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Playoffs 08-18-2013 01:27 PM

Dustin Keller injury... wow
 
Wow...

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
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Dolphins TE Dustin Keller tore his ACL, MCL, PCL and, as if that weren't enough, dislocated his knee, per source.
Armando Salguero ‏@ArmandoSalguero
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Three torn ligaments and a dislocated kneecap for Dustin Keller. Docs also fear nerve damage. Career is on the line
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Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli
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Swearinger told me last night he got 3 helmet to helmet penalties at S Carolina that cost his team. That's when he taught himself to go low.
Swearinger hopes Keller recovers quickly

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"With the rules in this era you’ve got to hit low," Swearinger said. "If I would have hit him high, I would have gotten a fine. So I think I made the smartest play. I’m sorry it happened and I pray he has a speedy recovery. ... Right now it’s just instinct. You see somebody come across the middle, you gotta go low. You’re going to cost your team 15 yards. You’ve got to play within the rules."
DJ Swearinger ‏@JungleBoi_Swagg
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Everybody pray 4 Dustin Keller....I pray you have a speedy recovery bro...and kill it when you get back.... DEFINITELY wasn't intentional..

EllisUnit 08-18-2013 01:36 PM

Re: Dustin Keller injury... wow
 
well now after this season you will not be allowed to go low anymore either. I wonder if the flags will be team color coordinated or if they will use the generic yellow flags for flag football. But then that would conflict with the refs flags.

Oh well either way i wont be watching :kitten:

EllisUnit 08-18-2013 01:46 PM

Re: Dustin Keller injury... wow
 
http://www.thephins.com/forums/showt...located)/page5

Dolphins calling DJ, dirty. Thats B.S even after he apologized. DJ is right the NFL has made high hits illegal so now days players are taught to tackle low.

htowntexans1985 08-18-2013 01:46 PM

Re: Dustin Keller injury... wow
 
Tania Ganguli @taniaganguli
RT @RapSheet : To add Dustin Keller's
woes (torn ACL, MCL, PCL, dislocated
knee cap), @ArmandoSalguero says docs
fear nerve damage. Scary.


Looked as bad as bad as it sounds. That's what Goodell wanted. Players to go low. Avoid the head. Well Roger, ask Keller where he would have rather got hit last night.

Rey 08-18-2013 01:55 PM

Re: Dustin Keller injury... wow
 
Aaaaaaand that's why guys like to get hit up high.

The problem with the rules that I have is that they penalize for incidental contact instead of blatant head hunting. They don't take into account natural football movement.

So now you're going to have more guys getting hit down low. I don't like to see that for any player.

But instead of reversing and allowing some leeway for defenders you're going to have the league now say you can't take away the legs and now wr's will start to get qb treatment.

Playoffs 08-18-2013 03:10 PM

Re: Dustin Keller injury... wow
 
I think Swaeringer's whiff against the Vikings contributed to it, as well...

Rookie D.J. Swearinger vows to learn from mistake
August 9, 2013

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In the first half, rookie safety D.J. Swearinger missed a tackle, which is rare for him. One reason he was drafted was because of his tackling ability.

“I should have gone for his legs and made the sure tackle instead of trying to blow somebody up,” he said. “I’ll learn from that mistake.”

CloakNNNdagger 08-18-2013 06:21 PM

Re: Dustin Keller injury... wow
 
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Originally Posted by htowntexans1985 (Post 2194582)
Tania Ganguli @taniaganguli
RT @RapSheet : To add Dustin Keller's
woes (torn ACL, MCL, PCL, dislocated
knee cap
), @ArmandoSalguero says docs
fear nerve damage
. Scary.


Looked as bad as bad as it sounds. That's what Goodell wanted. Players to go low. Avoid the head. Well Roger, ask Keller where he would have rather got hit last night.

The knee cap dislocation is the least of all of his problems. As I've mentioned before, you can take for granted knee JOINT dislocation with combined ACL, MCL, and PCL ruptures. And you can also take for granted that there would be significant meniscus tears.

