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Playoffs 08-21-2013 09:57 AM

TSV Video: Breaking Down Miami CB Brent Grimes' Interception Of Matt Schaub
 
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Breaking Down CB Brent Grimes' Interception Of QB Matt Schaub

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Throughout the off-season, the Miami Dolphins spent a ton of money on a number of players, and one of those high-priced free agents made one heck of a play against the Texans on Saturday night. Much to the chagrin of Texans fans, CB Brent Grimes looked even better on Saturday night than he did before his season ending injury.

Grimes had some help, though, as you'll see on the video. Texans QB Matt Schaub and WR DeAndre Hopkins made this a little less difficult for the former Falcon...
http://www.thesidelineview.com/tsvtv...qb-matt-schaub

76Texan 08-21-2013 11:03 AM

Re: TSV Video: Breaking Down Miami CB Brent Grimes' Interception Of Matt Schaub
 
I agree with Harris here.

There's a reason I warned people not to put too high of an expectation on a rookie WR.

Hopkins doesn't have great deep speed such that these starting caliber CBs are forced to honor the deep routes.
They can play him tight until Hopkins can prove that he's capable of fooling them with a double move.

At the same time, Hopkins still needs to work on his route running to make it sharp and precise, and he needs to practice those tricks of the trade as how to widen the CB, how to get them to open their hips in order to help himself to gain a bit of an advantage.

Constructive criticism can only help a player, not hurting him.

Playoffs 08-21-2013 11:33 AM

Re: TSV Video: Breaking Down Miami CB Brent Grimes' Interception Of Matt Schaub
 
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Originally Posted by 76Texan (Post 2195904)
I agree with Harris here.

Constructive criticism can only help a player, not hurting him.

Yep. Great play by Grimes, but if their feet don't get tangled it's an incomplete pass. My favorite part was how pi$$ed Schaub got. Like to see a little fire in his belly.

The Pencil Neck 08-21-2013 11:48 AM

Re: TSV Video: Breaking Down Miami CB Brent Grimes' Interception Of Matt Schaub
 
Harris was getting all pizzed off that Matt didn't throw it to a wide-open Andre.

That doesn't bother me.

9 times out of 10 in the regular season, Matt's not going to ignore AJ like that. He's going to feed him the ball. The way I see this is that this is pre-season and Matt is trying to get Nuk involved. He's putting the ball where Nuk is supposed to be to develop some of that timing and trust. It's more about testing Nuk and getting him prepped for the regular season than making the right QB read/throw in that situation.

disaacks3 08-21-2013 11:56 AM

Re: TSV Video: Breaking Down Miami CB Brent Grimes' Interception Of Matt Schaub
 
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Originally Posted by Playoffs (Post 2195928)
Yep. Great play by Grimes, but if their feet don't get tangled it's an incomplete pass. My favorite part was how pi$$ed Schaub got. Like to see a little fire in his belly.

My question has been who was he pi**ed at? Himself (for an underthrow), or Hopkins (for not breaking the route off sharply?

76Texan 08-21-2013 12:12 PM

Re: TSV Video: Breaking Down Miami CB Brent Grimes' Interception Of Matt Schaub
 
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Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck (Post 2195933)
Harris was getting all pizzed off that Matt didn't throw it to a wide-open Andre.

That doesn't bother me.

9 times out of 10 in the regular season, Matt's not going to ignore AJ like that. He's going to feed him the ball. The way I see this is that this is pre-season and Matt is trying to get Nuk involved. He's putting the ball where Nuk is supposed to be to develop some of that timing and trust. It's more about testing Nuk and getting him prepped for the regular season than making the right QB read/throw in that situation.

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Originally Posted by disaacks3 (Post 2195940)
My question has been who was he pi**ed at? Himself (for an underthrow), or Hopkins (for not breaking the route off sharply?

If Hopkins had made a sharp cut, would that make Schaub's throw a little further behind???

The Pencil Neck 08-21-2013 12:33 PM

Re: TSV Video: Breaking Down Miami CB Brent Grimes' Interception Of Matt Schaub
 
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Originally Posted by 76Texan (Post 2195947)
If Hopkins had made a sharp cut, would that make Schaub's throw a little further behind???

I think it would have put Hopkins in between Grimes and the ball and would have had the ball coming more directly at Nuk.

76Texan 08-21-2013 12:53 PM

Re: TSV Video: Breaking Down Miami CB Brent Grimes' Interception Of Matt Schaub
 
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Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck (Post 2195962)
I think it would have put Hopkins in between Grimes and the ball and would have had the ball coming more directly at Nuk.

Maybe I confused myself here, but...

As I see it, Hopkins rounded off the route, so it should take him longer to get where he needed to be.

Then he got his foot caught behind Grimes; that ought to slow him down some more.

Yet when I look at the trajectory of the ball, it was still slightly behind (or just right there).

I'm still thinking that ball has to be thrown further to the inside if it was an anticipatory throw where Schaub slings it just before or when Hopkins was supposed to make the cut.

I need to go back to the big screen and see if the camera angle can show exactly when the ball left Schaub's hand.

I don't have a perfect TV angle.
With NFL replay, can you tell us exactly what happened?
Sometimes, they don't have a perfect angle either in the regular season games that I've seen.

Lucky 08-21-2013 06:54 PM

Re: TSV Video: Breaking Down Miami CB Brent Grimes' Interception Of Matt Schaub
 
Grimes never had to take his eyes off the QB. He saw the play all the way. Schaub shouldn't have thrown the pass.

thunderkyss 08-21-2013 07:22 PM

Re: TSV Video: Breaking Down Miami CB Brent Grimes' Interception Of Matt Schaub
 
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Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck (Post 2195933)
Harris was getting all pizzed off that Matt didn't throw it to a wide-open Andre.

That doesn't bother me.

9 times out of 10 in the regular season, Matt's not going to ignore AJ like that. He's going to feed him the ball. The way I see this is that this is pre-season and Matt is trying to get Nuk involved. He's putting the ball where Nuk is supposed to be to develop some of that timing and trust. It's more about testing Nuk and getting him prepped for the regular season than making the right QB read/throw in that situation.

I hear what you're saying, but Matt is always talking about taking what the defense gives you...

I hope you're right, & in the regular season that safety stays home & Matt gets the ball to Andre. Then DeAndre is doing exactly what we want him to, draw that attention.

But this is one of those situations where some people would accuse Matt of "staring down" his receiver. People wrongly accuse Peyton of the same thing. They are purposely trying to get that safety to come over, if he never does, they have an easy throw. If they come over, the other route should be open.

Where that screws them up, especially Peyton, they wait too long to pull the trigger. They want the other route so bad that they keep their attention on the first read & the safety never bites. They end up throwing it so late, that the receiver's route closes the gap they're trying to open.


But anyway.

thunderkyss 08-21-2013 07:25 PM

Re: TSV Video: Breaking Down Miami CB Brent Grimes' Interception Of Matt Schaub
 
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Originally Posted by disaacks3 (Post 2195940)
My question has been who was he pi**ed at? Himself (for an underthrow), or Hopkins (for not breaking the route off sharply?

He was upset with the refs.... at real speed it looked like pass interference.


The refs were right, their feet got tangled & it was a no call, but when I first saw it, I thought Grimes pushed Hopkins to the ground.


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