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TheIronDuke 08-19-2013 10:27 AM

Replay of Dirty Incognito vs Antonio * Suspended all preseason and season opener *
 
Remember last season when Antonio got fined for kicking at Incognito who was grabbing onto his leg and twisting it? Check out this replay when Incognito was shoving his hands into Antonio's face. Looks like Antonio took Incognito's helmet off and damn near hit him in the face with his own helmet. NFL fine looming I'm sure.

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_as...3eUN6mR3hU.gif

Tailgate 08-19-2013 10:30 AM

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Incognito is butt hurt lil ***** because he knows he cant handle the Ninja!

Vinnie 08-19-2013 11:03 AM

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Wow, right in front of the official too. He must have done that ninja move so fast only the HD cameras were able to pick it up!

Tailgate 08-19-2013 11:05 AM

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I like Ninjas finishing stance, and lets just be glad that was a "warning shot" lol.

Playoffs 08-19-2013 12:31 PM

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Cheap shot Incognito hand his left hand up in Antonio's facemask digging in then clearly struck him in the head with his right hand.

If Ninja gets fined, Incognito should as well as he instigated it.

Vance87 08-19-2013 12:36 PM

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I don't care how big or tall Incognito is. He's a little *****.

silvrhand 08-19-2013 12:45 PM

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My hand got stuck in the helmet.. I didn't realize it.. it's preseason!

b0ng 08-19-2013 01:15 PM

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Antonio Smith is probably going to get suspended for that and he should be. Taking off a players helmet then trying to use it for batting practice on another players head is pretty damn malicious even if the two have bad blood with each other.

HJam72 08-19-2013 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by b0ng (Post 2194986)
Antonio Smith is probably going to get suspended for that and he should be. Taking off a players helmet then trying to use it for batting practice on another players head is pretty damn malicious even if the two have bad blood with each other.

Grabbing a guy's facemask, yanking it in 2 different directions, and then throwing the other fist at him is just asking for it anyway. I think he did well not to go all AJ vs. Finnegan on 'im. I am glad that it doesn't appear he actually made contact with the little helmet swing.

b0ng 08-19-2013 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by HJam72 (Post 2194991)
Grabbing a guy's facemask, yanking it in 2 different directions, and then throwing the other fist at him is just asking for it anyway. I think he did well not to go all AJ vs. Finnegan on 'im. I am glad that it doesn't appear he actually made contact with the little helmet swing.

I didn't say that Incognito was some angel who made no mistakes in that previous quote. But what Smith did was completely and totally over the line and I'm absolutely sure if it was a player not named Incognito doing that to the Ninja, he would not have acted in the same manner.

It still does not excuse, even in the slightest bit, what Smith did right there in that .gif.

infantrycak 08-19-2013 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by b0ng (Post 2194993)
But what Smith did was completely and totally over the line ...

I am dubious Antonio was trying to hit him at all and certainly not in the head. He is swinging at mid-chest level and well back. He may draw a fine but I seriously doubt he gets suspended. Can anyone think of any player who has ever been suspended for a non-hit?

eriadoc 08-19-2013 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by b0ng (Post 2194993)
I didn't say that Incognito was some angel who made no mistakes in that previous quote. But what Smith did was completely and totally over the line and I'm absolutely sure if it was a player not named Incognito doing that to the Ninja, he would not have acted in the same manner.

It still does not excuse, even in the slightest bit, what Smith did right there in that .gif.

The only problem I have with Antonio Smith in that incident is that he didn't go all the way. If another player is continually doing nasty **** to you and the refs won't do something about it, take care of the problem in such a way that ends up being worth the fine, a la AJ v. Innegan.

All this "over the line" crap is just that. The line was back over there on the decent side of yanking someone's head around by the facemask. The potential for injury is a helluva lot worse in yanking someone's head around by the facemask than it is by whacking them with their own helmet. Smith tried to hit Incognito. Incognito tried to incapacitate Smith.

Big Lou 08-19-2013 01:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by b0ng (Post 2194986)
Antonio Smith is probably going to get suspended for that and he should be. Taking off a players helmet then trying to use it for batting practice on another players head is pretty damn malicious even if the two have bad blood with each other.

It would have been better if Antonio would have not done that and not defending it, but it looks like the official didn't flag Incognito. How you expect someone not to get mad and react like that if no one notices such a cheap shot. Smith deserves a fine, but that's it. He swung the helmet but pulled back. Incognito was trying just as hard to pull Antonio's helmet off, or break his damn neck.

b0ng 08-19-2013 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 2194995)
I am dubious Antonio was trying to hit him at all and certainly not in the head. He is swinging at mid-chest level and well back. He may draw a fine but I seriously doubt he gets suspended. Can anyone think of any player who has ever been suspended for a non-hit?

The NFL is not going to look at the incident and try to determine if he was actually trying to damage Incognito with his own helmet, or if it was a warning shot. Couple that with Smith's past history of fine-inducing actions on the field, and it's not a pretty picture.

Why try to bring up whether the league has suspended players for this action before? I doubt anybody in the league has taken off another players helmet and tried to knock said player out with it before. Can always set a precedent for that with a suspension.

disaacks3 08-19-2013 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Playoffs (Post 2194975)
Cheap shot Incognito hand his left hand up in Antonio's facemask digging in then clearly struck him in the head with his right hand.

If Ninja gets fined, Incognito should as well as he instigated it.

The same goes for any talk of a suspension. Look at the angle that Smith's head is pushed back at and then violently rotated.

Take "Cheap Shots"? Expect one back.

eriadoc 08-19-2013 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by b0ng (Post 2194998)
I doubt anybody in the league has taken off another players helmet and tried to knock said player out with it before. Can always set a precedent for that with a suspension.

Not like I track these things, and it was a different league back then, but I remember Dexter Manley doing it.

infantrycak 08-19-2013 01:42 PM

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bOng - I am glad you have a Batman hotline to know exactly what the NFL will consider.

b0ng 08-19-2013 01:46 PM

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If the roles were reversed, you know damn well most of you guys would be pissing and moaning about how Smith should be suspended because of such malicious acts.

And this is not, and has no real relation to AJ vs Finnegan. That was a fist-fight that got both players ejected. This incident is Smith swinging a weapon around at another player (a helmet, which is going to do a lot more damage if it connects, luckily it didn't). Refs miss penalties all the time, and this is football, you don't go tearing somebody's helmet off and start swinging it at them on the field because the other player is getting away with dirty play.

There's no way that what Smith did is defensible, Incognito being a piece of **** or not, and again he should be suspended for that. Just look at the ankle/grabbing incident from last year, who ended up fined for that one?

Again, Antonio Smith went way over the line by using Incognito's helmet as a weapon and should be suspended for it.

b0ng 08-19-2013 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 2195001)
bOng - I am glad you have a Batman hotline to know exactly what the NFL will consider.

Can't come up with anything better than that?

infantrycak 08-19-2013 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by b0ng (Post 2195005)
Can't come up with anything better than that?

I can say I think you are totally overreacting but it won't do any good. So I will stick with chiding people for acting like they know more than they do and you have no idea how the NFL analyzes these situations.

PS - this ref wasn't just in the area and missed the penalty. He was staring right at the incident and had a much better vantage point than we do.

You're getting worked up on this one. Did someone hit you with a helmet as a kid?


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