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Heath Shuler 08-18-2013 03:53 PM

Arian Foster's Week 1 availability in doubt?
 
http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/n...medium=twitter

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John McClain of the Houston Chronicle expressed concern about Arian Foster's (back, calf) Week 1 availability on Twitter Sunday.
"If I'm (coach Gary) Kubiak and Arian Foster has a back injury that's requiring injections and feeling pain in legs, I'm worried about him for opener," wrote McClain. At a Sunday presser, Kubiak revealed Foster's back pain "has gone into his legs," and doctors advised injections to alleviate it. "They tell me these injections take time," said Kubiak. "We're taking our time. ... The running back picture is concerning." Foster has missed every timeline to return to practice the Texans' coaches and medical staff have set in front of him. After three years of overuse, it's fair to wonder if Foster's body is beginning to break down.

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John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL 35m

If I'm Kubiak and Arian Foster has a back injury that's requiring injections and feeling pain in legs, I'm worried about him for opener.
With the info coming from Kubiak and company I never know what to think.

Texn4life 08-18-2013 04:00 PM

Re: Arian Foster's Week 1 availability in doubt?
 
I think its time to get concerned. I'm not worried about him playing during the preseason. I do think his timeline to return to pratice should be sometime next week though so play Week 1. He can practice 1 week and still play, but I think the team should shoot for next week.

CloakNNNdagger 08-18-2013 04:13 PM

Re: Arian Foster's Week 1 availability in doubt?
 
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Originally Posted by Heath Shuler (Post 2194667)
http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/n...medium=twitter






With the info coming from Kubiak and company I never know what to think.

I've been saying all along that I've been suspect of the claims of simple back muscle spasms. Research has not shown that local injections are effective in controlling acute or chronic low back pain that does not spread down the leg. Therefore, I would have to take it that it was not the injections that caused the pain in the legs. And, furthermore, if both legs are involved, you would have to deduct that it is something that affects spinal nerve roots coming out of both sides of the intervertebral spaces. This would have to be caused by a disc-related problem....and his injections were probably not into the muscles, but epidural in target.

http://www.chirogeek.com/Sciatica_Full_Figure1.gif

If this is, indeed, a disc, the safe return to play may not be anytime soon. A recent 2011 study reconfirmed the short-term outcome of conservative treatment in athletes with symptomatic lumbar disc herniation in terms of the ability of the athletes to return to play and factors influencing their return to play after conservative treatment. Of 100 athletes with symptomatic lumbar disc herniation, 79.0% returned to play at an average of 4.8 months (range 1–12 months) after the start of treatment and were able to sustain the activities for at least 6 months. The severity of the symptoms prior to the start of treatment was the only factor influencing the ability of the athletes to return to play. Keep in mind that if injections fail, surgery is the next option.

MEGA SWATT 08-18-2013 04:21 PM

Re: Arian Foster's Week 1 availability in doubt?
 
Wow, MS continues to be an unproven player late in the season, Andre getting to the last few yrs of superstar performance and now Foster's body starting to breakdown. I'm seeing our window of relevance getting smaller and smaller.....:voodoo:

CloakNNNdagger 08-18-2013 04:46 PM

Re: Arian Foster's Week 1 availability in doubt?
 
Hmmm. I thought I heard it right. From the Kubiak press conference.
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(on RB Arian Foster) “Not tomorrow. I’m going to have to make a decision what I’m doing on Tuesday. As of right now, we’ve met with the doctors that have been treating Arian’s back yesterday, right before the game or a couple of hours before the game. It was determined that they want to give it a few more days or whatever that period of time is before they put him back out there. He’s still experiencing some soreness so the decision was made yesterday that he would not return tomorrow.”

Heath Shuler 08-18-2013 04:50 PM

Re: Arian Foster's Week 1 availability in doubt?
 
http://sulia.com/channel/football/f/...source=twitter

#Texans coach Gary Kubiak's quotes on Arian Foster's lingering back injury #NFL



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#Texans coach Gary Kubiak's quotes on Arian Foster's lingering back injury #NFL

Kubiak on when Foster will return: “Not tomorrow. I’m going to have to make a decision what I’m doing on Tuesday. As of right now, we’ve met with the doctors that have been treating Arian’s back yesterday, right before the game or a couple of hours before the game. It was determined that they want to give it a few more days or whatever that period of time is before they put him back out there. He’s still experiencing some soreness so the decision was made yesterday that he would not return tomorrow.”

What is wrong with Foster’s back: “Yeah, he just has some lower back soreness that is bothering him in his legs a little bit. He’s had some injections to try and alleviate some of the soreness and stuff. The way I understand it right now, we’re trying to get through the injection process, that it’s causing some discomfort and it’s something that’s going to take some time for him to get through.”

