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amazing80 08-25-2013 07:14 PM

Will the real Jonathan Joseph please stand up
 
When we first signed JJo, he was a beast. Great in coverage, good tackle, good mentor. But last year he was banged up and got burned a LOT. Plus didn't seem to be able to help out our other corners improve, Jackson did, but he had no where to go but up from his previous play.

My point is, who is the real Joseph? The guy who was borderline shut down, or the guy who can't defend number 2 wide outs? The guy who is a solid tackler or the guy who is timid to hit someone? If he continues to struggle (Miami and now Saints) we could be in for a long year vs the pass again. Hopefully for our teams sake he gets his act together quickly.

Tailgate 08-25-2013 07:32 PM

Re: Will the real Jonathan Joseph please stand up
 
Its definitely something to watch. But he stated he was healthy now and last year could be the off/injury year still as we haven't played any meaningful snaps yet. He is a vet, and may just be jealous Reed got to chill in Vail over the weekend.

speedfreek 08-25-2013 07:35 PM

Re: Will the real Jonathan Joseph please stand up
 
Our entire secondary has been suspect in my opinion.
I've been worried about it since Ponder last year..

JJo looks iffy, Keo is a MESS, and Reed is up on cinder blocks
in the Texans driveway..

TJ

Texn4life 08-25-2013 07:36 PM

Re: Will the real Jonathan Joseph please stand up
 
From what I can see this preseason he hasn't been giving maximum effort. It bothers me some, but at the same time I'm ok with it. He just better step it up when the real bullets start flying.

silvrhand 08-25-2013 07:51 PM

Re: Will the real Jonathan Joseph please stand up
 
Let's just face it guys..

We are a pressure blitzing defense, if you don't get to the QB they are going to hit big, that's our game. Hit the qb, hit him again, and again and again.. No JJ Watt tonight, Earl went out early, and we stopped hitting Brees after the 1 quarter.

That is why we have tougher times against the great QB's they get the ball out fast, and in good positions to make it very difficult for our CBs.

eriadoc 08-25-2013 07:58 PM

Re: Will the real Jonathan Joseph please stand up
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by silvrhand (Post 2197965)
Let's just face it guys..

We are a pressure blitzing defense, if you don't get to the QB they are going to hit big, that's our game. Hit the qb, hit him again, and again and again.. No JJ Watt tonight, Earl went out early, and we stopped hitting Brees after the 1 quarter.

That is why we have tougher times against the great QB's they get the ball out fast, and in good positions to make it very difficult for our CBs.

In a blitzing defense, you need corners who can cover for a few seconds.

TexansBlood 08-25-2013 08:05 PM

Re: Will the real Jonathan Joseph please stand up
 
I been thinking the same WTF is wrong w him? Seems like KJ is always on top of his man and JJo and no where near he's man....

Is he being overconfident?

badboy 08-25-2013 08:14 PM

Re: Will the real Jonathan Joseph please stand up
 
Hopefully when game 1 of RS begins we will see a huge uptick in all players. Tate and Crick as well as Jefferson impressed. Jean is looking better also; 2/2 18 yd avg.

Rey 08-25-2013 08:29 PM

Re: Will the real Jonathan Joseph please stand up
 
Hopefully when everyone is back we can blitz less. With the players we have we should be able to consistently get pressure with 4 and 5 man rushes.

htowntexans1985 08-25-2013 08:34 PM

Re: Will the real Jonathan Joseph please stand up
 
On the play he got turned around on, he wasn't even set for the play. He was talking to someone. Definately not pro bowl caliber so far.

Titans Sux 72 08-25-2013 08:50 PM

A rookie turned him around. Yeah I'm concerned.

chicagotexan2 08-25-2013 09:00 PM

Re: Will the real Jonathan Joseph please stand up
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Titans Sux 72 (Post 2197994)
A rookie turned him around. Yeah I'm concerned.

It was ugly. I don't Joseph is Albert hayneworthing it. I do think the injuries and lack of confidence are a factor. I can only hope that a healthy d with pressure on the QB can make up for the defensive backfield.

The Third Man 08-25-2013 11:46 PM

Re: Will the real Jonathan Joseph please stand up
 
I think you guys are overreacting. If you went by the preseason, Lestar Jean would be in the pro bowl.

Texn4life 08-26-2013 12:20 AM

Re: Will the real Jonathan Joseph please stand up
 
Am I seriously the only one that sees he's giving half effort right now? It was really evident on the TD, but even on some other plays you could tell he's not going all out. If this carries on into regular season then I'll be pissed, but right now I can see he's really not going full tilt. I'm just assuming he doesn't want to hurt himself before the season starts so i'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

b0ng 08-26-2013 12:33 AM

Re: Will the real Jonathan Joseph please stand up
 
Definitely a scrub bust who should be cut immediately to "send a message". Would probably give us cap savings too.

Norg 08-26-2013 01:26 AM

Re: Will the real Jonathan Joseph please stand up
 
hopefully hes just warming up since its pre season

HJam72 08-26-2013 02:51 AM

Re: Will the real Jonathan Joseph please stand up
 
I just don't think J. Jo. cares much about a backup QB and covering a backup WR in a preseason game. We were seeing the same lack of effort from Tate until today. Seems the preseason media either got to him or at least one of the coaches must've said something, or possibly he just values game 3 more; but, for whatever reason, Tate decided to show up today. It makes a big difference. But, technically at least, Tate is a backup....and J. Jo. still doesn't care about preseason.

I don't see any reason why J. Jo. would perform even worse (much worse, actually) right now than he did in the playoffs last year....unless he just isn't into it.

Some of these guys whose position is in no doubt are mostly just concerned about not getting hurt (right now).

EllisUnit 08-26-2013 03:32 AM

Re: Will the real Jonathan Joseph please stand up
 
Ok listen up ladies....:kitten:

This is pre season, soldiers who are having war games, dont kill eachother then. They wait until the real war starts ;)

htowntexans1985 08-26-2013 05:24 AM

Re: Will the real Jonathan Joseph please stand up
 
If it was any player other than Joseph in our secondary, he would be getting obliterated on these boards right now. Preseason or not. Just saying.

BullBlitz 08-26-2013 05:44 AM

Re: Will the real Jonathan Joseph please stand up
 
I'm giving JJo the benefit of the doubt, and hoping that he's just one of those veterans who can't get too enthusiastic about preseason games.

I hope that's the case because we will need him in top form in the regular season.


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