As for the nerve damage. The nerve that is in question is the peroneal nerve, a nerve that lies superficial at the lateral portion of the knee, poorly protected without any overlying cushioning. It can sustain a direct crush injury due to the hard hit to the lateral knee, or can be torn (sometimes in 2) by a shearing caused by knee joint or even patellar (knee cap) dislocation.

http://www.osteoarthritisblog.com/wp.../peroneal1.jpg

If this nerve is damaged, it can cause some areas of lower leg anesthesia (sensory loss)............

http://www.chiro.org/ChiroZine/FULL/...es/mckfig3.jpg

but most worrisome, it can cause "foot drop" [the loss of ability to flex your foot upwards.....a motion that you need just to walk] (motor loss).

fiasco west 08-18-2013 08:05 PM

Re: Dustin Keller injury... wow
 
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Originally Posted by EllisUnit (Post 2194581)
http://www.thephins.com/forums/showt...located)/page5

Dolphins calling DJ, dirty. Thats B.S even after he apologized. DJ is right the NFL has made high hits illegal so now days players are taught to tackle low.

Hopkins was also hurt before that by result of a low tackle as well, I forgot who hit him though but it was a low hit. The only difference is that Hopkins leg was not planted as firmly as Keller's.

At this point I hope Keller is able to play in the NFL again, his injury sounds career threatening. Hate that it happens, but DJ did what so many players do. I hope the NFL doesn't respond next year by saying "You only must wrap up now." would ruin the league IMO.

CloakNNNdagger 08-18-2013 08:46 PM

Re: Dustin Keller injury... wow
 
My main concern about this play is that after the League reviews it, they will come up with Swearinger "leading with the helmet."

thunderkyss 08-18-2013 08:54 PM

Re: Dustin Keller injury... wow
 
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Originally Posted by EllisUnit (Post 2194581)
http://www.thephins.com/forums/showt...located)/page5

Dolphins calling DJ, dirty. Thats B.S even after he apologized. DJ is right the NFL has made high hits illegal so now days players are taught to tackle low.

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Then you're seeing something I'm not... Dustin Keller is in mid air. Swearinger is trying to get him low. He misjudges how low he needs to get. Dustin plants and Swearinger gets him in the knee. As soon as he saw Keller injured, he looked concerned and went over to him.

Swearinger shouldn't have dropped his head. Plain and simple. It's never a good idea to do that. Head up, eyes up, and perhaps this doesn't happen. Bad form? OK. Intentional? Come on...
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Swearinger's hit was legal and clean. I IMO, don't like those type of hits, but it's still a clean hit.
The others are just trying to take care of their guys, just like we would. Remeber the crap we said about the guy that took out Cush? Or what we said about Joe Mays when he popped Schaub?

infantrycak 08-18-2013 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 2194739)
The others are just trying to take care of their guys, just like we would. Remeber the crap we said about the guy that took out Cush? Or what we said about Joe Mays when he popped Schaub?

Both of those were flagged and fined hits, one with a suspension.

IDEXAN 08-18-2013 11:14 PM

Re: Dustin Keller injury... wow
 
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Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 2194739)
The others are just trying to take care of their guys, just like we would. Remeber the crap we said about the guy that took out Cush? Or what we said about Joe Mays when he popped Schaub?

Of course there's a different set of rules for blocking vs tackling.

GlassHalfFull 08-18-2013 11:33 PM

Re: Dustin Keller injury... wow
 
I made this comment today while watching the replay. Basically, we talk about what a guy should or shouldn't have done. It isn't like they have time to run thru a multiple possibility scenario before acting. It is a split second, instinct decision. Training and muscle memory come into play. Ascribing motives is a bit much in this situation.