How concerned he is about Foster being available for San Diego: “I’m not there yet because I see him work. I see what he’s going through. I am concerned about repetitions and that’s just me as a coach. It doesn’t mean I’m right. I just think guys need to get the practice reps, need to get the reps ready to play. We’ve got to do what we’ve got to do. We’ve got to do the smart thing here. We’ve got one back with NFL experience really on our team other than (RB) Deji (Karim) getting a little time last year in Indy. When you look at that big picture right there, boy, the running back picture is concerning to you. Just getting him back healthy and just getting him back to where we feel like we’re at full-strength. We’ll listen, we’ll listen to his doctors, we’ll listen to Kap (Head Athletic Trainer Geoff Kaplan) and, when he’s ready to go, I know Arian can make up a lot of time very quickly. I think tomorrow will be our 27th football practice as a team, so there’s a lot of work ahead.”

Nature of Foster's soreness: “No, it’s my understanding that’s mostly from the injection. He had the injections I think the Thursday or Friday before the first preseason game and they say that these things take some time to work themselves out.”

Concerned about Foster: “No, they’ve done numerous MRIs and everything looks fine. They’re just trying to make sure that he’s comfortable with how he is feeling and where we’re at before we say ‘go.’ You know, the thing about nowadays it’s always a question of when you yank him off the PUP ... "

EllisUnit 08-18-2013 05:05 PM

Re: Arian Foster's Week 1 availability in doubt?
 
Not concerned, Foster will play week 1. I suspect he wont start practicing until after the last pre season game though.

BullBlitz 08-18-2013 05:15 PM

Re: Arian Foster's Week 1 availability in doubt?
 
Concerned. Foster won't play week 1. I think we will see a lot of Tate, but I think Cierre Wood is the better back.

Tailgate 08-18-2013 05:27 PM

Re: Arian Foster's Week 1 availability in doubt?
 
I have a feeling we are going to throw the ball a **** ton this year.

TEXANRED 08-18-2013 05:27 PM

Re: Arian Foster's Week 1 availability in doubt?
 
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Originally Posted by BullBlitz (Post 2194692)
Concerned. Foster won't play week 1. I think we will see a lot of Tate, but I think Cierre Wood is the better back.

Deji Karim is the better back.

CloakNNNdagger 08-18-2013 05:37 PM

Re: Arian Foster's Week 1 availability in doubt?
 
Simple Xylocaine injections into muscles (not discs) are guided by trigger points. With proper placement, there is almost immediate relief of the spasm. Some very mild tenderness (soreness) at the injection site(s) are very typical, but would not be mistaken for continued muscle spasms. I've injected baseball players, basketball players, football players and weight lifters......for classic isolated muscle spasms.......and the aforementioned are the rule. This chronicle of facts and events described by Kubiak remains suspect.

Brisco_County 08-18-2013 05:38 PM

Re: Arian Foster's Week 1 availability in doubt?
 
I have been going to back specialists for 15 years, and I have found that the primary agitator of my lower back pain is improperly managed leg workouts. When I screw up my form doing squats or I over train, the subsequent soreness/stiffness radiates from L5 and L4. Fortunately, it does not result in sciatica, as the muscle spasms tend to travel up rather than down (For the record, working out is not the root cause of my back problems).

My point is that the speculation that Foster is "overused" seems off the mark. He did not have back problems at the end of last season, and he has not played in seven months. What preceded Foster's injury was, as Foster affirmed, the most intense offseason training he has ever subjected himself to. It is clear to me that he loaded up the squat rack, and ran a whole lot, and pushed his limits without allowing enough time to recover.

In other words, this is not an issue of mileage on his body, it is an issue of improper recovery from a possible disc or nerve injury during his offseason training.

SheTexan 08-18-2013 06:05 PM

Re: Arian Foster's Week 1 availability in doubt?
 
Maybe he's finding his MOVIE career more appealing than risking permanent damage to his body. LOVE Arian and wish him well in anything he chooses to do. He's a very smart guy and knows the career of a star RB is very short.

Something about this story just doesn't seem right, to me anyway. He hasn't been practicing so WHY is his back suddenly so bad he has to receive injections, on AUGUST 8th? Why not sooner? Just wondering. Hope our newbie RBs have what it takes, cause I don't see a lot of playing time for our star!

Speedy 08-18-2013 06:27 PM

Re: Arian Foster's Week 1 availability in doubt?
 
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Originally Posted by BullBlitz (Post 2194692)
Concerned. Foster won't play week 1. I think we will see a lot of Tate, but I think Cierre Wood is the better back.

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Originally Posted by TEXANRED (Post 2194697)
Deji Karim is the better back.

Case Keenum is the better back.

Wait, sorry, wrong thread.

amazing80 08-18-2013 08:17 PM

Re: Arian Foster's Week 1 availability in doubt?
 
