn't part of the CBA negotiated in 2011. There's also nothing in that agreement that impacts Lemon's situation.

Doppelganger 08-29-2013 11:23 AM

Re: Alec Lemon on IR
 
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Originally Posted by BullNation4Life (Post 2199326)
Can't they pull him off IR during the year? If so, that is a great way squirrel away a great player...

They could but its doubtful. IR players are generally unable to practice with the team. The theory is if you are on IR, you are hurt and cannot practice. Normally the practice of pulling a player off the IR would be for a veteran who got hurt early and is coming back, such as Terrell Suggs.

Lemon is a rook who has not gotten any significant first team reps. It is highly doubtful he would go from there to playing on the team.


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