ArlingtonTexan 08-19-2013 01:17 AM

Re: Dustin Keller injury... wow
 
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Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger (Post 2194695)
The knee cap dislocation is the least of all of his problems. As I've mentioned before, you can take for granted knee JOINT dislocation with combined ACL, MCL, and PCL ruptures. And you can also take for granted that there would be significant meniscus tears.

As for the nerve damage. The nerve that is in question is the peroneal nerve, a nerve that lies superficial at the lateral portion of the knee, poorly protected without any overlying cushioning. It can sustain a direct crush injury due to the hard hit to the lateral knee, or can be torn (sometimes in 2) by a shearing caused by knee joint or even patellar (knee cap) dislocation.

http://www.osteoarthritisblog.com/wp.../peroneal1.jpg

If this nerve is damaged, it can cause some areas of lower leg anesthesia (sensory loss)............

http://www.chiro.org/ChiroZine/FULL/...es/mckfig3.jpg

but most worrisome, it can cause "foot drop" [the loss of ability to flex your foot upwards.....a motion that you need just to walk] (motor loss).

If I am reading you correctly, keller could not only have his career over, but there is a (negative) realistic chance that he won't walk correctly

CloakNNNdagger 08-19-2013 09:31 AM

Re: Dustin Keller injury... wow
 
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Originally Posted by ArlingtonTexan (Post 2194834)
If I am reading you correctly, keller could not only have his career over, but there is a (negative) realistic chance that he won't walk correctly

If the nerve were only bruised or only stretched, he still has a good chance of having the nerve "go to sleep" with loss of varying function for as long as 1-2 years to fully rehab........some do not return full function. If this injury resulted in true crushing or tearing apart of the nerve with or without the decision to surgically repair, you can expect the potential of much lesser return to no functional return, as determined at the 2 year mark. Either way, this part of the injury could easily be devastating to a football player's career....and possibly change his out-of-sport life forever.

Lucky 08-19-2013 09:38 AM

Re: Dustin Keller injury... wow
 
Has there ever been a study regarding career ending injuries by position played? I know RBs have a short shelf life. QBs a lengthy career. Wonder what the numbers are for offensive vs. defensive players?

CloakNNNdagger 08-19-2013 01:21 PM

Re: Dustin Keller injury... wow
 
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Originally Posted by Lucky (Post 2194882)
Has there ever been a study regarding career ending injuries by position played? I know RBs have a short shelf life. QBs a lengthy career. Wonder what the numbers are for offensive vs. defensive players?

No! only return to play studies, such as ACL studies showing 20% no return, etc., and isolated lists of players from various sources..........but not compilation data that I am aware of.

CloakNNNdagger 08-19-2013 01:26 PM

Re: Dustin Keller injury... wow
 
Feel very bad for this young man, as he had an injury-filled 2012 season dealing with hamstrings and a severe high ankle sprain. He refused a multi year deal with the Dolphins in lieu of his 1 year deal because he felt he was worth more and wanted to prove his worth this year, playing for a better contract. He definitely demonstrated some great chemistry with Tannehill.

Playoffs 08-20-2013 10:36 AM

Re: Dustin Keller injury... wow
 
Brian Hartline: Swearinger's excuse on Keller hit was 'crap'

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Dolphins right tackle Tyson Clabo was critical of the Texans rookie after Houston's 24-17 win, and Miami receiver Brian Hartline isn't buying what Swearinger is selling, either.

"Crap. I mean, I think that, me personally ... (what) you're telling me is 'Oh, I'm still worried about going high or hurting the head,'" Hartline told WQAM-AM on Tuesday.

"So you consciously went low then, is what you're trying to tell me," Hartline said. "... I'm not a defensive player. So I don't sit here and assume right off the bat. But what I do know is that I have a lot of good pros on my team and, from what they have said to me, is that (there) is no place for that in the game today."...

HJam72 08-20-2013 10:55 AM

Re: Dustin Keller injury... wow
 
1. Don't hit them in the helmet.

2. Don't hit them at or below knees.

New coaching technique: Aim for the GROIN. :kubepalm:


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