Ray Graham is our best rb outside of Foster, but why he isn't getting more chances is starting to piss me off.

Texian 08-18-2013 08:36 PM

Re: Arian Foster's Week 1 availability in doubt?
 
I took a lot of abuse last year when I said the Texans made a mistake in giving Foster a long term contract. Instead I said they should have tendered him at $2 million. Texans gave up some good players to sign Foster long term. They would still be better off if they tendered him in 12' and franchised him in 13'. Sorry, it's business.

CloakNNNdagger 08-18-2013 08:37 PM

Re: Arian Foster's Week 1 availability in doubt?
 
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Originally Posted by Brisco_County (Post 2194702)
I have been going to back specialists for 15 years, and I have found that the primary agitator of my lower back pain is improperly managed leg workouts. When I screw up my form doing squats or I over train, the subsequent soreness/stiffness radiates from L5 and L4. Fortunately, it does not result in sciatica, as the muscle spasms tend to travel up rather than down (For the record, working out is not the root cause of my back problems).

My point is that the speculation that Foster is "overused" seems off the mark. He did not have back problems at the end of last season, and he has not played in seven months. What preceded Foster's injury was, as Foster affirmed, the most intense offseason training he has ever subjected himself to. It is clear to me that he loaded up the squat rack, and ran a whole lot, and pushed his limits without allowing enough time to recover.

In other words, this is not an issue of mileage on his body, it is an issue of improper recovery from a possible disc or nerve injury during his offseason training.


Foster was running well in the first week of OTAs. He then was carted off the field after he tore his calf (described as a "severe calf strain") on May 28 and ended up on crutches. Before that, he had no problems with his back. He was then rehabbing for 2 months, which included running. His calf rehab was still not successful. It wasn't until after that his back started giving him problems. It is not uncommon for Grade II or III calf tears to require 2 - 3 months or more, because of ease of re-injury even during rehab. If he was having so much trouble coming back from the tear, you can bet that his core was compensating, especially with attempts to run. When your core is twisted, back muscles and vertebral bones maintain asymmetric positions with compression of the discs and of the spinal nerve roots that pass between the vertebrae and discs. This would easily explain his back problem now.

TexansSeminole 08-18-2013 08:42 PM

Re: Arian Foster's Week 1 availability in doubt?
 
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Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger (Post 2194757)
Foster was running well in the first week of OTAs. He then was carted off the field after he tore his calf (described as a "severe calf strain") on May 28 and ended up on crutches. Before that, he had no problems with his back. He was then rehabbing for 2 months, which included running. His calf rehab was still not successful. It wasn't until after that his back started giving him problems. It is not uncommon for Grade II or III calf tears to require 2 - 3 months or more, because of ease of re-injury even during rehab. If he was having so much trouble coming back from the tear, you can bet that his core was compensating, especially with attempts to run. When your core is twisted, back muscles and vertebral bones maintain asymmetric positions with compression of the discs and of the spinal nerve roots that pass between the vertebrae and discs. This would easily explain his back problem now.

Purely assuming this is the case, what would that mean for Foster this season in the short term (first 4 weeks of regular season) and long-term (full season)?

pirbroke 08-18-2013 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger (Post 2194757)
Foster was running well in the first week of OTAs. He then was carted off the field after he tore his calf (described as a "severe calf strain") on May 28 and ended up on crutches. Before that, he had no problems with his back. He was then rehabbing for 2 months, which included running. His calf rehab was still not successful. It wasn't until after that his back started giving him problems. It is not uncommon for Grade II or III calf tears to require 2 - 3 months or more, because of ease of re-injury even during rehab. If he was having so much trouble coming back from the tear, you can bet that his core was compensating, especially with attempts to run. When your core is twisted, back muscles and vertebral bones maintain asymmetric positions with compression of the discs and of the spinal nerve roots that pass between the vertebrae and discs. This would easily explain his back problem now.

So what your saying is he needs to start sleeping like a bat.

CloakNNNdagger 08-18-2013 09:00 PM

Re: Arian Foster's Week 1 availability in doubt?
 
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Originally Posted by TexansSeminole (Post 2194762)
Purely assuming this is the case, what would that mean for Foster this season in the short term (first 4 weeks of regular season) and long-term (full season)?

The best I can do is refer you to post #3 of this thread where I quote a recent study of "return to play" for lumbar discs treated conservatively. Now that admittedly he is fighting this and a calf rehab (since he was never proven to have completed that, with still a high risk existing for restrain of the same or other calf), it is very unpredictable when he will return. If his conservative treatment of his back is not successful, and he requires surgery (even minimally invasive surgery) it is doubtful that he can return before the end of the season if then. There are so many potential twists to this.....and the Texans are not willing to really clarify them, as exhibited by the information we have gotten about them all along. They have continually told us not to worry.......he'll be back in just a few days.


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